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Anyone else enjoy the Repubs squirming on Obamacare replacement?

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Both sides are playing the same fucking game. ( see bolded above in your post )

They most certainly are not. This is another dangerous false equivalence. As I just said in the above post Democrats have said they are open to changes to the ACA. The Republicans have refused to engage them on this.

It's important not to pretend both sides are equally to blame because that just enables the Republicans to do bad things without consequence.
 
They most certainly are not. This is another dangerous false equivalence. As I just said in the above post Democrats have said they are open to changes to the ACA. The Republicans have refused to engage them on this.

It's important not to pretend both sides are equally to blame because that just enables the Republicans to do bad things without consequence.

They are both playing the same game in different ways. The Dems passed the ACA without any input from the Repubs. All of their lies to the people about keeping your Doctor and your Medical Plan. Knowing all the while it was a platform built on a sand foundation. If nothing is done to change it it will go to hell.
 
They most certainly are not. This is another dangerous false equivalence. As I just said in the above post Democrats have said they are open to changes to the ACA. The Republicans have refused to engage them on this.

It's important not to pretend both sides are equally to blame because that just enables the Republicans to do bad things without consequence.

That's exactly why he said it.
 
They are both playing the same game in different ways. The Dems passed the ACA without any input from the Repubs. All of their lies to the people about keeping your Doctor and your Medical Plan. Knowing all the while it was a platform built on a sand foundation. If nothing is done to change it it will go to hell.

1) Again, no nonpartisan analysis I am aware of says it will go to hell. If you have one please link it.

2) The ACA actually incorporates numerous Republican amendments and they spent a ton of time trying to get Republicans to sign on. For political reasons Republicans refused to do so. Attempting to blame democrats for republican partisanship is just enabling further republican partisanship.
 
What the hell makes you think I am here defending the republican Plan?

Something needs to change as the ACA was destined to fail from the offset ( the Dems already knew this ). The Republicans cannot get their shit together which is obvious by the feeble attempt last week to replace the ACA. The Democrats are playing the same game with not being willing to change the ACA to fix it and just saying well the Republicans own it now so the Dems don't or won't give a shit. They are willing to sit back, let it blow up then blame everything on the Republicans.

That's not true. The Dems have absolutely expressed a willingness to fix what needs fixing. An openness to work together to make it happen. It's the working together that's never going to happen (both parties are to blame for that). There are few people who think ACA doesn't need improvement, Obama included but they are very likely to allow party loyalty to be the only defeating obstacle. Sounds like the Republican Representatives intend to stand in the way even if good ideas are presented.
 
^^

Let me attempt to meet your standards and respond in a way that won't cause you to label me as a "troll"

The OP says.."Anyone else enjoy the Repubs squirming on Obamacare replacement?"

No. I'm not a Republican. I am part of the organization that has placed Trump in power. No squirming here. Just a march to victory as we work our strategy - pulling all America back into line.

We play chess while you play checkers.

White supremacists are generally too fucking stupid to understand chess so I call bullshit.
 
They are both playing the same game in different ways. The Dems passed the ACA without any input from the Repubs. All of their lies to the people about keeping your Doctor and your Medical Plan. Knowing all the while it was a platform built on a sand foundation. If nothing is done to change it it will go to hell.

I would love to see a group of moderate Ds & Rs come together with some incremental fixes. Bring good ideas together but start with the presumption that we will not decrease the amount of insured and we will bring down cost of something whether its premiums or deductibles or prescriptions. We also will present the good and not nit pick small details/help each other defend any changes come election time.
 
You should want to be better than that. Just a suggestion, do with it what you will.

Problem is, he can't be, even if he wanted to....but then again, he doesn't want to be anything but a foul mouthed three year old, you know, to more emulate his god Trump.
 
Problem is, he can't be, even if he wanted to....but then again, he doesn't want to be anything but a foul mouthed three year old, you know, to more emulate his god Trump.
That's likely true but it's still worth a try every now and again to draw someone away from opting to be their lower self. You are correct, if someone does not recognize their behavior as base but see it instead as exhibiting their higher self there's rarely anything to be done about it. Still, I enjoy challenging people to challenge themselves.
 
The new Republican "plan" after the Trumpcare debacle is to have Obamacare "explode" on their watch and point fingers. This is the state of the modern day Republican party and the conservative movement, both of which belong on the ash heap of history.
 
And now for a few words about how it is already obvious that Trump is a much less effective political leader than Obama was. 1/

In light of this tweet, let's discuss the abject failures of leadership that led to the failure of the AHCA https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/845974102619906048 … 2/

I don't think the AHCA was worth passing, but if Trump did, he did a terrible job of seeing that it happened. 3/

Let's recall the work that went into the passage of Obamacare. It was a process that took nine months of intra-party wrangling. 4/

Obama was in regular contact with his own party's congressional leadership and engaged in a full-court PR press to sell the bill. 5/

A process which began long before the bill was even conceived. 6/

An important element of this was that Obama did not act like a jackass every single day on Twitter and immediately tank his approval 7/

Thus, his campaigning, particularly with members of his own party, actually worked. His own party cared about crossing him. 8/

Now let's contrast this with Trump's, uh, "efforts," if you wish to call them that, to ensure passage of the AHCA. 9/

First, he doomed the whole effort by setting up wildly unrealistic expectations - we will repeal "immediately," it will be "very easy" 10/

Then, he refused to participate even a little bit in the drafting of the bill, even to provide input on thematic elements. 11/

Once the bill was drafted, he failed to educate himself at all on what was even contained in the bill. 12/

The entire time, he undercut House leadership's messaging on the bill and sent dramatically inconsistent messages in the press. 13/

During the fight over the bill he did almost no work to convince the public of the need for its passage. No major speeches, no townhalls 14/

He did, however, play a lot of golf, so he had that in common with Obama. 15/

During the debate over Obamacare, Obama personally cajoled, threatened, and bribed (Nelson-NE) his own caucus to keep them on board. 16/

Obama stuck with the bill even after a necessary vote in the Senate (Kennedy) DIED, making a conference committee impossible. 17/

Trump walked away after the bill had been debated for about two weeks and he personally had been involved for about 3 days. 18/

In short, the amount of effort he put forth was pathetic and his tactics were ill-suited to work with elected officials 19/

Most importantly, he has no political capital to make people afraid of him because his OTHER unforced errors made him unpopular 20/

Unforced errors, by the way, that have had nothing to do with advancing his agenda but rather with protecting his infantile ego 21/

Again, the AHCA's failure is a good thing. But if you disagree with that, nearly 100% of the failure lies with Trump. 22/

The idiotic rants of Jeanine Pirro and Sean Hannity aside, Congressmen are not serfs. Trump isn't Kim Jong Un. Leaders understand this. 23/

- Arch-conservative Leon W.
 
In a lot of areas of the country it is already on its last leg. Only one provider or in some areas none.

And where is the exactly? The areas who fought tooth and nail not to implement anything? Looks like a lot of deep red states

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What about the ones who refused to even accept the Medicaid expansion? Let's look at those States see if there are any patterns...
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Not a perfect 1:1, but I'm not feeling terribly sympathetic when much of the same ppl complaining didn't even try to make it work.

Fact is, it is working elsewhere. It's not impossible.
But like much in life, garbage in, garbage out.

At this point you are just hurting yourselves. It may not be everyone's preferred option, but it's the one we've got and the likelihood of getting something magical that pleases everyone, works great and costs little is next to 0.

Actually try to build something rather than just blow stuff up for political gain.
 
Heeeeeeh, I have to say, everytime I turn my head to think about US politics I get an instant unvolontary giggle reflex.. cause trumpcare exploits.. its so damn funny if it wasnt so sad too.. but I just have to laugh a little bit.. just a little bit... Dam son. W the actual F.
 
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