Anyone else hate rust?

[Meghan54]

I wonder what it would cost to create a car using a ton more galvanized or stainless steel so that after 5-8 years of being in a rust environment it isn't an auto-headache to work on it. I presume more than it's worth which is why it's not been done.

Galvanized rusts, too. Had a boat trailer that was fully galvanized...nice one. Few trips to the Gulf and rust started, despite washing it off every time. Galvanizing just slows it down, doesn't prevent it.

Stainless is nice, just have to make sure what you're bolting the bolts to/through. Have had stainless bolts and nuts act like they were welded together after, again, visiting the Gulf.

Best bet with stainless bolts is brass nuts. At least that's from my experience, along with more than a couple of other people, when exposing stainless bolts and nuts to salt and water, the combo that does in cars in the Northeast.

 

[JCH13]

Those two little black dots are the hole. I guess I'm lucky in that they're holes and not a crack in the pan. Still annoying though. I let the pan drain overnight, gonna clean the surface with some acetone and they ghetto patch it with JB Marine Weld until I can get the time to replace the pan. Surprisingly, replacing the pan doesn't look too impossible (famous last words). There's one little bracket where the undercover bolts into that I have to remove and after that it looks like clear access to all the fasteners. The only problem (of course) is some fasteners are rusty. Gonna start soaking them in Kroil to try and help things out. Last damn thing I need is one of those to shear off.


Edit:
On further research I have to undo the engine mounts and jack the engine up to get enough clearance to get the rear pan bolts out. WOO!

That's not too bad for an oil pan. My buddy's F350 had the same thing happen, except that there are two options: cut out a frame member, replace the pan, and weld it back in. Or pull the engine.

I would pay $1k for every fastener on my car to be stainless and probably $500 for every fastener to get anti-seized upon initial assembly.

 

[jlee]

Those two little black dots are the hole. I guess I'm lucky in that they're holes and not a crack in the pan. Still annoying though. I let the pan drain overnight, gonna clean the surface with some acetone and they ghetto patch it with JB Marine Weld until I can get the time to replace the pan. Surprisingly, replacing the pan doesn't look too impossible (famous last words). There's one little bracket where the undercover bolts into that I have to remove and after that it looks like clear access to all the fasteners. The only problem (of course) is some fasteners are rusty. Gonna start soaking them in Kroil to try and help things out. Last damn thing I need is one of those to shear off.


Edit:
On further research I have to undo the engine mounts and jack the engine up to get enough clearance to get the rear pan bolts out. WOO!

On my car it made life a LOT easier to remove the front exhaust pipe as well (the one that runs sideways across the front of the oil pan). If your oil pan is that rusty though, I'd be concerned about stripping/breaking the exhaust bolts, which would be quite annoying.

 

[Kaervak]

On my car it made life a LOT easier to remove the front exhaust pipe as well (the one that runs sideways across the front of the oil pan). If your oil pan is that rusty though, I'd be concerned about stripping/breaking the exhaust bolts, which would be quite annoying.

The XT exhaust is different than the XS. There aren't any exhaust pipes running in front of the oil pan, thankfully. That would make this more of a headache than it is. My biggest concern now is the oil pan bolts. Some are very rusty and I'm worried about shearing those off. There's not a ton of room in there to drill them out if they shear. I really don't want this to turn into another "let someone else deal with" problem. Stupid friggin rust.

 

[jlee]

The XT exhaust is different than the XS. There aren't any exhaust pipes running in front of the oil pan, thankfully. That would make this more of a headache than it is. My biggest concern now is the oil pan bolts. Some are very rusty and I'm worried about shearing those off. There's not a ton of room in there to drill them out if they shear. I really don't want this to turn into another "let someone else deal with" problem. Stupid friggin rust.

That would almost make sense..like there's no turbo to worry about, or something.

For the oil pan bolts, personally I would use a small ratchet - if they don't want to come out, use small impacts with the palm of your hand against the ratchet to try to shock them loose. Just increasing torque may snap heads off.

Make sure to have appropriate RTV to re-attach the oil pan too. Also keep in mind that it's not going to want to come off, even when the bolts are all removed - it'll be stuck to the block pretty well.

 

[EightySix Four]

What is rust?

 

[Kaervak]

That would almost make sense..like there's no turbo to worry about, or something.

For the oil pan bolts, personally I would use a small ratchet - if they don't want to come out, use small impacts with the palm of your hand against the ratchet to try to shock them loose. Just increasing torque may snap heads off.

Make sure to have appropriate RTV to re-attach the oil pan too. Also keep in mind that it's not going to want to come off, even when the bolts are all removed - it'll be stuck to the block pretty well.

VF39s are cheap. The lack of turbo can be taken care of quickly if I want to.

I'm definitely going to treat those bolts like they're made of glass. Extreme caution and whatnot. I'm researching everything about pan replacement at subaruforester.org just to be sure I'm not missing anything. Gonna make sure I have the right sealant, and going to order some new pan bolts just in case.

In the mean time, got the pan JB welded. Now just have to wait until tomorrow to let it cure then fill it back up and see what happens. I really hope it holds.

 

[Eli]

The Insight is aluminum. It has some steel parts, namely the exhaust system. But there's no such thing as a rusted out Insight, and there likely never will be.

 

[punjabiplaya]

What is rust?

something yankees have to worry about

 

[wirednuts]

i wish rust were dead