Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Raduque
All you ever hear about is how many people who have broken 360s.
But how many people are like me, who have a launch-day xbox that is still going strong? I play mine all the time, and once even left it on for over a day with the cat blocking the fans, and I haven't had one single tiny issue at all with it.
Two-year old Zephyr Pro, zero problems, and the system gets heavy use between games and NetFlix streaming. "All you ever hear about" usually translates to "some people whined on the Internet and now it's everywhere". They quote that GI poll like it was gospel. GI basically "surveyed close to 5,000 readers and document(ed) their tales of woe". No verification, no real scientific methodology...just ask the readers, and whatever they say counts. But, people accept what "close to 5,000 readers" of GI say as absolute truth that over half of 360s fail. Okay...:roll:
Yes, launch 360s had problems, and Microsoft messed up big time. But, they have since corrected the issues. They have the 3-year RROD warranty, and the newer models have little to no problems.
The Internet...FUD central...:disgust:
I don't try and spread FUD, I was just speaking about people that I personally know with 360's that have had either RRoD or E74 errors. Naturally if you have one of the good units that doesn't fail your opinion of it will be that it's a great unit.
My personal opinion was altered when my co-worker showed me his unit just a few days ago that started getting E74 errors, and my other co-worker who sent in his unit twice. My other friend has one and loves it, and has had zero problems with it so naturally his opinion of the unit is great.
After looking at the design decisions of the PS3 fan module I think that Sony went with the better cooling design than Microsoft. You shouldn't have to mod your unit to make it not have issues, especially when it tells you not to mess with the unit in the instruction manual. Honestly if all of the people I knew that owned a 360 had close to zero problems with it over time, I would have probably picked it up instead simply to be able to play on the same network as my friends.
Microsoft really should have designed the cooling better on the 360, that's all there is to it. Especially in this day and age with advanced computer cooling systems being commonplace; if I was Microsoft I would have put a huge 160mm fan in there, with arctic silver 5 and a better heatsink clamping system. Those changes would only cost a couple bucks more per system and would have drastically cut down on the failure rate.
I wasn't talking about you or anyone in specific, really. My point was basically about these fanbois that come out of the woodwork and scream "54% XBOX 360 FAILURE RATE!!!! LOLZ!!!!" like it was gospel. People who've had 360s fail or who personally know someone who had their 360 fail obviously aren't making up what actually happened.
And yes, Microsoft cut major corners in order to get to the market first. They shouldn't have, but they did, and they got ahead but it cost them a bit too. They've worked to rectify the situation though, and that's more than can be said about most companies (Sony...PS2...Disc Read Error...Class Action Lawsuit...COUGH COUGH!).
I'm not familiar with the disc read error on the PS2, please explain.
Basically, early model "fat" PS2s had a common malfunction where the laser would come out of alignment, and the PS2 would no longer read any discs...only displaying the error "Disc Read Error" or DRE. It was a widespread and widely known issue with early PS2s, and Sony refused to fix it. Eventually, they got served with a class action lawsuit on the issue, and they settled out of court. Even then, after the lawsuit, they still didn't provide the same customer service that Microsoft
initially did with the RROD, because Sony
always charged you for shipping. I know this because that's how I got my PS2 fixed/replaced a few years ago, since it died to the dreaded DREs.
Don't even get me started on launch PSOnes...you know, the ones you had to
turn upside down in order to get them to play a game without skipping or locking up. I don't know if Sony got sued about that one or not, because I traded mine in and got a Saturn. :laugh:
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