anybody work out biceps two days in a row?

[BD231]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Originally posted by: BD231
Just go with what feels right man, I've worked the same muscle group 2 days in a row at times and of course I take my breaks, but if you feel up to it go for it.

You'll usually crap out before you complete your normal amount of reps anyway and your not negating anything by doing it, just don't make a habbit out of it (I doubt you'll be able to keep up the work load if your working out hard).

The best way to get bigger is to KILL yourself each workout then rest 1 to 2 days.

The best way to get bigger is to EAT....EAT.....EAT.....and work hard.

Word .

Eating is a toughy though, it's hard keeping the fat levels down sometimes, and you can get CRAZY grouchy if you don't eat PERFECTLY. Talk about a pain in the ass , being buff is sweet though .

 

[Nutdotnet]

Yeah tell me about it man. I use to eat SO cleanly it was rediculous, now I eat more junk but I still keep my protein intake high. But I'm surprised, I have still had minimal fat gains. A fast metabolism sure helps! That's why eating 5-7 meals a day is so important. And my strength keeps going up. So, while I still eat healthy, I don't get on myself too hard when I eat a couple slices (or four, haha) of pizza.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Originally posted by: BD231
Just go with what feels right man, I've worked the same muscle group 2 days in a row at times and of course I take my breaks, but if you feel up to it go for it.

You'll usually crap out before you complete your normal amount of reps anyway and your not negating anything by doing it, just don't make a habbit out of it (I doubt you'll be able to keep up the work load if your working out hard).

The best way to get bigger is to KILL yourself each workout then rest 1 to 2 days.

The best way to get bigger is to EAT....EAT.....EAT.....and work hard.

No doubt. 70% of the battle of building mass is won with your fork and spoon Be sure to get that 1g/1lb protein (whey preferably), even more if possible (AST recommends 1.9g/1lb)...

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
From the second study: "However, for building muscle, training twice a day may not necessarily equate to greater gains. Norwegian scientists at their country's National Sports Center have recently examined the hormonal responses of athletes that train twice a day. One very interesting finding (published in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 33:568-575, 2001) was that the second workout of the day produced an exaggerated response in the catabolic hormones epinephrine, norepinephrine, and cortisol." Nowhere on this website does it say that this study was conducted under "Prolonged" periods of time. Did you even read the link?

Talk is cheap, lol. We dont' know "sh!t". Like I said man, once you can bench double your body weight then come talk to me. Your knowledge of bodybuilding is blatantly lacking... I recommend reading up on AST's site, then you wouldn't have to post topics such as this.

jesus christ, what is your insistance on those articles. is it not obvious to you that they have absolutely no relevance to my situation. i really don't see how someone's comprehension can be as bad as yours, but is it not clear that measuring the "hormonal responses of athletes that train twice a day" requires that a study be conducted over a prolonged period of time? you can make absolutely no kind of statistical inference from measuring hormone response during a short period of time. what is more, hormones have little to no short term effect on your body - they require prolonged periods of action to exhibit any kind of measurable change in the body, unless it's simple things such as heartrate, blood pressure, etc. but again, this has no effect in the long run.

you keep bragging about your bench as if it's some huge accomplishment. half of my high school football team could bench twice their body weight, so you really aren't impressing anybody mr. joe cool. besides, i'm on my way to benching twice my weight. i'm currently hovering 1.4-1.5 (i'm a cut 205lb) - i'm sure that by the time i'm 23 i'll be near 2.5 times my weight. you can also bet your ass that when i reach 2x my weight that i sure as hell won't go "talk to you" seeing that you pull up obscure weight training articles from 2 years ago, then completely misinterpret them and the situation for which they are being used.


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[Zebo]

The best book I've ever found on strengh conditioning is "arnold swartzeneggers encyclopedia of modern body building" worked very well for me when young (it was recently revised). Lots of guys says he over-trains people and turns them off from body building so they don't like it.. Oh well.. whatever works for you. He clearly works out same body parts sequential days... But then as Amused says he was on steriods. Do what you feel good doing. Obviousy if your sore somethings working.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Amused
Not a good idea. In fact, it's counter productive. You just negated ALL the work you did on the first day you worked them out when you worked the out the second day.

I wonder if this is completely true. Is there a study that confirms this? Because if you work a muscle, then work it again the next day, that gave it 24 hours to increase blood flow, start using aminos to rebuild, and replenish it's glucose store - so maybe by working it again the next day before it's relaxed again, you work the muscle fibers better for a deeper rebuild?

Here is a study done at Appalachian State University.

"Pervious research has shown that athletes who train twice a day run a high risk of overtraining. This research showed that training twice a day for a prolonged period of time will produce high amounts of the chemicals that cause inflammation and tear down muscle tissue."

EDIT: Another study published in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 33:568-575, 2001.

Bingo. Thanks.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
From the second study: "However, for building muscle, training twice a day may not necessarily equate to greater gains. Norwegian scientists at their country's National Sports Center have recently examined the hormonal responses of athletes that train twice a day. One very interesting finding (published in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 33:568-575, 2001) was that the second workout of the day produced an exaggerated response in the catabolic hormones epinephrine, norepinephrine, and cortisol." Nowhere on this website does it say that this study was conducted under "Prolonged" periods of time. Did you even read the link?

Talk is cheap, lol. We dont' know "sh!t". Like I said man, once you can bench double your body weight then come talk to me. Your knowledge of bodybuilding is blatantly lacking... I recommend reading up on AST's site, then you wouldn't have to post topics such as this.

jesus christ, what is your insistance on those articles. is it not obvious to you that they have absolutely no relevance to my situation. i really don't see how someone's comprehension can be as bad as yours, but is it not clear that measuring the "hormonal responses of athletes that train twice a day" requires that a study be conducted over a prolonged period of time? you can make absolutely no kind of statistical inference from measuring hormone response during a short period of time. what is more, hormones have little to no short term effect on your body - they require prolonged periods of action to exhibit any kind of measurable change in the body, unless it's simple things such as heartrate, blood pressure, etc. but again, this has no effect in the long run.

you keep bragging about your bench as if it's some huge accomplishment. half of my high school football team could bench twice their body weight, so you really aren't impressing anybody mr. joe cool. besides, i'm on my way to benching twice my weight. i'm currently hovering 1.4-1.5 (i'm a cut 205lb) - i'm sure that by the time i'm 23 i'll be near 2.5 times my weight. you can also bet your ass that when i reach 2x my weight that i sure as hell won't go "talk to you" seeing that you pull up obscure weight training articles from 2 years ago, then completely misinterpret them and the situation for which they are being used.

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Considering the fact that my metabolism has slowed down and I can still bench twice my weight places me in the top 2% of people who lift at my age. Of course it's a huge accomplishment, especially for a person who has never played football. I had to work harder than you'll ever know or experience to reach the level of success I've earned, and have been lifting more years than you've reached adulthood (10yrs) and are supposedly socially considered "a man".

Discounting any controlled medical study is like saying smoking isn't bad for you. Who cares how old it is as long as newer studies haven't negated the results... were the numerous studies from the 80's wrong when they reported that smoking was bad? You have alot to learn my friend. And for the record, I also weigh about the same as you (198 lbs). If you ever bench 2.5 times your weight, it would be around 560 lbs (225 adjusted weight since you'll have to pack on at least 20 more pounds of mass to lift this X2.5 = 562.5), be sure to send me a video of it because then I'll be impressed.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Depends on your body type and age and level of conditioning. Arnold worked our some same parts every day sometimes twice a day.

right but not the same muscles from the part usually.

You can hit the bicep two different ways.

Most of these rules are in general, certain people can recover more quickly....also in some types of training, training the same groups everyday is best. Will you see maximum size gains? probably not.

Keep in mind most training 'rules' are for getting biggest fastest or getting the most cut....very few 'rules' have to do with maximum strength.

 

[whaleskinrug]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Zebo
Depends on your body type and age and level of conditioning. Arnold worked our some same parts every day sometimes twice a day.

right but not the same muscles from the part usually.

You can hit the bicep two different ways.

Most of these rules are in general, certain people can recover more quickly....also in some types of training, training the same groups everyday is best. Will you see maximum size gains? probably not.

Keep in mind most training 'rules' are for getting biggest fastest or getting the most cut....very few 'rules' have to do with maximum strength.

Arnold could do that because the steroids allowed faster recovery. Show me any natural lifter that is of any *real size* that would lift the same body part two days in a row -- many won't even go two days in a week

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: whaleskinrug

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Zebo
Depends on your body type and age and level of conditioning. Arnold worked our some same parts every day sometimes twice a day.

right but not the same muscles from the part usually.

You can hit the bicep two different ways.

Most of these rules are in general, certain people can recover more quickly....also in some types of training, training the same groups everyday is best. Will you see maximum size gains? probably not.

Keep in mind most training 'rules' are for getting biggest fastest or getting the most cut....very few 'rules' have to do with maximum strength.

Arnold could do that because the steroids allowed faster recovery. Show me any natural lifter that is of any *real size* that would lift the same body part two days in a row -- many won't even go two days in a week

No doubt, I only work one body part once a week and give it 6 days of recovery... only exception would be abs, because mine tend to heal very fast. Might be different for others though...

 

[whaleskinrug]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: whaleskinrug

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Zebo
Depends on your body type and age and level of conditioning. Arnold worked our some same parts every day sometimes twice a day.

right but not the same muscles from the part usually.

You can hit the bicep two different ways.

Most of these rules are in general, certain people can recover more quickly....also in some types of training, training the same groups everyday is best. Will you see maximum size gains? probably not.

Keep in mind most training 'rules' are for getting biggest fastest or getting the most cut....very few 'rules' have to do with maximum strength.

Arnold could do that because the steroids allowed faster recovery. Show me any natural lifter that is of any *real size* that would lift the same body part two days in a row -- many won't even go two days in a week

No doubt, I only work one body part once a week and give it 6 days of recovery... only exception would be abs, because mine tend to heal very fast. Might be different for others though...

Yes, abs tend to recover faster

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Considering the fact that my metabolism has slowed down and I can still bench twice my weight places me in the top 2% of people who lift at my age. Of course it's a huge accomplishment, especially for a person who has never played football. I had to work harder than you'll ever know or experience to reach the level of success I've earned, and have been lifting more years than you've reached adulthood (10yrs) and are supposedly socially considered "a man".

Discounting any controlled medical study is like saying smoking isn't bad for you. Who cares how old it is as long as newer studies haven't negated the results... were the numerous studies from the 80's wrong when they reported that smoking was bad? You have alot to learn my friend. And for the record, I also weigh about the same as you (198 lbs). If you ever bench 2.5 times your weight, it would be around 560 lbs (225 adjusted weight since you'll have to pack on at least 20 more pounds of mass to lift this X2.5 = 562.5), be sure to send me a video of it because then I'll be impressed.

congrats on your success.

now getting back on topic, i'm not discrediting the "medical" studies per se. i'm discrediting your use and interpretation.


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[GermyBoy]

Oh? It's a bad idea to work out the same muscles everyday?

Shucks, you'd better tell that to the next runner/boxer/jock you see.

I used to work out all my muscles everyday but Sunday, and I was in a lot better shape. I could do way more reps at higher weights than I can now too, having cut back to every other day for time purposes.

 

[whaleskinrug]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Considering the fact that my metabolism has slowed down and I can still bench twice my weight places me in the top 2% of people who lift at my age. Of course it's a huge accomplishment, especially for a person who has never played football. I had to work harder than you'll ever know or experience to reach the level of success I've earned, and have been lifting more years than you've reached adulthood (10yrs) and are supposedly socially considered "a man".

Discounting any controlled medical study is like saying smoking isn't bad for you. Who cares how old it is as long as newer studies haven't negated the results... were the numerous studies from the 80's wrong when they reported that smoking was bad? You have alot to learn my friend. And for the record, I also weigh about the same as you (198 lbs). If you ever bench 2.5 times your weight, it would be around 560 lbs (225 adjusted weight since you'll have to pack on at least 20 more pounds of mass to lift this X2.5 = 562.5), be sure to send me a video of it because then I'll be impressed.

congrats on your success.

now getting back on topic, i'm not discrediting the "medical" studies per se. i'm discrediting your use and interpretation.


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well, what was your source for the idea to lift two days in a row? maybe that would help clarify. what reliable source actually advocates doing this?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: GermyBoy
Oh? It's a bad idea to work out the same muscles everyday?

Shucks, you'd better tell that to the next runner/boxer/jock you see.

I used to work out all my muscles everyday but Sunday, and I was in a lot better shape. I could do way more reps at higher weights than I can now too, having cut back to every other day for time purposes.

I think they are only talking about resistance training here, not CV.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: whaleskinrugArnold could do that because the steroids allowed faster recovery. Show me any natural lifter that is of any *real size* that would lift the same body part two days in a row -- many won't even go two days in a week

No doubt, I only work one body part once a week and give it 6 days of recovery... only exception would be abs, because mine tend to heal very fast. Might be different for others though...

Yes, abs tend to recover faster

ok people, is it so freaking hard to understand? body builders don't work out the same body part two consecutive days on a regular basic. however, they occasionally will pump out a double-day set (or some other irregular routine) to shock their muscles. IT OCCURS MORE OFTEN THAN YOU KNOW.

and no, you should not be working out abs back-to-back if you're working them out right. if you hop on the floor and pump out 200 crunches you're not doing anything to increase your ab strength. try doing some hard weight training on your abs with weight that allows you no more than 15 reps. pump out several sets while varrying exercises and we'll see if you're still able to work out abs back-to-back. they're just like any other muscle group, and are supposed to be sore the next day. if they aren't, you didn't work them out hard enough.


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[whaleskinrug]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: whaleskinrugArnold could do that because the steroids allowed faster recovery. Show me any natural lifter that is of any *real size* that would lift the same body part two days in a row -- many won't even go two days in a week

No doubt, I only work one body part once a week and give it 6 days of recovery... only exception would be abs, because mine tend to heal very fast. Might be different for others though...

Yes, abs tend to recover faster [/quote]

ok people, is it so freaking hard to understand? body builders don't work out the same body part two consecutive days on a regular basic. however, they occasionally will pump out a double-day set (or some other irregular routine) to shock their muscles. IT OCCURS MORE OFTEN THAN YOU KNOW.

and no, you should not be working out abs back-to-back if you're working them out right. if you hop on the floor and pump out 200 crunches you're not doing anything to increase your ab strength. try doing some hard weight training on your abs with weight that allows you no more than 15 reps. pump out several sets while varrying exercises and we'll see if you're still able to work out abs back-to-back. they're just like any other muscle group, and are supposed to be sore the next day. if they aren't, you didn't work them out hard enough.


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I'm really sorry but this is not true, especially the part about DOMS (soreness). No one said they work abs back to back. However, abs can be worked more than 1x week without the same drawbacks. Soreness has nothing to do with effectiveness of a workout. You still have not provided ANY evidence of a reputable source for your claims. "Bodybuilders", especially those who have not trained long, do all sorts of inefficent or counterprodcutive things and can still make some gains. It does not mean that they are training effectively or for maximum gains.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: GermyBoy
Oh? It's a bad idea to work out the same muscles everyday?

Shucks, you'd better tell that to the next runner/boxer/jock you see.

I used to work out all my muscles everyday but Sunday, and I was in a lot better shape. I could do way more reps at higher weights than I can now too, having cut back to every other day for time purposes.

I think they are only talking about resistance training here, not CV.

Yeah, probably resistance. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with working out the same body part twice a week, or do 20 sets for ONE body part (yes there is someone I know who does this). You will still build muscle and it's better than not going to the gym, it's just not the most efficient way.

I packed on about 20 pounds of muscle in the past 8 months by maximizing efficiency. I used and followed methods that have been tried and proven... supplemented like hell, also dieted and counted calories. I don't feel that I could have reached such gains by using another method, unless I was on roids (where you will gain no matter what you do, 1000 sets or 10 sets for a body part).

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: whaleskinrug

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Considering the fact that my metabolism has slowed down and I can still bench twice my weight places me in the top 2% of people who lift at my age. Of course it's a huge accomplishment, especially for a person who has never played football. I had to work harder than you'll ever know or experience to reach the level of success I've earned, and have been lifting more years than you've reached adulthood (10yrs) and are supposedly socially considered "a man".

Discounting any controlled medical study is like saying smoking isn't bad for you. Who cares how old it is as long as newer studies haven't negated the results... were the numerous studies from the 80's wrong when they reported that smoking was bad? You have alot to learn my friend. And for the record, I also weigh about the same as you (198 lbs). If you ever bench 2.5 times your weight, it would be around 560 lbs (225 adjusted weight since you'll have to pack on at least 20 more pounds of mass to lift this X2.5 = 562.5), be sure to send me a video of it because then I'll be impressed.

congrats on your success.

now getting back on topic, i'm not discrediting the "medical" studies per se. i'm discrediting your use and interpretation.


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well, what was your source for the idea to lift two days in a row? maybe that would help clarify. what reliable source actually advocates doing this?

i didn't get the idea from any one source. i've read about it in several fitness magazines and i've also followed by example. a couple of wrestling buddies of mine will periodically experience a plateau, they each use their own methods to shock their muscles, one specifically does the double-day set about once every 5 months on his shoulders and calves.

also, like several people have mentioned, arnold also performed the routine.


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[whaleskinrug]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: whaleskinrug

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Considering the fact that my metabolism has slowed down and I can still bench twice my weight places me in the top 2% of people who lift at my age. Of course it's a huge accomplishment, especially for a person who has never played football. I had to work harder than you'll ever know or experience to reach the level of success I've earned, and have been lifting more years than you've reached adulthood (10yrs) and are supposedly socially considered "a man".

Discounting any controlled medical study is like saying smoking isn't bad for you. Who cares how old it is as long as newer studies haven't negated the results... were the numerous studies from the 80's wrong when they reported that smoking was bad? You have alot to learn my friend. And for the record, I also weigh about the same as you (198 lbs). If you ever bench 2.5 times your weight, it would be around 560 lbs (225 adjusted weight since you'll have to pack on at least 20 more pounds of mass to lift this X2.5 = 562.5), be sure to send me a video of it because then I'll be impressed.

congrats on your success.

now getting back on topic, i'm not discrediting the "medical" studies per se. i'm discrediting your use and interpretation.


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well, what was your source for the idea to lift two days in a row? maybe that would help clarify. what reliable source actually advocates doing this?

i didn't get the idea from any one source. i've read about it in several fitness magazines and i've also followed by example. a couple of wrestling buddies of mine will periodically experience a plateau, they each use their own methods to shock their muscles, one specifically does the double-day set about once every 5 months on his shoulders and calves.

also, like several people have mentioned, arnold also performed the routine.


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so you're on steroids? if so, then you can probably lift every day but you will need to buy smaller underwear

 

[alkemyst]

i usually lift everyday when I am training hard....lately every other day is plenty.

The thing about the abs thing.....they are one of the quickest to recover muscles due to the fact that your body puts priority on them (since they protect your internal organs)...

If you overtrain abs your whole body gains go down the drain. There was a guy at the gym who was pretty well built but plateaued....he was demolishing his abs everyday with weights and reps.....one of the gurus told him to train abs every second day and see if he still plateaued.

The guy was getting gains again.....to me he still looked the same (one of the muscleheads in the gym)...

He was probably on steroids too as he was abnormally huge.

 

[dfi]

Hey, if it gives you that much satisfaction to workout biceps, more power to you. Personally, I haven't specifically train biceps in a long time. I'm not even sure it's made any difference whatsoever.

dfi