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waggy

No Lifer
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And don't trust what the realtor told you. They know fuck all about property. You need a surveyor if it's gonna be close to the property line.

/this

when the house next door was sold they told them the property line was like 10ft in mine. so they were driving in my yard and damaging it. I asked t hem to stop and they told me to fuck off.


I called the cops on them and they told the cops the Realtor said that was the line. the idiotic kid (i say kid because the cop was maybe 20) came back and said that realtor's can't lie i need to suck it up. i shook my head.

we had a company come out and mark the property lines. The neighbor yelled at them to get of her lawn. they laughed and took a step over and said ok. then put in stakes to mark the line (it was where i thought). She pulled them out latter that night.

next time she drove on the property i called the cops again. the same cop came and he started chewing me out. i showed him the paper they gave me and asked if he felt stupid yet? i don't think tha twas a good idea..but he went over and told them to stop it.

they moved out like a month latter (house is in forclosure)
 

spacejamz

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Mar 31, 2003
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Call BEFORE you dig!!!!!!!!!!

Call all of the local utilities before you dig anywhere. You cut a fiber or gas line, you are looking at a heck of a bill.

Back around 1997 or 1998 a guy putting in a fence cut the main fiber optic line going to Atlanta Georgia.

and usually there is no charge for them to come out and flag/spray paint the locations all of the underground cables (gas, electric, cable, etc)...
 

sunzt

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Nov 27, 2003
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/this

when the house next door was sold they told them the property line was like 10ft in mine. so they were driving in my yard and damaging it. I asked t hem to stop and they told me to fuck off.


I called the cops on them and they told the cops the Realtor said that was the line. the idiotic kid (i say kid because the cop was maybe 20) came back and said that realtor's can't lie i need to suck it up. i shook my head.

we had a company come out and mark the property lines. The neighbor yelled at them to get of her lawn. they laughed and took a step over and said ok. then put in stakes to mark the line (it was where i thought). She pulled them out latter that night.

next time she drove on the property i called the cops again. the same cop came and he started chewing me out. i showed him the paper they gave me and asked if he felt stupid yet? i don't think tha twas a good idea..but he went over and told them to stop it.

they moved out like a month latter (house is in forclosure)

fck sounds like a horrible experience. At least it all worked out...
 

spacejamz

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Why be such a dickhead? I honestly want to hear your reason for making this statement. You must be the biggest douche I've ever e-met. The saw did the job fine, it was just the most difficult part of installing my fence.

To answer your question, the reason why I installed my own fence was to save money. To spend several hundred dollars on a saw that I would use once per decade and take up a such a large space in my garage makes no sense. Are you happy? Doesn't take a genius to figure this out does it?

I'm the dickhead??? I'm not the one criticizing the free tool being loaned to me...

you could have said the saw was dull, wasn't strong enough, or whatever, but to come right and call it crappy makes you the douche...
 
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spacejamz

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use 4x4 treated posts, you'll be fine. make sure you install the rails vertically (the 4" dimension), otherwise they will sag badly. oh, and use powder-coated fasteners, especially if you use cedar pickets, galvanized will cause black streaks.

also use ring shank fasteners...the smooth ones will wiggle out much faster...
 

Texashiker

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and usually there is no charge for them to come out and flag/spray paint the locations all of the underground cables (gas, electric, cable, etc)...

That is right.

If you call or fax a request, they do not mark the lines and you cut them, you are not usually responsible.

If someone does not call, and cuts the line, that person is going to get a massive bill.
 

Northern Lawn

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May 15, 2008
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I built a short chain link fence, what a pain. Pounding the metal poles 4 feet into the ground with this device they rented me which I broke, then with a slug hammer. I ended up mushrooming the tops on all the poles and had to cut that off so I could get the caps on.

I had to put it in 4 feet into the ground because that's where our frost line is. Watch for that if its' applicable where you live.
 

FallenHero

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I'm the dickhead??? I'm not the one criticizing the free tool being loaned to me...

you could have said the saw was dull, wasn't strong enough, or whatever, but to come right and call it crappy makes you the douche...

lighten up, francis
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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To summarize what I learned while building my fence:
1. If you have an HOA, you probably need to get your fence design approved first.
2. Check with your city/county to make sure you're adhering to all local rules.
3. Call miss utility to have your underground utilities marked.
4. Get your corners marked and pull string between them to mark your lines. If you have an irregular shaped lot, get your actual lines marked by the surveyor.
5. Plan where you'll dig your holes. They don't need to be exactly 8' apart and it's okay to have slightly different lengths between each hole. You want to avoid digging within 2 feet (at least around here) of any marked utility.
6. Rent some type of digging tool. The one you needs depends on your soil. If you have softer soil, you may be okay with a 1 man or 2 man digger. If you have harder soil, you might need a skid steer or even a tractor.
7. Dig your holes. Depending on the frost line and local rules, you need to dig at least 2' deep. In areas with a deeper frost line, you'll want to go further down.
8. Call around to local lumberyards to get a better price than the big national chains. You want pressure treated everything, unless you're into cedar pickets. You need:
- 4"x4" posts. I'd recommend 6"x6" posts on the corners and around your gates, but they aren't necessary. If you want a 6' tall fence, get 8' long posts if your holes are 2' deep.
- 2"x4"x8' rails. You may need some 10' boards if you go a little long on a section or two, or you build a wider drive gate. Plan for 3 rails - one at the very top, one a few inches from the bottom, and one in the middle.
- Pickets. I used 1"x6" boards.
- Concrete. I used an average of 60lbs per hole. You may want to rent a concrete mixer as well. It doesn't seem that bad, but mixing concrete by hand for a few hours can be pretty tiring.
- Nails. Use 3" exterior nails to attach the rails to the posts. Use 2" exterior nails to attach the pickets to the rails. Get the ribbed nails for better pull out resistance. Using an air nailer will save your shoulder/arm, save you a lot of time, and put less stress on your posts during construction.
- Gate hardware. You need some big sturdy hinges, lag screws, and latch hardware. If you build a drive gate, you'll probably want some barrel bolts and a pin that goes into the ground.
- Post caps. Depending on your fence design, you may not need these. A lot of people like gothic posts. It's cheaper to get regular posts and buy the screw on gothic tops. Or just get the cheap $2 plastic caps.
9. Set your posts and wait for the concrete to dry. The way you set them is probably the biggest difference between fence builders. Some dry pack the concrete. Some pre-mix it and fill halfway with concrete and then the rest with dirt. Some pre-mix and fill it full with concrete. Some use gravel instead of concrete. Some use a few inches of gravel and then concrete. I just used about half concrete and half dirt.
10. Hang your rails. Measure and cut to length. You can hang them on the inside of the post, toenail them between the posts, or hang them on the outside of the posts. I chose the outside for simplicity. Toenails tend to pull out, especially as the boards shrink/warp. If you have a non-level yard, you may need to pick where to "transition" between flat/level rails and running up/running down.
11. Put up the pickets/fence boards. I kept it simple with 1"x6" boards side-by-side. You can get very fancy here or keep it simple.
12. Build your gate(s). You basically build it like a regular section of fence, just on the inside of the posts with the rails screwed into the posts temporarily. Attach your hinges to the posts and the rails. Add cross supports from the high side away from the hinge to the low side near the hinge. Attach the pickets and unscrew the rails. Install latch hardware.
13. Finish work. For me, this was cutting off posts to a uniform height, cutting off the boards to a slightly lower height, adding some fascia boards to the top edges, and installing post caps. You may be cutting a swoop, installing lattice, etc.
14. Give your fence a couple of years to weather before you stain it. All of my boards aren't uniform in color and I still have the "#2 board made in the USA blah blah" stamps on all of them. Giving them a couple years to fade to equal shades and I'll probably powerwash the stamps off.
 
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NutBucket

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Aug 30, 2000
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Also, if you're going to paint it you might as well paint all the boards before you install them.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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read up, and pour the concrete...its hard in that its hard labor, it isn't complicated at all, line up the post holes with string and dig away..

Most of the time sinking wood into concrete is a bad idea. If one gets the proper fence posts and plants them properly they should be great for years.

I am not sure if the OP is talking about putting up his own fence esp with pre-built panels or totally building his own panels.

The former is definitely a lot cheaper, the latter only really needed if you want a custom design.

If you live in an HOA, many do not allow the owner to put up their own fences.
 

spacejamz

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
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To summarize what I learned while building my fence:
1. If you have an HOA, you probably need to get your fence design approved first.
2. Check with your city/county to make sure you're adhering to all local rules.
3. Call miss utility to have your underground utilities marked.
4. Get your corners marked and pull string between them to mark your lines. If you have an irregular shaped lot, get your actual lines marked by the surveyor.
5. Plan where you'll dig your holes. They don't need to be exactly 8' apart and it's okay to have slightly different lengths between each hole. You want to avoid digging within 2 feet (at least around here) of any marked utility.
6. Rent some type of digging tool. The one you needs depends on your soil. If you have softer soil, you may be okay with a 1 man or 2 man digger. If you have harder soil, you might need a skid steer or even a tractor.
7. Dig your holes. Depending on the frost line and local rules, you need to dig at least 2' deep. In areas with a deeper frost line, you'll want to go further down.
8. Call around to local lumberyards to get a better price than the big national chains. You want pressure treated everything, unless you're into cedar pickets. You need:
- 4"x4" posts. I'd recommend 6"x6" posts on the corners and around your gates, but they aren't necessary. If you want a 6' tall fence, get 8' long posts if your holes are 2' deep.
- 2"x4"x8' rails. You may need some 10' boards if you go a little long on a section or two, or you build a wider drive gate. Plan for 3 rails - one at the very top, one a few inches from the bottom, and one in the middle.
- Pickets. I used 1"x6" boards.
- Concrete. I used an average of 60lbs per hole. You may want to rent a concrete mixer as well. It doesn't seem that bad, but mixing concrete by hand for a few hours can be pretty tiring.
- Nails. Use 3" exterior nails to attach the rails to the posts. Use 2" exterior nails to attach the pickets to the rails. Get the ribbed nails for better pull out resistance. Using an air nailer will save your shoulder/arm, save you a lot of time, and put less stress on your posts during construction.
- Gate hardware. You need some big sturdy hinges, lag screws, and latch hardware. If you build a drive gate, you'll probably want some barrel bolts and a pin that goes into the ground.
- Post caps. Depending on your fence design, you may not need these. A lot of people like gothic posts. It's cheaper to get regular posts and buy the screw on gothic tops. Or just get the cheap $2 plastic caps.
9. Set your posts and wait for the concrete to dry. The way you set them is probably the biggest difference between fence builders. Some dry pack the concrete. Some pre-mix it and fill halfway with concrete and then the rest with dirt. Some pre-mix and fill it full with concrete. Some use gravel instead of concrete. Some use a few inches of gravel and then concrete. I just used about half concrete and half dirt.
10. Hang your rails. Measure and cut to length. You can hang them on the inside of the post, toenail them between the posts, or hang them on the outside of the posts. I chose the outside for simplicity. Toenails tend to pull out, especially as the boards shrink/warp. If you have a non-level yard, you may need to pick where to "transition" between flat/level rails and running up/running down.
11. Put up the pickets/fence boards. I kept it simple with 1"x6" boards side-by-side. You can get very fancy here or keep it simple.
12. Build your gate(s). You basically build it like a regular section of fence, just on the inside of the posts with the rails screwed into the posts temporarily. Attach your hinges to the posts and the rails. Add cross supports from the high side away from the hinge to the low side near the hinge. Attach the pickets and unscrew the rails. Install latch hardware.
13. Finish work. For me, this was cutting off posts to a uniform height, cutting off the boards to a slightly lower height, adding some fascia boards to the top edges, and installing post caps. You may be cutting a swoop, installing lattice, etc.
14. Give your fence a couple of years to weather before you stain it. All of my boards aren't uniform in color and I still have the "#2 board made in the USA blah blah" stamps on all of them. Giving them a couple years to fade to equal shades and I'll probably powerwash the stamps off.

good summary....the only thing I would add would be to use a rot board (or kicker board)...this will prevent the bottom of the pickets from rotting and getting knicked by the the weed wacker...easier to replace the rot boards then all of the pickets...

If you have a level ground just place a 2x6 board on the ground between the poles and then the bottom of the pickets will rest directly on top of the of the 2x6 or 2x8. Or you can just make sure the pickets are a few inches off the ground and then attach the 2x6 directly to the pickets (on the side of the fence with the rails)...
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spacejamz

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
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I am not sure if the OP is talking about putting up his own fence esp with pre-built panels...

if you use prebuilt panels, the post have to be 8' apart (you have 'wiggle' room if you are putting up your own rails) and it gets alot more complicated if the yard is not totally flat (if the grade is too steep, you probably won't even be able use them)...most of the sites I have seen on the internet about fence building suggest avoiding them....
 

sunzt

Diamond Member
Nov 27, 2003
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To summarize what I learned while building my fence:
1. If you have an HOA, you probably need to get your fence design approved first.
2. Check with your city/county to make sure you're adhering to all local rules.
3. Call miss utility to have your underground utilities marked.
4. Get your corners marked and pull string between them to mark your lines. If you have an irregular shaped lot, get your actual lines marked by the surveyor.
5. Plan where you'll dig your holes. They don't need to be exactly 8' apart and it's okay to have slightly different lengths between each hole. You want to avoid digging within 2 feet (at least around here) of any marked utility.
6. Rent some type of digging tool. The one you needs depends on your soil. If you have softer soil, you may be okay with a 1 man or 2 man digger. If you have harder soil, you might need a skid steer or even a tractor.
7. Dig your holes. Depending on the frost line and local rules, you need to dig at least 2' deep. In areas with a deeper frost line, you'll want to go further down.
8. Call around to local lumberyards to get a better price than the big national chains. You want pressure treated everything, unless you're into cedar pickets. You need:
- 4"x4" posts. I'd recommend 6"x6" posts on the corners and around your gates, but they aren't necessary. If you want a 6' tall fence, get 8' long posts if your holes are 2' deep.
- 2"x4"x8' rails. You may need some 10' boards if you go a little long on a section or two, or you build a wider drive gate. Plan for 3 rails - one at the very top, one a few inches from the bottom, and one in the middle.
- Pickets. I used 1"x6" boards.
- Concrete. I used an average of 60lbs per hole. You may want to rent a concrete mixer as well. It doesn't seem that bad, but mixing concrete by hand for a few hours can be pretty tiring.
- Nails. Use 3" exterior nails to attach the rails to the posts. Use 2" exterior nails to attach the pickets to the rails. Get the ribbed nails for better pull out resistance. Using an air nailer will save your shoulder/arm, save you a lot of time, and put less stress on your posts during construction.
- Gate hardware. You need some big sturdy hinges, lag screws, and latch hardware. If you build a drive gate, you'll probably want some barrel bolts and a pin that goes into the ground.
- Post caps. Depending on your fence design, you may not need these. A lot of people like gothic posts. It's cheaper to get regular posts and buy the screw on gothic tops. Or just get the cheap $2 plastic caps.
9. Set your posts and wait for the concrete to dry. The way you set them is probably the biggest difference between fence builders. Some dry pack the concrete. Some pre-mix it and fill halfway with concrete and then the rest with dirt. Some pre-mix and fill it full with concrete. Some use gravel instead of concrete. Some use a few inches of gravel and then concrete. I just used about half concrete and half dirt.
10. Hang your rails. Measure and cut to length. You can hang them on the inside of the post, toenail them between the posts, or hang them on the outside of the posts. I chose the outside for simplicity. Toenails tend to pull out, especially as the boards shrink/warp. If you have a non-level yard, you may need to pick where to "transition" between flat/level rails and running up/running down.
11. Put up the pickets/fence boards. I kept it simple with 1"x6" boards side-by-side. You can get very fancy here or keep it simple.
12. Build your gate(s). You basically build it like a regular section of fence, just on the inside of the posts with the rails screwed into the posts temporarily. Attach your hinges to the posts and the rails. Add cross supports from the high side away from the hinge to the low side near the hinge. Attach the pickets and unscrew the rails. Install latch hardware.
13. Finish work. For me, this was cutting off posts to a uniform height, cutting off the boards to a slightly lower height, adding some fascia boards to the top edges, and installing post caps. You may be cutting a swoop, installing lattice, etc.
14. Give your fence a couple of years to weather before you stain it. All of my boards aren't uniform in color and I still have the "#2 board made in the USA blah blah" stamps on all of them. Giving them a couple years to fade to equal shades and I'll probably powerwash the stamps off.

Can you build my fence?
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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anyone use a post hole digger like this one? how well does it works compare to a regular shovel?

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...gId=-1&keyword=post+hole+digger&storeId=10051

Don't use a shovel. You can get one of the skinny shovels to help out, but post hole diggers will be your best friend. If you have rocky/shale/clay soil, you'll probably end up needing a digging iron as well. Basically a 5' long piece of metal with a point on one end and a chisel on the other. You pick it up and smash it into the ground repeatedly.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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if you use prebuilt panels, the post have to be 8' apart (you have 'wiggle' room if you are putting up your own rails) and it gets alot more complicated if the yard is not totally flat (if the grade is too steep, you probably won't even be able use them)...most of the sites I have seen on the internet about fence building suggest avoiding them....

More than likely for your explaination (uneven property).

There are 100's of styles of pre-builts. Most are no different than a pro would make. The problem is many by the cheapest possible and then screw up the install.

For pre-builts you usually need 8' spacing...this is no different in much of construction though.

If you have a standard yard that has been graded, pre-builts can save a ton of time and money and deliver the same final product.

If your yard is random, then customized fencing will be needed definitely.
 

CPA

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Nov 19, 2001
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I did. Not a privacy fence but what we call "horse fence". Instead of slats going verticle, three 12' slats were hammered in going horizontal. Posts were laid 6' apart. Total run was about 800' feet. Had to get a surveyor out to mark one line and rented a gasoline powered post whole digger. needed a ton of cement too. Took me a good week by myself, partly because I was just coming off knee surgery.
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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Not that hard, confirm your utility lines before hand, posts in first then build from there. There's probably some short ebooks you can find to get some more knowledge on the subject. A level never hurt no one either.
 

spacejamz

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
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For pre-builts you usually need 8' spacing...this is no different in much of construction though.

If you are using wood poles, you pretty much need to nail (no pun intended) the spacing perfectly or you wont get the end of the rails centered on the poles...

You have a little more leeway if you are using round metal poles as you are supposed to screw the rails in the clamps and there is more room for adjustments...
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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If you are using wood poles, you pretty much need to nail (no pun intended) the spacing perfectly or you wont get the end of the rails centered on the poles...

You have a little more leeway if you are using round metal poles as you are supposed to screw the rails in the clamps and there is more room for adjustments...

Chainlink fencing is different than what is being discussed.

Also to others, concrete has no place in setting a fence properly. It causes the wood to rot faster and then is a PITA to fix.

We have very sandy soil in S. Florida and Hurricanes. I have not seen a fence without concrete do any worse than one with it. The problem is too many don't buy long enough posts nor an auger to save money and then blow a ton on concrete and digging big holes.
 

The_Dude8

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