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MongGrel

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I still use one of my wifes cheapo hand me down phones for communicating.

Never have had a mobile device other than that really, still have three desktops in the house that I use two of most the time.

I really never have done the mobile thing much.
 
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Zodiark1593

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Went from an old Optimus 2x to my G2, a massive nuke-style upgrade. Haven't really desired anything more really. Even the more demanding of games run just fine and battery life is stellar. The only thing it really falls behind in is benchmarks, and perhaps a bit in the RAM department.
 

Techie14

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Maybe the next Iphone is not exciting as it was 4 years back in time. But I see very exciting things on the wearables market coming in the future. Just think what will be possible with those cheap sensors everywhere on your body. Virtual Reality is so close and will change things beyond our imagination. Or maybe just take a look at this brain-washing wearable and imagine what could be possible :) http://fitnesstracker24.com/muse-headband-review-a-smart-meditation-wearable
 

dainthomas

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Yeah, having the entire sum of human knowledge to date in my pocket sure is boring.

You can tell the people who never had to spend hours in a library thumbing through a card catalogue, stacks of books, journals, microfiche etc etc.
 

kaerflog

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Not yet cause I haven't seen a perfect phone.
The closest I've seen is the Note 5. I want a bigger size phone but ones that fit comfortably in the hands and the Note 5 is just perfect.
Give me a Note 5 with the SD820, bigger battery, shrink the top and bottom bezels a bit more and I'm a happy man. Maybe the Note 6 will deliver that.
 

boomhower

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I wouldn't say bored but don't have the urge to upgrade like I used to. Get a new iPhone every two years and I'm good. Been down the upgrade every six months road on Android and the upgrade every year iPhone road. Early on the Android upgrades were worth it. These days, with the maturity we have it is hardly worth upgrading every year.
 

Zaap

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Give me a Note 5 with the SD820, bigger battery, shrink the top and bottom bezels a bit more and I'm a happy man. Maybe the Note 6 will deliver that.
Same here I'd just add SD support and/or upgraded internal storage as well. (Its time for a 256GB phone! And no, that's not an outrageous amount of storage, it's 2016 not 2010. Really a 1TB phone that's a true storage device shouldn't be that far off).

I won't hold out hope for removable battery... that ship seems to have sailed but its a shame.

If Sammy drops the ball big time with the Note 6, the nerd rage will be shrill indeed.
 

dawheat

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Same here I'd just add SD support and/or upgraded internal storage as well. (Its time for a 256GB phone! And no, that's not an outrageous amount of storage, it's 2016 not 2010. Really a 1TB phone that's a true storage device shouldn't be that far off).

I won't hold out hope for removable battery... that ship seems to have sailed but its a shame.

If Sammy drops the ball big time with the Note 6, the nerd rage will be shrill indeed.

I'd totally upgrade my Note 5 if they do a S6 -> S7 evolution.

5.8-5.9" screen in the same size as the Note 5, 3800mah battery, evolved camera from the S7, mSD. The battery life alone is worth the upgrade. The Note 5 is OK, but I'd like it to be 20% better.
 

Kaido

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I would also like a self driving car, but I can't afford a Tesla.

Had to read that sentence twice...it was always funny watching movies set in the future where people were like "oh I'd love to get a Marty McFly hoverboard, but I don't have the cash", and here we are literally having self-driving cars available to purchase but we're stuck in the same situation where they're still out of an average income's price range :D
 

notposting

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One part of the OP's post is where my real boredom lies:

a lack of diversity in platforms. Palm still had a hope then. Blackberry had the marketshare to spend some time and get things right. MS had dwindling share with Windows but the resources to do the same. Ditto for Nokia with Symbian (and/or the various spiritual successors).

Apple had quickly ascended but there were still so many smartphones left to sell it really was an open field. Google and Android were up & coming but it certainly wasn't a slam dunk yet.

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Several years later, what are the results?

Palm: spectacular flameout, implosion, debacle, etc. Still so many great ideas and innovative concepts.
Nokia: whoops. The really sad part, for me, is the loss of that somewhat demented focus on phone imaging. They have scattered to various companies and industries post-Nokia.
Blackberry: complacency at its finest!
MS/Windows: lack of strong leadership is probably the real failure. WP7 was a strong start, but starting over time and again, never having their own vision truly guide them long term, it just ends in failure.

Right now I have an Icon on my Verizon unlimited line. Contract runs out in August, probably dropping VZW after 12 years then. Still have my Lumia 928 as well, which I use most days (and honestly has a better camera for most uses than the Icon).

Of course, I also use an 808 Pureview as our primary camera at this point and I have a prepaid SIM in it (no data), will likely just get the wife an N8...or maybe an N82.

I like xenon. :p
 

s44

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Rumor is that this year's Note will be a big change (which may be why they released the big Edge early - although having it be basically the same width and weight as the regular S7 was probably a factor).

Something something docking? Something something 6gb RAM? Something something folding screen?

I mean, who knows.
 

poofyhairguy

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Rumor is that this year's Note will be a big change (which may be why they released the big Edge early - although having it be basically the same width and weight as the regular S7 was probably a factor).

Something something docking? Something something 6gb RAM? Something something folding screen?

Force Touch? 4K screen? Finally a USB 3.1 port?
 

poofyhairguy

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My guesses? No (do Apple folks even use it?), yes, yes (and with included adapter, like the OTG in the S7 package).

I think you underestimate Samsung's desire to ape Apple flagship features.

4K would get me excited, that could mean a lot for VR if we could get 4K without the battery life hit.
 

s44

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Naah. There were rumors of force touch being tested on the S7. I think they killed it when they discovered no one gave a crap.
 

poofyhairguy

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I could see that. It cracks me up that "3D Touch" is used the exact way that Steve Jobs hated to see the right mouse button used, right down to hidden menus. Apple hasn't really innovated in mobile since the fingerprint reader on the 5S. No VR that we see, no circle faced watch, and every recent major iOS innovation someone else did first.
 

s44

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They stole the fingerprint reader from Moto!

Anyway, it's almost as if Apple turned the reins over to their operations guy instead of a visionary...
 

notposting

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Eh, he wasn't supposed to be doing the creative thinking or replacing Jobs in that manner. Apple has a lot of creative and visionary employees.

Of course, Jobs was really good at both picking something out that wasn't really new exactly...but putting it together in that complete, polished, expensive feeling (and being) sort of way. In that sense, Apple does seem to be just treading water for the most part - incremental changes, products keeping pace with others, etc.

edit: well, crazily hounding the people actually putting the things together anyway. :D
 
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Commodus

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I could see that. It cracks me up that "3D Touch" is used the exact way that Steve Jobs hated to see the right mouse button used, right down to hidden menus. Apple hasn't really innovated in mobile since the fingerprint reader on the 5S. No VR that we see, no circle faced watch, and every recent major iOS innovation someone else did first.

Mind you, Jobs also greenlit the Magic Mouse. I don't think he was averse to right-clicking, just that he didn't want to see developers bury core functions in the right-click menu (as many Windows devs love to do). 3D Touch behaves the same way; it saves you time, but it's not there to replace key functions.

I wouldn't say the absence of a circular smartwatch is a sign of a lack of innovation. Apple (Ive specifically, I think) said that it chose a rectangular display on purpose, as it provides the most information possible. I'd go so far as to say that circular smartwatches aren't very innovative at all, since they're just trying to ape conventional watch design.

Here's hoping that iOS 10 is more forward-thinking. I've appreciated recent iOS releases, but mostly because there were a lot of "finally!" additions. Hoping that the big number 10 is an opportunity to push forward, even if a complete overhaul is unlikely.
 

poofyhairguy

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Mind you, Jobs also greenlit the Magic Mouse.

Only after years of infighting did he give in, and only for a mouse that LOOKED like it had one button.

I don't think he was averse to right-clicking

Hell ya he was:

“Steve was a firm believer in the fact that if you make the UI good enough, you should be able to do everything you needed to with one button,” Farag says. “In the early 2000s there were a few people at Apple who were strongly suggesting that it was time to work on multiple buttons. But convincing Steve to go for it was almost like a war of attrition.'

http://www.cultofmac.com/269222/steve-jobs-hated-idea-multi-button-mouse-designer-claims

3D Touch behaves the same way; it saves you time, but it's not there to replace key functions.

3D Touch is being sold in advertisements by showing features (like the moving picture thing) that only 3D Touch can do. I would argue that Apple considers that stuff "key functions" because they are the marketable difference between the 6 and 6s for "normal" people, and unlike a Mac right click there is no other way to get to those functions.

What makes it worse is 3D Touch functionalities can only be discovered via trial and error, which is the same buried feature concept Steve hated. I just can't see any way he would have loved what they did with 3D Touch, not that his opinion matters anymore but he had a way to know what features would resonate with normal folks (which 3D Touch doesn't do).

I wouldn't say the absence of a circular smartwatch is a sign of a lack of innovation. Apple (Ive specifically, I think) said that it chose a rectangular display on purpose, as it provides the most information possible. I'd go so far as to say that circular smartwatches aren't very innovative at all, since they're just trying to ape conventional watch design.

Square watches have been around forever, Armani and Ralph Lauren have historically used "rectangular" shapes. Also you have to consider that I had a square smartwatch on my arm for almost a year before any consumer owned an Apple Watch, and Pebble owners had it long before that. Sony had NFC payments in a smartwatch before Apple, and Moto had a heart beat monitor in one before Apple. In fact I would argue hardware wise the only "innovation" in the Apple Watch was a 3D Touch that again doesn't resonate with regular people.

As far as the image density thing, someone did us a favor and created a mockup of Apple UI elements on a round face:

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And as you can see it only takes a little adjustment to get around the round information density problem. Hell, the Apple Watch's activity monitor is already round, no modification needed:

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That would look a hell of a lot better on a round watch.

The real excuse for Apple having a square watch is they have turned into a very conservative company that is content to polish and refine what someone else is doing in technology rather than innovate in ways that make a big difference for users. I quote a fan of Apple:

A rectangular Apple Watch — formed as it is exactly along the lines of a shrunken-down iPhone — seems like a single-minded, simple-minded cop-out.

http://watchaware.com/post/13164/the-round-apple-watch-that-should-have-been

What I love is that fact that the relative lack of success for the Apple Watch will push Apple make changes and we might see a round watch in the next version or the one after.

I've appreciated recent iOS releases, but mostly because there were a lot of "finally!" additions.

Exactly, because that is all a Jobsless Apple has.

Every major iOS feature recently (night mode, split screen, widgets, a stylus, etc. ) someone else did first. The only Apple-specific advancement in the ecosystem have come only for devices with the needed hardware- aka devices with force touch or with a fingerprint reader. And only one of those was good enough to copy in Android.

The last major iOS feature released that wasn't tied to some hardware feature was Siri, and that came way back with the 4s. That is a long time to go without true innovation, Apple is lucky that they don't need to innovate anymore.

Meanwhile main competitor Samsung has a payment system that works on old card readers, a VR headset that beat the big Oculus to the market by a year and a half, and a curved screen form factor that literally looks years in the future when compared to all the bezels in the iPhone 6s. THAT is what real innovation looks like, the kind Apple used to show off when Jobs was around. And I don't just mean mobile devices- that new Netbo... I mean Macbook is the most terrible major consumer product sold by Apple since the third generation iPod shuffle.

I fully expect the next amazing innovative product with the Apple logo on it will be a car that Elon originally designed/invented when they throw enough money at him to buy Tesla. I have given up on the concept that a Cooks-run Apple can innovate, even if I really admire his stance on privacy.
 
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Commodus

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Only after years of infighting did he give in, and only for a mouse that LOOKED like it had one button.

Yes, that's true, but he did do it. The point is that the "Steve Jobs would never have..." trope falls apart, because he eventually believed that it could work. Heck, OS X had right-click contextual menus years before the Magic Mouse arrived. The goal wasn't to force you to use one button -- it was to make sure that newcomers could always get things done with that one button.



3D Touch is being sold in advertisements by showing features (like the moving picture thing) that only 3D Touch can do. I would argue that Apple considers that stuff "key functions" because they are the marketable difference between the 6 and 6s for "normal" people, and unlike a Mac right click there is no other way to get to those functions.

What makes it worse is 3D Touch functionalities can only be discovered via trial and error, which is the same buried feature concept Steve hated. I just can't see any way he would have loved what they did with 3D Touch, not that his opinion matters anymore but he had a way to know what features would resonate with normal folks (which 3D Touch doesn't do).

I'm not sure I'd agree that Live Photos or the peek-and-pop stuff are vital functions. They're nice to have, but you don't need to peek to see an email before you dive into it. You are right that there's no alternative to these functions, though, and that you don't immediately know which apps support it.



Square watches have been around forever, Armani and Ralph Lauren have historically used "rectangular" shapes. Also you have to consider that I had a square smartwatch on my arm for almost a year before any consumer owned an Apple Watch, and Pebble owners had it long before that. Sony had NFC payments in a smartwatch before Apple, and Moto had a heart beat monitor in one before Apple. In fact I would argue hardware wise the only "innovation" in the Apple Watch was a 3D Touch that again doesn't resonate with regular people.

As far as the image density thing, someone did us a favor and created a mockup of Apple UI elements on a round face: *snip for brevity*

And as you can see it only takes a little adjustment to get around the round information density problem. Hell, the Apple Watch's activity monitor is already round, no modification needed.

That would look a hell of a lot better on a round watch.

The key is that the rectangular display was a conscious choice based on the content, not an attempt to mimic rectangular watches. And yes, there are advantages to it that aren't possible with circular displays: it's better for reading text (say, an incoming email) and adding complications (read: widgets) that don't obscure the watch face.

I think you're confused as to what Apple does to clinch markets. There were already MP3 players that were more portable than the first iPod, and ones with higher capacity; that didn't stop the iPod from dominating the market. The original iPhone didn't have 3G, GPS or an autofocusing camera, but that didn't prevent it from starting a sea change that killed most of its competition from that era. Apple's approach to innovation isn't to pad the spec sheet -- it's to deliver interface and design advancements that take a category into the mainstream.

I don't think the Apple Watch is all that revolutionary, but you're purposefully downplaying what's there. Force Touch is damn handy for expanding what watch-based apps can do, and the "digital crown" helps me read things without covering the screen.

Besides, it's odd to claim that the Apple Watch "doesn't resonate with regular people" when current market share estimates have Apple dominating the smartwatch space by a wide margin. If that's failing to resonate, then Google and Samsung are completely out of touch. We both know that's not true, of course (Apple's success is partly due to sheer market clout), but you don't have much of an argument when Apple is so far the only smartwatch maker to click with the public in a big way.



Meanwhile main competitor Samsung has a payment system that works on old card readers, a VR headset that beat the big Oculus to the market by a year and a half, and a curved screen form factor that literally looks years in the future when compared to all the bezels in the iPhone 6s. THAT is what real innovation looks like, the kind Apple used to show off when Jobs was around. And I don't just mean mobile devices- that new Netbo... I mean Macbook is the most terrible major consumer product sold by Apple since the third generation iPod shuffle.

I fully expect the next amazing innovative product with the Apple logo on it will be a car that Elon originally designed/invented when they throw enough money at him to buy Tesla. I have given up on the concept that a Cooks-run Apple can innovate, even if I really admire his stance on privacy.

Samsung got its payment tech by acquiring a company that was already doing it on other platforms, and I'm not sure what its curved display actually does besides look cool (I've used the Note Edge and S6 Edge extensively, so I know how useless the side menu usually is). Gear VR is the only truly innovative one in the bunch. To me, innovation means developing something from scratch that genuinely moves the industry forward -- acquisitions and pretty-but-not-much-else curved screens don't amount to much.

Under Cook, Apple has:

- developed the first genuinely easy-to-use mobile fingerprint reader
- pioneered port formats like USB-C (it's known that Apple helped shape the standard)
- created the first truly accessible, easy-to-use NFC payment system
- ushered in the first "Retina" (that is, significantly greater than HD) laptop displays
- invented haptic-based, pressure-sensitive trackpads
- taken smartwatches into the (relative) mainstream
- beaten everyone to the punch on 5K displays, at a better price point
- introduced 64-bit mobile processors well before the competition

This isn't to say these are all groundbreaking, or that Apple is a non-stop invention factory. It's not, particularly in iOS. However, I think we have to remember that innovation isn't just about creating brand new categories or technologies -- it's pushing them forward in a significant way, or making a once-niche technology accessible to everyone.
 

zinfamous

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Never been into them, really. I went from some Samsung derp phone, forget what it was called (pre-android Samsung OS that could play a few music files), to an unlocked SGS2 ~2010 or 2011. whever that was.

I still have and use that SGS2 and it is in immaculate condition (physically; Android 4.02 or whatever now does weird things from time to time: half the time I screen swipe to open or open messaging, the phone just brings me to the wikipedia page for Napoleon...wtf). Got it new when it was just being released, paid $300 because I used cashback from opening a new Chase Freedom card, so it was an instant $350 back on that ~$650 purchase.

Anyway, I thought that finally getting a real smartphone would drag me out of luddite status. Never happened. I was briefly wowed by its shininess and smug over my new status as official top-of-the-line bleeding edge cell phone dude, even through Apple's next update nearly a year later....but that was brief. I still use it to make phone calls, send a few texts here and there. Pretty much what phones are supposed to do. I occasionally access google maps form time to time..oh--of course I have only had an actual data plan for about one year now, after dumping non-contract T-Mobile and switching to Cricket last year. lol. Prior to that, it was Wi-Fi only which more than suited my needs. I have cricket's cheapest, with 2gb/month. I use maybe 100mg if that. Obviously, I have no need for a smarthphone nor do I see any real need for one for any human, outside of getting their mindless jollies on every waking second of the day. Me: I'd rather look up and forward at the living and real world around me rather than down as I stroll off a cliff. :D

That being said, I will probably grab a Nexus 5X or whatever once this SGS2 finally kicks, which feels imminent (I thought that was happening 2 years ago...turns out it was only a swollen battery. The first battery failure, mind you. Rather than spending a few hundred on a new shitty phone that I didn't need, 8 bucks on amazon got me 2 replacement batteries and at least 2 more years of use. Go me).

assuming the nexus deal + google wireless service is still going. At which point, I will also likely switch to republic wireless soon after. I'm not sure why I am paying $35/month for unlimited calls, text, 20x more data than I would ever need, when I should be paying ~$18.
 
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lopri

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Somewhat of an off-tangent question, but is there a successor to Cortex-A53 on the horizon? I am wondering what mid-range and budget products might be in the future when the flagships lean towards custom SOCs.