Anyone else pissed off at their car for not having ABS

[Aves]

My SE-R doesn't have ABS and it's taken some getting used to but it's not that bad IMO.

 

[nakedfrog]

Nah, it doesn't bother me one bit.

 

[Jpark]

I don't have ABS or air bags but I drive a jeep so it's ok.

I'm not really a big fan of ABS brakes, watch Die Hard with a Vengence and that will tell you why.

 

[SuperSix]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
damn pos..with its need-to-be-replaced breaks:|

Damn thing makes me pump the brakes and such all the time.

I realize that it really isn't made for stopping from 50 to 0 in 20ft, but damn, pumping the brakes is annoying as hell:|

Pumping the brakes has nothing to do with whether it has ABS or not - they simply need to be repaired.

And if it WAS ABS - it would more than likely be MUCH more expensive to repair.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: cjgallen
If you're pumping your brakes "all the time," you're either tailgating way to much, or your brakes need to be bled.

Yeah..that's what I am going to do

Having air in the brake lines will make it feel spongy, that's when you need them bled. If you're locking up your brakes this easily you some other issue. It's either mechanical or you have a twitch leg that spasms into the firewall when you brake the car.

 

[TwoBills]

Half you people don't know what ABS is, but that won't stop you from discussing it.

I'm a very "cough" assertive driver, have been for 40 years, and am now driving my 1st vehicle w/ABS. Didn't think I'd like it since I'm a bit of a minimalist, but that system is great. Doesn't cost any more when you do a normal brake job, either.

Just to put things in perspective: When I was 23 I was driving a Boss 302. So I know where a lot of you are coming from. See ya in my rear view.

Goosemaster: As others have said, bleed your brakes. That should take care of the problem.

 

[alkemyst]

I have no idea how to reply to a lot here, seems not many understand the issues they are talking about here, namely ABS.

First no all systems are equal. ABS has improved as a whole especially in the last five years, and for the most part the best bet for most. If you are mostly commuting and driving normally, it's going to help alot, it would help me a lot 90% of the time.

However; ABS will lock up still (a split second)...the main problem is it also 'lets go'. In a transition motion having it get confused with what you are trying to do can put you in to a spin or runoff.

That is the main problem those that race around have with ABS.

Now with brakes locking up on a touch of the pedal...that is a whole other set of issues....more than likely if it's just a touch, there is a brake malfunction....

If it's under stopping conditions with moderate pedal pressure, probably just suck tires. Tires and brakes go hand in hand. It's common to see cars under-tired for their purposes (this having to do with compound and tread design mostly rather than width)

Maintenance of an ABS system as far as normal pad, rotor service, and the like should be the same in cost of a non-ABS system, however; ABS systems also have more points of possible failure. You have wheel speed sensors, sometimes speciality components, a computer, a valve body system to control the pulses, etc. Some of these modules and devices are very expensive.

Most of the people I talk with on ABS and how it's the deebil are the very one's that would benefit the most (and their vehicles already have it anyway). Normal driving individuals.

 

[AMDZen]

My '99 Civic Si doesn't have ABS and I wouldn't have it any other way. My car will stop faster then most car's on the road, and wouldn't brake as good if it had ABS. ABS is only good on gravel, or snow.

For people that actually know how to drive, most of them will say they prefer not to have ABS. ABS is designed to be easy, for the every day person. ABS is like AOL is for computer users.

 

[apoppin]

ABS is for people who don't know how to drive.
:roll:

:thumbsdown:

and NO - i won't read the rest of this thread
(MOST of the posters here have no clue how to drive)
:disgust:

 

[wbresson]

pulled the fuse to turn off abs

 

I've had cars with and without ABS.
I don't really care either which way. Sometimes the ABS kicks in when I'm braking and I hit a pot hole that causes the tire to lose contact with the road.

My '99 Civic Si doesn't have ABS and I wouldn't have it any other way. My car will stop faster then most car's on the road, and wouldn't brake as good if it had ABS. ABS is only good on gravel, or snow.

Do you ever stop with your mindless spewing of misinformation? Your statement goes against what all credible sources claim. In fact all the sources claim the exact opposite of what you do.

 

[Toasthead]

no abs...but I dont care.

 

[I Saw OJ]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I would actually be annoyed if my car came with it. ABS doesn't belong on a sports car.

Miata...sports car...???

somethings not right here....


seth

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
My '99 Civic Si doesn't have ABS and I wouldn't have it any other way. My car will stop faster then most car's on the road, and wouldn't brake as good if it had ABS. ABS is only good on gravel, or snow.

For people that actually know how to drive, most of them will say they prefer not to have ABS. ABS is designed to be easy, for the every day person. ABS is like AOL is for computer users.

So many studies that have tested identical cars with the only difference being ABS vs. non ABS say the opposite..

It is also funny that you mention gravel and snow because locking the tires (non ABS) will help you stop faster by building a wedge in front of the tires which is one of the only places where non abs stops quicker. It doesn't however provide the minimal steering benefits. Non abs will stop you quicker in both. Hopefully you don't need to steer though.

The only reason non ABS is desirable is to be able to lock the tires. It provides no real stopping benefit when you compare apples to apples.

 

[StageLeft]

I wish my 97 had it. I like ABS, even if it is the bane of existence for internet racers who drive a four cylinder mustang.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: AMDZen
My '99 Civic Si doesn't have ABS and I wouldn't have it any other way. My car will stop faster then most car's on the road, and wouldn't brake as good if it had ABS. ABS is only good on gravel, or snow.

For people that actually know how to drive, most of them will say they prefer not to have ABS. ABS is designed to be easy, for the every day person. ABS is like AOL is for computer users.

So many studies that have tested identical cars with the only difference being ABS vs. non ABS say the opposite..

It is also funny that you mention gravel and snow because in many cases locking the tires (non ABS) will help you stop faster by building a wedge in front of the tires. It doesn't however provide the minimal steering benefits.

The only reason non ABS is desirable is to be able to lock the tires. It provides no real stopping benefit when you compare apples to apples.

Both above posters have no clue. ABS is the fastest way 9 times out of 10 to stop in a straight line....ABS is the most reliable in MOST panic stops....ABS is bad when using brakes in hard cornering with either many transitions, uneven roads, or loose roads...end of story.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: AMDZen
My '99 Civic Si doesn't have ABS and I wouldn't have it any other way. My car will stop faster then most car's on the road, and wouldn't brake as good if it had ABS. ABS is only good on gravel, or snow.

For people that actually know how to drive, most of them will say they prefer not to have ABS. ABS is designed to be easy, for the every day person. ABS is like AOL is for computer users.

So many studies that have tested identical cars with the only difference being ABS vs. non ABS say the opposite..

It is also funny that you mention gravel and snow because in many cases locking the tires (non ABS) will help you stop faster by building a wedge in front of the tires. It doesn't however provide the minimal steering benefits.

The only reason non ABS is desirable is to be able to lock the tires. It provides no real stopping benefit when you compare apples to apples.

Both above posters have no clue. ABS is the fastest way 9 times out of 10 to stop in a straight line....ABS is the most reliable in MOST panic stops....ABS is bad when using brakes in hard cornering with either many transitions, uneven roads, or loose roads...end of story.

WTF are you talking about? That is what I just said.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
WTF are you talking about? That is what I just said.

You also said: "The only reason non ABS is desirable is to be able to lock the tires."

:roll:

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
WTF are you talking about? That is what I just said.

You also said: "The only reason non ABS is desirable is to be able to lock the tires."

:roll:

Ummmm....that is what I use it for. It is nice too be able to break traction in some instances. What other reasons are there? Every reliable source that has compared apples to apples says that ABS stops quicker while adding the ability to steer. The only time you are going to stop quicker for the most part with non abs is when locking the brakes in snow (not hard packed) or gravel at the cost of losing steering ability.

 

[funboy6942]

I am having a brain fart and cant remember the name but a insurance agency did a study on car crashes between cars equipped with abs and thoes without. It came out that it wouldnt of mattered in a crash if you had it becuase the outcome would of been the same.

I personally hate abs. Just another computerized pos taking controll o fmy car. I know how to hadle my car and pump the brakes when they lock up. when I have had a car with abs it kinds made me freak out and less alert because of what is was doing.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Nope. Not pissed. Actually happy not to have ABS.
This is me:===>

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: funboy42
I am having a brain fart and cant remember the name but a insurance agency did a study on car crashes between cars equipped with abs and thoes without. It came out that it wouldnt of mattered in a crash if you had it becuase the outcome would of been the same.

I personally hate abs. Just another computerized pos taking controll o fmy car. I know how to hadle my car and pump the brakes when they lock up. when I have had a car with abs it kinds made me freak out and less alert because of what is was doing.

Wouldn't that be a little skewed as they were studying accidents that happened (the way it sounds).

I think you are talking about the NHSTA study although other studies have found different results:
http://www.abs-education.org/news/nwstudy.htm

 

[Nomada]

ABS is a retard mechanism. That's why it's optional on most imports. It will hinder your stopping power in many situations; ie: headed for a tree with a ditch in between. That's what I believe. I've known a few people to deliberately cut the ABS wire. It's nothing more than false security.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: PHiuR
what do you drive...
i had a 90' MX-6 and it diddnt have ABS but i also tried not to stop too quickly either, had no problems with my brakes.

1990 Honda accord..

i have a 91, and it's my opinion that the front/rear brake balance is off on these cars. the rears lock up really early. i wish mine had ABS, too. i've had to pump more times than i'd care to, and before i learned to pump properly during panic stops i even had a (extremely minor) rear-ender. when you're a kid you think you're the greatest driver, but when the sh!t hits the fan, experience is the only thing that will save your butt.

 

[cavemanmoron]

i dont like abs