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RockinZ28

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I was into it for a while with tablets and phones, played a lot of games and always loading new roms and apps. Finally just got to me how inferior it all was even for many miniscule tasks compared to a pc.

Still use my Note II extensively as an instrument for making life easier, lite entertainment/media, and of course free unlimited Vzw LTE hotspot. But yea for any kind of real productivity or gaming I switched back to desktop, and a gaming laptop on the road.
 

Ichinisan

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Get a smartphone. Use it. Formulate an opinion based on experience and THEN come post it here.
 

T9D

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I use my phone for calling and texting. That's about it. I'm personally sick of seeing constant articles for every single freaking phone out there. One after another after another after another. I'm still on the original droid phone. I'm actually bummed out because CPU's have really stalled out compared to where they probably would be because they are so determined to make them run cooler and be more power conscience.

I see the portable chips and things being awesome in the future though. But we are in some growth pain areas now. Intel is really ramping up and the giant is about to let loose.

Some day it will be awesome to have your phone so powerful that it can do everything, and all you do is set it next to a monitor and keyboard and mouse and it connects instantly. That will be cool. Right now they suck. But with windows 8 and even better intel chips coming out some of these tablets and phones are getting to be full fledged computers. However we need some kind of outboard video card for games that these phones and tablets can connect to. Then we will be set.

But yeah for now. I'm so sick of the millions of lame updates from each phone we have to hear about. I tried a laptop and also trying to be more mobile but I went back and bought a full desktop the other week. I love it. Wish I never left one.
 

Greenman

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I'm with the OP, couldn't possibly care less about smart phones or any other mobile gadget.
 

Zodiark1593

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I use my phone for calling and texting. That's about it. I'm personally sick of seeing constant articles for every single freaking phone out there. One after another after another after another. I'm still on the original droid phone. I'm actually bummed out because CPU's have really stalled out compared to where they probably would be because they are so determined to make them run cooler and be more power conscience.

I see the portable chips and things being awesome in the future though. But we are in some growth pain areas now. Intel is really ramping up and the giant is about to let loose.

Some day it will be awesome to have your phone so powerful that it can do everything, and all you do is set it next to a monitor and keyboard and mouse and it connects instantly. That will be cool. Right now they suck. But with windows 8 and even better intel chips coming out some of these tablets and phones are getting to be full fledged computers. However we need some kind of outboard video card for games that these phones and tablets can connect to. Then we will be set.

But yeah for now. I'm so sick of the millions of lame updates from each phone we have to hear about. I tried a laptop and also trying to be more mobile but I went back and bought a full desktop the other week. I love it. Wish I never left one.
Wish Intel would push performance on the desktop chips. I'm gonna be mad if smartphones become 1/4th as powerful as that year's desktops simply due to lack of progress on the latter. If that ends up being the case, it would be more efficient to make a server composed of numerous smartphone boards.
 
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phucheneh

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I like things to be 'optimal.' I.e. I will not use a phone for tasks that I am easily able to use a PC for. So I don't much with a phone unless it's a phone call or text. Data is for stuff I need to know right now. And sometimes utter boredom. Not terribly entwined with my life.

But that's from someone who uses a desktop PC daily. I'm sure if you polled people these days, 'I sit down at a desktop PC every day of the week for a reason other than my job' would not be the majority of the smartphone-owner populace. Hell, daily use of a laptop is surely waning, too.

People have always, and will always, value convenience over capability. Yeah, a 'real' computer can do more and is tons easier to use; but I can't carry it around with me. That's pretty much the argument. And while 'your smartphone can't do that or is otherwise a PITA' is not considered a valid argument for PC's (obvious fix: make smartphones do that), 'it won't fit in my pocket' might as well be an absolute and unquestionable damning of desktop computers.
 

MrDudeMan

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Wish Intel would push performance on the desktop chips. I'm gonna be mad if smartphones become 1/4th as powerful as that year's desktops simply due to lack of progress on the latter. If that ends up being the case, it would be more efficient to make a server composed of numerous smartphone boards.

Welcome to microservers. That's actually what I do at work all day (design engineer @ Intel).
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I have a huge honking case stuffed with hardware hooked up to my home theater system, and I'm using it right now. I have a Galaxy Note 2, and a second gen Nexus 7. I use them all but if I have a choice I go for a big screen. What I wish would happen is that similar effort to advance mobile devices would be applied to laptops. I'd love a wide gamut and very high resolution screen combined with powerful hardware for things like photoshop. I should add without breaking the bank.
 

lxskllr

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I'd love a wide gamut and very high resolution screen combined with powerful hardware for things like photoshop. I should add without breaking the bank.

I'd like to have a laptop shell that provided a battery, keyboard, monitor, maybe storage, and the computer is a phone you dock in it. Kind of like the Ubuntu phone they were crowdfunding. The phone could work as a touchpad, and auxiliary display.
 

nsafreak

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I view my mobile devices as nice things to have when I'm away from my main PC or laptop. I have a nice tri-monitor setup at home for all of my heavy duty work & gaming and I could not imagine replacing it with either my S3 or my Nexus 7. And for those folks that use these devices as their primary gaming platform I refuse to call them true gamers anymore, you're now relegated to the status of a casual insofar as I'm concerned. There are some nice games available on tablets & smartphones but they're nowhere near the same level of play as a PC game or even a fair number of console games.
 

Cerb

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If the people running a place can't tell me what something is (the Indian store owners don't know any other names that red chori is called, FI), can Google help? Usually. But that's a 20+ minute round trip + gas. Why do that, when I can look it up right where I am, in the store? So, yeah, it's pretty cool, but also over-hyped, and tons of people that have miniscule minds are greater markets than those that can process information at enough of a pace to want to go Office Space on their mobiles.

I can have maps and a GPS in my pocket, always up to date. That's awesome (I even got a larger phone than I can use for much anything else, just for that to be more convenient to use). Sure, I'm not actually carrying the maps (mostly) and routing program, but it will be up to date, without replacing yet another piece of hardware. A dedicated GPS starts becoming wrong often enough to need replacement after 3-4 years, IME, even if the hardware is fine. New maps typically cost enough, too, that you're better off getting a new one. Or, the battery may be dead by then. If you're already upgrading phones, why not incorporate that into your selection process?

Gaming, however, I simply cannot understand. I can time-waste on a phone, but I'll take a GBA, DS, or PSP, to actually game on the go, TYVM (and maybe a 2DS, soon, since even w/ 3D off, the 3DS' display sucks, and I skipped the DSi). Phones and tablets simply lack good buttons in the right places, tactile feedback is important, and I don't see that changing any time soon, since the primary use-case of a smart phone could make well-placed buttons a reliability problem.

Of course, there's also the problem that there's not a wide variety of new games for mobile platforms that are really good games. Some, yes, but not nearly what Windows, nor any console, has to offer (though there is Nethack for Android and iOS, which counts as 50+ games-worth of available games against any platform w/o good Nethack ports :)). Are there any Android or iOS games, that are not elder ports, FI, that can match a NIS tactics/strategy game, a Megaten, a Harvest Moon, Civilization, or Fire Emblem*? Show me something that can stand up to one of the good Fire Emblem titles (GBA and English DS seriously got shafted, hence the caveat), and I might have to skip work for a few days :).

Likewise, primary web browsing on a mobile device. The screens are just too small, half the mobile sites plain suck, going to the full versions chews up battery and requires lots of scrolling, unless you're using a high-PPI 8.5-10" tablet. It's handy to have, but way too much of a PITA for most web browsing. Yet, if you get a big tablet with a good display at a good price, it's going to be a dog. If you get one that's capable, it's not going to be cheap, yet it's still not going to be as good as a convertible or notebook. Unless someone else is paying for it, I'm not going to be carrying something around, that could easily break if dropped, that costs $1000 or more (they're also really heavy for their size). Great for when what you have one you is all you can use, but not remotely a replacement for better form factors.

I can accurately type around 40 WPM on a typical day with a decent keyboard (old-style Dell Quietkey or better), and nearer 100 on a good day. On-screen, that's more like 5-10, and 10 only with small words, on Android, with the Hacker's Keyboard app. Given that I generally despise text-speak, and wasn't taught how to read a letter at a time, I'm pretty much cursed, as far as that goes. I could probably learn to be quicker with a slide-out keyboard, but I prefer saving the space, since I'm viewing/reading >90% of the time. I also make decent use of a mouse or trackball, and there's just no comparison, even just with basic web browsing, between fiddling around with fingertips and gestures, and having up, down, left, right, pgup, pgdn, spacebar, find a mere ctrl-f away (or in FF, not even that far!), combined with a mouse/trackball in the other hand, and thus being able to start up and minimize one program, then bring up another quicker than I can make a single swipe or pinch, and so on and so forth. My time is valuable to me, and mobile platforms simply do not offer enough efficiency, due mostly to issues of form factor. If I could reasonably be doing something else, or get to a computer to use, it would be 100x faster, so screw the pocket gizmo, when that's an option.

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* I'm largely trying to think of non-puzzle games that wouldn't be hindered by touch and varying devices, to the typical breaking point of being turned into casual games. Those happen to be what I think of, based on my historical playing preferences, but that should not be considered a genre-complete list.
 

jumpncrash

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I have a smartphone with a tactile keyboard, I can't stand touchscreen input. I use ti for making phone calls and sending text messages, also taking pictures and listening to music. I do browse on it occasionally but the screen is so fucking small it's a last resort.

At home I have about 10 PCs for all the various rooms and I use those, never will I willingly use my phone to browse at home, and forget watching movies, why the heck would I do that?

At work nothing can be done through my phone, so desktop PCs there also.
 

Capt Caveman

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Hardly touch my desktop now, I'll remote into it with my laptop downstairs or my smartphone if I'm out of the house. Of course, being to remote into my work system with my smart phone or laptop allows me lots of freedom.
 

Rakehellion

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Whatever I would use an electronic device for? Browsing the web in general, random google searches, shopping, recipes, maps and navigating, finding info on places, restaurants, movie times, hotels, flights, traffic, news and weather. Emails, texts, chat, video and phone calls, any other communication. Videos be it TV shows, movies, sports, and also music (often streamed to TV). Workout logs... just about everything. That's the whole point of the smart phone IMHO.

So...mostly web-based like he suggested.
 

StrangerGuy

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I would rather see more phones and their reviews than how yet another generation of Intel CPU proving an 2008 Nehalem desktop chip isn't obsolete yet for today's stuff.
 

ProchargeMe

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I'm just getting tired of getting stiffed with the bill and being told I would have to pay $300-$400 just to end my contract. Thats 3/4 of a fucking mortgage.
 

CPA

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If my work didn't require me to have a mobile phone, I wouldn't have one.

When I was younger and computers were just starting to hit the average consumer all of this was fascinating to me, but as I grow older, I've come to realize 1) there's just too much out there to keep up with, 2) it gets boring after a while, 3) mobile phones and social sites have made us into a narcissists and most importantly 3) I, more and more, enjoy peace and quiet away from everybody.
 

blasty

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I'm home most of the time, and use either a PC or laptop. I have a cell phone, but not a smartphone. I hardly ever use it. My wife, on the other hand, uses hers daily. She couldn't live without it.

I think smartphones are a neat toy. That's it, just a toy. I guess to the younger generations they are important, like a walkman or 'boom box' was to me in my day (I'm old, but not that old), but I have little need for one. I need the power of a bigger computer. I was (cann't come up with a good description, maybe disappointed?) the other days when I asked a couple of friends if they could get Craigslist on their phones (they have no computer, and live on their phone. She's looking for a job). The girlfriend said she couldn't, but her boyfriend could. What's the use of having a "smart(?)phone" if you cann't even look for a job on Craigslist to make money to buy another, "better(?)" phone? And why pay the outrageous price each month for service?

I think it's laughable, and sad, how the cell phone industry makes a statement to the news media saying that they do not release "new" phones every year that are "better"
than the previous year just to make money (actually saw a story about it on our local news) and then two weeks later release ads saying more or less that you've had your old phone too long, it's time to buy a new one. I think the public in general, with the help of the advertising machine, acts like teenagers, no matter what age they are. If it's new, it's NECESSARY, or so it seems. Remember how we all used to drive around and get lost occasionally, or go to the video or grocery store and make a rental/purchase a family did not like. Now it's hard to find someone who doesn't own a GPS and almost impossible to go in to a video/grocery store and not encounter the insecure shopper on their cellphone.

To me cellphone a just a security blanket, just something to make insecure people feel a little less like peeing their pants. Humanity survived for thousands of years without electricity, let alone cellphones and "smartphones". Work got done, commerce took place, and people lived their lives.

If I need a computer, I'll use one.
 

Ichinisan

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I use my phone for calling and texting. That's about it. I'm personally sick of seeing constant articles for every single freaking phone out there. One after another after another after another. I'm still on the original droid phone. I'm actually bummed out because CPU's have really stalled out compared to where they probably would be because they are so determined to make them run cooler and be more power conscience.

I see the portable chips and things being awesome in the future though. But we are in some growth pain areas now. Intel is really ramping up and the giant is about to let loose.

Some day it will be awesome to have your phone so powerful that it can do everything, and all you do is set it next to a monitor and keyboard and mouse and it connects instantly. That will be cool. Right now they suck. But with windows 8 and even better intel chips coming out some of these tablets and phones are getting to be full fledged computers. However we need some kind of outboard video card for games that these phones and tablets can connect to. Then we will be set.

But yeah for now. I'm so sick of the millions of lame updates from each phone we have to hear about. I tried a laptop and also trying to be more mobile but I went back and bought a full desktop the other week. I love it. Wish I never left one.
A7 is pretty damn fast. At the rate performance has scaled on the iPhone alone, I don't see how you can possibly say it has "stalled."
 

poofyhairguy

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And for those folks that use these devices as their primary gaming platform I refuse to call them true gamers anymore, you're now relegated to the status of a casual insofar as I'm concerned.

Me switching to mobile gaming as my primary platform is the effect of my becoming a casual gamer, not the cause.

The cause is the fact that you can't get a decent modern japanese RPG anymore on non-mobile platforms. Well that and I HATE Call of Duty/Halo and every game that tries to ride that wave (so almost every AAA title in the 360/PS3 generation). As far as I am concerned mainstream gaming has been ruined for years, and mobile devices are a renaissance for the type of games I like.
 
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poofyhairguy

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Phones and tablets simply lack good buttons in the right places, tactile feedback is important, and I don't see that changing any time soon, since the primary use-case of a smart phone could make well-placed buttons a reliability problem.

Gameklip + dualshock. Many mobile games already support a controller. Also works AMAZING for emulating older generations of consoles (like the PSX gen when Japanese RPGs were still king).
 

Doppel

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I don't care to surf the net on a phone, but the iphone is a magical device (any decent smartphone is), offering access to communications and entertainment. They are fantastic! I do prefer surfing the net on a PC.

I hate gaming on an iphone. Crap input, tiny screen. iPad is slightly better but a lot of games (100% of FPS) suck shit with touch screen and I won't bother with them.
 

videogames101

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A7 is pretty damn fast. At the rate performance has scaled on the iPhone alone, I don't see how you can possibly say it has "stalled."

He was referring to the desktop side of things, I believe.

Certainly, the focus on bringing power consumption down has lead to a slow-down in terms of consumer desktop computing.

But beyond that, the interesting things about these usage models for smart-devices is that most of them, apart from gaming, are essentially using the smartphone as a thin-client.

But for my thin-client workloads, it would be quite difficult to work without a mouse and keyboard. I think if any mobile device would work for me, it might be a chromebook. Essentially a smartphone that looks like a laptop that I can use as a thin-client with a full keyboard. But at that point, is it much different than bringing a full laptop?
 

Cerb

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Gameklip + dualshock. Many mobile games already support a controller. Also works AMAZING for emulating older generations of consoles (like the PSX gen when Japanese RPGs were still king).
It might be neat for new games just on mobile, if I buy a PS3 (I might, if they drop in price a bit more, after the PS4 comes out), since it's $60, as is. For old games, if it means carrying around that much extra, I might as well carry a notebook (coincidentally, my notebook briefcase comfortably fits my notebook, a power brick, and a USB gamepad ;)).