Anyone else notice this?

[Bateluer]

Prior to Steve Job's crusade against Adobe and Flash, everybody had Flash installed on their PCs, for every browser. And used it every single time they surfed the web. And they clamored for Flash support on their smart phones.

Suddenly, after Job's attacks against Flash, there's a large percentage of people who spontaneously hate Flash and refuse to install it at all, going so far as to attack Google, Verizon, Adobe, etc, for enabling it on Android and WebOS devices.

Coincidence or just part of the Cult of Jobs?

 

[Mike Gayner]

All of this has exactly nothing to do with Apple or Steve Jobs. Also, people have hated Flash for a long time now.

 

[Bateluer]

All of this has exactly nothing to do with Apple or Steve Jobs. Also, people have hated Flash for a long time now.

They weren't vocal at all until Jobs became vocal.

 

[cheezy321]

It is totally what you think it is.

 

[Mike Gayner]

They weren't vocal at all until Jobs became vocal.

I disagree.

 

[theflyingpig]

Apple innovates and moves on from decaying technologies. That is why their products are superior. They set standards with each new generation of their products. Everyone knows this.

 

[Bateluer]

Apple innovates and . . .

Must be why their latest and greatest gadget only manages to achieve parity with its competitors . . . competitors who already have better products coming in a few months.

 

[theflyingpig]

Must be why their latest and greatest gadget only manages to achieve parity with its competitors . . . competitors who already have better products coming in a few months.

lol. Yeah, yeah, there are better music players than the iPod, but you know what everyone wants? An iPod. There are phones with more features than the iPhone, but guess what everyone wants? An iPhone. Theres more to technology than just hardware specs. Everyone knows this.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Apple innovates and moves on from decaying technologies. That is why their products are superior. They set standards with each new generation of their products. Everyone knows this.

Flash improves with every release.

This whole thing is kind of frustrating to me because while I'm not at all a fan of Flash, I find myself defending it because I don't think people are particularly fair to the technology. Yes, there's a lot of bad Flash software out there. But I could go and write some pile of shit software in C# or Javascript or Java or C and it would be completely unfair to blame the technology for my shitty software. Flash, in recent years, has become a fairly robust technology with a bad reputation earned in the early days. Java suffers from a similar problem.

Now if we want to talk about objectively bad technology, look no further than Apple. Their flagship language, Objective-C, is years behind other modern programming languages in terms of features, and performance doesn't reflect the degree of difficulty of using the language (there is often a correlation). Obj-C is less expressive than modern scripting languages, slower than modern programming languages, lacks the advanced memory management of other sandboxed runtime environments and lacks things like functional features that are finding their way into some modern OO languages now. FFS they only just got generics! (Edit - just read Obj-C still doesn't have generics, My bad )

And don't even get me started on Xcode Compared to other flagship IDEs it's a bad joke.

 

[Maximilian]

If microsoft got their act together and made the zunes UI as good as the ipods and ditched that pos zune software for something everyone is familiar with (windows media player) then they might have a chance. Also the name zune sucks. They can beat apple, windows 7's UI imo is better than OSX's and its far more customizable, they just need to apply this to their other products.

 

[Jeff7]

Flash is alright - when used properly. Websites that are nothing but Flash deserve deletion and proper rewriting. And then there are ridiculously complex ads (which sneak through my numerous filters) that'll bring a 6-core processor to its knees.

 

[Anubis]

They weren't vocal at all until Jobs became vocal.

ive vocally hated flash on these forums for the better part of a decade

 

[Crusty]

If microsoft got their act together and made the zunes UI as good as the ipods and ditched that pos zune software for something everyone is familiar with (windows media player) then they might have a chance. Also the name zune sucks. They can beat apple, windows 7's UI imo is better than OSX's and its far more customizable, they just need to apply this to their other products.

The Zune software IS Windows Media Player, it has just been re skinned. If you want to play your DRM protected files from the Zune Marketplace you are playing them with Windows Media Player.

 

[lxskllr]

Flash is a pig, and I'd love to see a new standard, but I expect my devices to support it because of Flash's prevalence on the web. Any web device that doesn't support Flash is unsuitable for the given task.

 

[AMCRambler]

Apple innovates and moves on from decaying technologies. That is why their products are superior. They set standards with each new generation of their products. Everyone knows this.

Yeah like Quicktime. Boy did that catch on big. ::eye roll::

 

[gorcorps]

Just because you didn't pay attention to the Flash haters before Jobs said something doesn't mean there weren't Flash haters... it just means you were ignorant. There were PLENTY of threads just on these forums talking about how bad flash would be on a phone long before Jobs said anything. Pay more attention, and stop thinking Jobs has this much affect on anybody's thought process.

 

[gorcorps]

Yeah like Quicktime. Boy did that catch on big. ::eye roll::

Obvious troll is obvious... you're not supposed to take that guy seriously

everyone knows this

 

[gophins72]

thanks for the info, i now hate adobe and flash

 

[Maximilian]

The Zune software IS Windows Media Player, it has just been re skinned. If you want to play your DRM protected files from the Zune Marketplace you are playing them with Windows Media Player.

No its not, its another POS you have to install, windows media player dosent work with the zune.

Yeah it might be windows media player under the hood.... but what use is that?! I want to use the actual windows media player not some reskinned dumbed down version of it.

 

[Mahaguru]

People have hated flash for a long time? I for one loved the flash videos when Youtube and similar website kicked off the trend. No more lame media player or quicktime starting up, buffering and slowing stuff down.

 

[Patranus]

Click-To-Flash for the win.

 

[mrjminer]

I've always hated flash in certain cases. Basically, when people use flash for something that could be done with a .gif file, css, or javascript, I hate it. There's simply no need to invoke the overhead of flash in many of the instance where people used it. Within the past couple of years, I've been seeing a lot less flash for things it shouldn't be used for, which is good.

Every once in a while though, I still run across some company using a website based entirely in Flash, and it really, really, pisses me off. So... I hate and have always hated Flash when a person / company uses Flash unnecessarily or when they severely overuse it.

Nobody agrees with Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs agrees with anyone that hasn't been an idiot for the past 10 years. He falls under the "has been an idiot for the past 10 years" category. He also falls under the "is still an idiot" category since his reason for hating Flash is due to his own company's failure to produce something competitive in that sector, not for any valid reason.

My only other complaint with Flash is that it tends to have memory leak issues, but those problems appear to be related to Adobe's updating programs, rather than Flash itself.