Anyone been updating XP with the "embedded" registry hack?

[bgc99]

If so, have you run into any problems doing so?

Thanks,
BGC

 

[nemesismk2]

If so, have you run into any problems doing so?

Thanks,
BGC

i did do that with a spare copy of windows xp and didn't have any problems. i only did that with one copy to find out what it's like and the others i just use them with avast anti virus, i have not had any virus or trojan problems.

 

[JackMDS]

Quote: "Microsoft warned that Windows XP customers may face problems if they install the updates. “The security updates that could be installed are intended for Windows Embedded and Windows Server 2003 customers and do not fully protect Windows XP customers,” Microsoft said in a statement released to ZDnet. “Windows XP customers also run a significant risk of functionality issues with their machines if they install these updates, as they are not tested against Windows XP.”

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/27/microsoft-windows-xp-security-hack-update

 

[VirtualLarry]

Quote: "Microsoft warned that Windows XP customers may face problems if they install the updates. “The security updates that could be installed are intended for Windows Embedded and Windows Server 2003 customers and do not fully protect Windows XP customers,” Microsoft said in a statement released to ZDnet. “Windows XP customers also run a significant risk of functionality issues with their machines if they install these updates, as they are not tested against Windows XP.”

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/27/microsoft-windows-xp-security-hack-update

Sounds like standard boiler-plate FUD to me...

 

[escrow4]

Why are you still using XP? Even the depths of cheapness that I occasionally succumb to, I don't use a decade old OS that was relevant when DVD was new and VHS was in.

 

[Nashemon]

Why are you still using XP? Even the depths of cheapness that I occasionally succumb to, I don't use a decade old OS that was relevant when DVD was new and VHS was in.

The only reason I can imagine is not everyone buys the latest and greatest. The system requirements from XP to 7 are leaps and bounds. Old computers just can't run modern Windows without significant hardware upgrades. So unless someone can't do whatever they need to do with their computer, they aren't going to invest in a newer one just for an OS upgrade, when theirs works just fine for what they do with it.

Edit: Per comment below, removed possibility of post being considered a callout. It was not my intention.

 

[FalseChristian]

How do you feel about dual-booting? Right now I am dual-booting Windows 10 Pro 10130 64-bit and Windows XP Pro SP3. There a lot of older games I paid good money for that can only be run in Windows XP.

 

[mikeymikec]

@ escrow4 and Nashemon

Implying that the OP is cheap and/or lazy is neither helpful or polite.

 

[ninaholic37]

How do you feel about dual-booting? Right now I am dual-booting Windows 10 Pro 10130 64-bit and Windows XP Pro SP3. There a lot of older games I paid good money for that can only be run in Windows XP.

This is sort of what I did on my old Thinkpad as well. It came with XP so I replaced it with an XP SP4 then added Linux for internet, then disabled the internet on XP. After that, "security updates" beyond the regular XP version didn't really matter much. I just used XP for whatever didn't work or was harder to set up in Linux/Wine/Dos, which wasn't much. Eventually I sold that laptop and haven't felt desire to install any Windows version again though.

 

[escrow4]

The only reason I can imagine is not everyone buys the latest and greatest. The system requirements from XP to 7 are leaps and bounds. Old computers just can't run modern Windows without significant hardware upgrades. So unless someone can't do whatever they need to do with their computer, they aren't going to invest in a newer one just for an OS upgrade, when theirs works just fine for what they do with it.

Edit: Per comment below, removed possibility of post being considered a callout. It was not my intention.

A G1820 is $40 or sub $30 close to Microcentre, a cheap H81 board is $50 or less, a 4GB stick of RAM is $40 or less. $120 for core guts that is as fast if not faster as a half decent Core 2 (E8500) and would obliterate anything pre Core 2. 2008 or earlier to now and $120 for core upgrades over that period is nothing. At all. Add a cheap CX 430 PSU on rebate which you'll likely need and a new case if you feel like it and it still adds up to less than $200. Then you'll probably need a new HDD not something IDE choice is yours. $280 ish or less after rebates or shopping around for another 3-4 years is nothing.

 

[Nashemon]

A G1820 is $40 or sub $30 close to Microcentre, a cheap H81 board is $50 or less, a 4GB stick of RAM is $40 or less. $120 for core guts that is as fast if not faster as a half decent Core 2 (E8500) and would obliterate anything pre Core 2. 2008 or earlier to now and $120 for core upgrades over that period is nothing. At all. Add a cheap CX 430 PSU on rebate which you'll likely need and a new case if you feel like it and it still adds up to less than $200. Then you'll probably need a new HDD not something IDE choice is yours. $280 ish or less after rebates or shopping around for another 3-4 years is nothing.

I get the idea you may be half joking, but you think that the typical Windows XP user is going to be shop for parts and build their own computer why? You also may have overlooked the cost of the OS (10 isn't free for XP), the cost of purchasing compatible software upgrades, and the cost of a possible printer/scanner upgrade (since XP-era peripherals aren't always completely supported past Windows 7). But my point was, albeit on a tech forum where we discuss the newest -wares, if someone's computer (or any appliance) works for what they need it to do, why upgrade it, other than to stop it from nagging that it's obsolete?

 

[escrow4]

I get the idea you may be half joking, but you think that the typical Windows XP user is going to be shop for parts and build their own computer why? You also may have overlooked the cost of the OS (10 isn't free for XP), the cost of purchasing compatible software upgrades, and the cost of a possible printer/scanner upgrade (since XP-era peripherals aren't always completely supported past Windows 7). But my point was, albeit on a tech forum where we discuss the newest -wares, if someone's computer (or any appliance) works for what they need it to do, why upgrade it, other than to stop it from nagging that it's obsolete?

Then buy a sub $300 desktop from Dell's outlet. You upgrade it because XP is an obsolete piece of rubbish. Its going on 15yrs. FIFTEEN.

 

[Mem]

Then buy a sub $300 desktop from Dell's outlet. You upgrade it because XP is an obsolete piece of rubbish. Its going on 15yrs. FIFTEEN.

I replaced my old XP decade ago with Linux,cost was a big fat zero and yes all hardware including wireless printer etc works fine.


Users should not be using XP nowadays IMHO,plenty of great alternatives out there both free and cost wise.

 

[chin311]

I still find some niche software in certain industries is really dragging their feet getting their software to support 64 bit or anything past XP.

In some cases they request users to buy Windows 7 32-bit, LOL! or they are forced to run Win XP as a virtual machine to use the old software...

But for the average joe, hell you can buy a refurb dell/hp machine with Win 7 and probably better specs then they currently have for $100~~

 

[BonzaiDuck]

In a thread I answered and another I started today, some elements of this discussion are common.

Consider the spectrum -- socio-economic -- of our membership.

Some folks are willing to spend $1,500 on a 12 GB Titan X card. And so far, I've found the discussions here very egalitarian: "Those folks" don't criticize me for a GTX 970 purchase. Certainly, there is room for building budget computers. It's a "useful strategy" and no less relevant to our interest than 12 GB GPU cards.

Some retirees, perhaps many in the general population who must work for their daily bread, are reticent about annual system replacements, OS upgrades and other things. Many more folks just have a budget within which they must live with income as a given.

I have one friend who has barely dipped his toe into Win 7 waters, maintaining a set of desktops and laptops with (mostly) XP and VISTA. He's a retired electronics-tech, and he's a "fixer-upper." He "stays abreast" of the new developments. But he has better things on which to spend money -- or -- very careful about how he spends it.

If I bought a refrigerator 30 years ago, it wouldn't be energy efficient, but it may still work. The ice-cream stays frozen; the salsa remains edible for a week or two.

But the pressure in "personal IT" seems to follow throw-away devices, regular OS upgrades, frequent hardware recycling. Once you formulate a "family budget" for this sort of thing with a "2-year," "4-year" and "6-year" plan, you almost want to get off the bandwagon. Or, you make more careful, excruciating decisions.

I once spend $250 for the software version of the Oxford English Dictionary. Then, I upgraded the OS. No cigar! And the Cambridge publishers? No . . . new . . . version. Worse -- the copy-protection was horrific, just for moving it from one machine to the other. If you bought the "book" version -- either "compact edition" with magnifier or the 26-volume library edition, you'd keep it in the fam-damn-ily for a hundred years!

 

[Dude111]

Users should not be using XP nowadays IMHO

And why do you say this??

Users can use WHATEVER THEY ARE COMFORTABLE using,its not good or bad IF THEY KNOW HOW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES!!

 

[escrow4]

And why do you say this??

Users can use WHATEVER THEY ARE COMFORTABLE using,its not good or bad IF THEY KNOW HOW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES!!

If you did you wouldn't be using XP. Its trash. Simple.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

I still have an XP system at each site (me, brother, folks'), and my "honeypot" VMs are all XP (much smaller with everything installed than a base Win7 install).

OP for XP, but the XP systems are all 4GB + X6 1045t + 8800GT rigs.

 

[nemesismk2]

If you did you wouldn't be using XP. Its trash. Simple.

windows xp is not trash, i have had no viruses for 15 years with windows xp professional which has been used every day because i have always had powerful anti virus and never visited dodgy sites like porn or facebook etc.

 

[Mem]

And why do you say this??

Users can use WHATEVER THEY ARE COMFORTABLE using,its not good or bad IF THEY KNOW HOW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES!!

First I did say it was my opinion(we can have opinions here you know),second XP is dead and no longer supported by Microsoft,do you think the average user is an expert or good at protecting themselves,probably half don't even know XP is no longer supported,third there are better Operating Systems out there that are supported and with better security,features etc....


I stand by my post, IMHO XP should not be used nowadays.

Btw I'm "comfortable" using XP,used it for many years until it was phased out, even upgraded my mums XP to Win7 , but I would not touch XP nowadays for obvious reasons(security is only part of it,plenty of superior Windows and Linux Operating Systems out there.).

 

[Mushkins]

windows xp is not trash, i have had no viruses for 15 years with windows xp professional which has been used every day because i have always had powerful anti virus and never visited dodgy sites like porn or facebook etc.

Is there a term for the opposite of FUD? Burying your head in the sand?

If you think the only way to get a virus or malware is to visit porn sites, you need to point yourself to the nearest network security training and take it twice. Drive by infections are a very real thing, and the Windows XP kernel has vulnerabilities that *will not* be patched.

Continuing to use XP is like driving through a bad neighborhood with your windows rolled down and your doors unlocked. You're just *asking* for trouble. It's not a debate, all the antivirus and antimalware software in the world is not going to protect you, Windows XP is inherently insecure against modern threats, period.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Anyone still using XP needs to be severely beaten.

 

[Ketchup]

I have two VM's running XP. Neither is on the Internet. Both are for software compatibility. The hack seems to work, but I don't use it on current VM's since the only updates apply to security issues.

 

[nemesismk2]

Anyone still using XP needs to be severely beaten.

you should NOT be saying aything about severely beating people especially after so many british people died on a beach.

 

[Fred B]

When looking at market-share it seem there are more xp computers than w8.1 , that is a large amount .

http://www.netmarketshare.com/opera...?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&clearaf=1&qptimeframe=M