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Anyone else not really care about Haiti?

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I feel about the same. Nobody cared much about this country before, and it was already a shithole. Why should a natural disaster garner so much attention and help when nobody gave a shit about it before? I'd much rather help my own country with my money.
 
Nik said:
He's basically saying that 9 out of 10 homeless folks are homeless by choice and are somehow living lavishly anyway, that they can just wave a magic wand and not be homeless. Anyone who's ever BEEN homeless would dispute this. I should know.
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He was hardly implying that the homeless are living lavishly, or that they're homeless by choice. What he's saying is that many of the homeless are homeless BECAUSE of choices they have made (alcoholism, drug abuse, etc.), which is a fact. Pepsei was simply saying that the homeless in the US do have programs that exist to take care of them, they can get food, they can get medical attention, there are programs that exist to help them out of their situation. Are these programs perfect? No, of course, not, but they do exit. In contrast to Haiti, that was a shithole before the earthquake and is now an absolute hell hole after it. These are facts that are not disputable even with your "nuh uh" argument.
 
Well, we all knew that Zeus never did care all that much for humans anyway...at least in a fashion more than as breeding ovens for his divine spawn.

Seriously, why not just shove a lightning bolt up Haiti's ass so we can all move along?
 
zinfamous said:
Well, we all knew that Zeus never did care all that much for humans anyway...at least in a fashion more than as breeding ovens for his divine spawn.

Seriously, why not just shove a lightning bolt up Haiti's ass so we can all move along?
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Isn't that pretty much what happened? :hmm:

KT
 
Nik said:
Link to back up your numbers?

They're still fuckheads for saving only a few lives once out of guilt or a desire to gain a certain public reputation when they can be saving and changing lives every day with the same amount of money donated locally.
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By this standard, progress has been significant, with the
number of deaths among children under 5 years old reduced
from 12.5 million in 1990 to less than 9 million in 2008,
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http://www.unicef.org/rightsite/sowc/pdfs/SOWC_Spec Ed_CRC_Main Report_EN_090409.pdf

Good news, were down from 34,000 deaths per day to 24,000. Bad news, I assumed 24,000 was for all children, but it is just those under 5.


Considers it intolerable that there are around 815 million undernourished people in the world and that every year 36 million people die, directly or indirectly, as a result of hunger and nutritional deficiencies, most of them women and children, particularly in developing countries, in a world that already produces enough food to feed the whole global population
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http://ap.ohchr.org/documents/E/CHR/resolutions/E-CN_4-RES-2002-25.doc

Undernourishment and deficiencies in essential vitamins and minerals cost more than 5 million children their lives every year
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http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/y5650e/y5650e00.htm

I also tried to compare Haiti to the US, in terms of number of people in extreme poverty, but it appears that the world health organization does not collect data on that for the US. But, if you are interested, this is a great place to start looking http://www.who.int/whosis/en/

In the United States, the Child Mortality Rate Under 5 is at 8, putting us in 157th place. Haiti is at 72, in 48th place. The Child Mortality Rate Under 5 is for all deaths according to the WHO. Canada, Great Britain and Australia are all at a rate of 6. The US could do a little better, but we are really close to the lowest number already.
 
daishi5 said:
http://www.unicef.org/rightsite/sowc/pdfs/SOWC_Spec Ed_CRC_Main Report_EN_090409.pdf

Good news, were down from 34,000 deaths per day to 24,000. Bad news, I assumed 24,000 was for all children, but it is just those under 5.




http://ap.ohchr.org/documents/E/CHR/resolutions/E-CN_4-RES-2002-25.doc



http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/y5650e/y5650e00.htm

I also tried to compare Haiti to the US, in terms of number of people in extreme poverty, but it appears that the world health organization does not collect data on that for the US. But, if you are interested, this is a great place to start looking http://www.who.int/whosis/en/

In the United States, the Child Mortality Rate Under 5 is at 8, putting us in 157th place. Haiti is at 72, in 48th place. The Child Mortality Rate Under 5 is for all deaths according to the WHO. Canada, Great Britain and Australia are all at a rate of 6. The US could do a little better, but we are really close to the lowest number already.
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Good info. All the more reason to focus on ourselves than some other country.
 
Obviously, this is a very emotional event given the number of lives lost and the amount of devastation that occurred...

However, in looking back at Haiti before the earthquake took place, you have to wonder at what point do you say that you have tried everything you could to help them and yet nothing changes over there?

They have received over $4 Billion of foreign aid since 1990 and yet have nothing to show for it. How much could they have improved their infrastructure to be able handle the hurricanes and this earthquake if that money was used properly? Buildings could have been built stronger, modern hospitals, emergency rescue teams, equipment, disaster preparedness, evacuation shelters...these are just some things that could have significantly reduced the causality rates during and after the quake.

Instead, the greed and corrupt in power chose to use this money for themselves and not on the Haitian people. In Haiti's capital, over 2 million people live in boxes/shanty towns/etc, a very stark contrast to the presidential palace that we all saw pictures of after it collapsed in the quake.

The US donates over 100 million dollars a year (nearly 50% of their annual budget is comprised of foreign donations from the IMF/World Bank and other countries) and yet we cannot account for any of it. Several attempts to document how previous donations were spent failed because it was too dangerous. And yet the world still continue to send money that never reaches their poor.

We don't know how much help the actual victims are getting right now. God only knows what happens at night there to anyone who was able to get any food, water or supplies during the daytime.

To answer the OP's question, I would like to care more, but until the something drastically changes down there, there is nothing that can be done to help these poor people so it really doesn't matter what we think.

And the top it all off, you have the dimwits that are constantly asking, why does it take an earthquake for the world to start caring about Haiti?
 
Nik said:
I like your .gov site quoting GOVERNMENT based info.
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I provided a link. I am not going to do much more than that since you have provided nothing yet insist everyone else is wrong.

face it, you are a bitter poor person with a racial side to them hoping Obama gives more money to you instead of anyone else.

Why don't you improve your own situation in life instead of being so bitter at everyone elses?
 
im sick of the reporters. ever notice that every time sanjay gupta is sent on an assignment he saves the day by doing emergency brain surgery on someone? and then cnn reports on it over and over again.
 
I think the people who are campainging for Haiti like George Clooney should be made to go over there and live there for a month. Having been there many times on business, the place was a dirty rats nest. I hated to go there. Didn't care for Haiti then and don't care for it now. Sort of like a car accident, people will drive by slowly to look, but they won't stop. Same with Haiti. In this current economy of joblessness and lack of healthcare, how are people donating million for Haiti? Yes, obviously some are rich, but arn't these the same rich people who are complaining about higher taxes? Oh, I forgot, giving money to Haiti is a tax deduction!
 
so basically nothing was proven here. some people care, others don't. end thread.

edit: well i guess we proved that some people care a LOT less than others, and will blowbag day and night to prove it.
 
It kind of depends on what you mean by care. I mean it's only makes biological sense that you don't care about them like you would those in your family, or your friends. You shouldn't feel personally sad, or upset in any way. However I would venture to say that feelings of amazement (at the scale of the disaster), compasion, and shock are all normal and indeed prefered emotions in such a sitiation. I certainly didn't feel anything more than that when 911 happened and I don't think most others did accept those personally involved. That doesn't mean that you have to do something about it but I see it this way, either give money to whoever you think deserves it (be it national or international) or STFU. If you don't want to donate that's fine I don't think it's wrong not to. If you don't give a shit at all that's fine too, like I said it really shouldn't affect you emotionally much beyond feelings of shock and compassion. But I really don't want to hear posts about just how much you don't care. If you really don't feel any compassion at all well that's your problem not mine. I, and I know most others, see most of these disasters and say (but for a fluke of where I was born that would be me). I see nothing different between the "average" Haitian and the average American, the average Canadian, the average anybody.
 
alkemyst said:
Just so you know that $4billion is less than $500 per person scattered over 20 years.
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so what is your point? This money was supposed to 'teach them to fish'....I didnt realize that it was the world's responsiblity to take care of them for the past 20 years. How can that be done if they dont even want to take care of themselves?

Guess you don't have a problem with sending over $100M every year to their warlords and corrupt government officials then...
 
spacejamz said:
so what is your point? This money was supposed to 'teach them to fish'....I didnt realize that it was the world's responsiblity to take care of them for the past 20 years. How can that be done if they dont even want to take care of themselves?

Guess you don't have a problem with sending over $100M every year to their warlords and corrupt government officials then...
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The whole teach them to fish argument has got to be one of the more condescending arguments out there.
 
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