anybody work out biceps two days in a row?

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: KGB
Why would I want to "shock" my muscles? So as I age I will feel comfortable about the strecth marks? I personally have hit a plateau; I've been at 215 bench for 2.5 months. I am making up for it with doing my abs, back and calves. I don't want to be big, that's just me. I'm working on the V shape much more than becoming bulkier.

shocking your muscles = stretch marks??? i fail to see the connection. "shocking" your muscles does not mean that you wake up two days later and you've grown 3 inches on your biceps. what it does is that it allows you to experience the slow, constant, normal gains that you were experiencing before your plateau.


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[Zebo]

Originally posted by: KGB
What was the point? Don't you have other types of exercise to do? It's not counterproductive per-se, however you are prolonging the recovery of the muscle.

Odd day weight schedule for me:
M-W-F: Chest, tricep, hamstring, calf
T-Th-S: Bicep, shoulder, back, thighs, abs

It keeps in good order and I don't waste my energy all that much... ohh the forearms... well that's a secret

That's nice and vanilla.

Everyday.
Treadmill 6mph @ 6-10 degrees for 45 min..
Powercleans 1 @ 225x15, 2 @ 285 x 12 after treadmill
Situps (old style no PC back strain bullsh1t) 3 x 75
hanging pull ups wide grip 3x12


M and F
Upper body
T and T
Lower

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: theNEOone
just did it and i'm hurting........


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ditto..

owww

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: PunDogg
work till failure, then at the very LEAST 1 day of rest for that muslce group, and do like 3-4 execrises for a large muslce group [ex: quads, hams, back, chest] and 2-3 execrises for small muscle groups[ex:bis, tris, shoulders, calves]

Dogg

interesting...

 

[Spamela]

Originally posted by: Amused
Not a good idea. In fact, it's counter productive. You just negated ALL the work you did on the first day you worked them out when you worked the out the second day.

you just negated all the lifting you've every done in your life.

you're going to lose all your muscle tone &
your biceps are going to hang down like a swaybacked horse.

 

[KGB1]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: KGB
What was the point? Don't you have other types of exercise to do? It's not counterproductive per-se, however you are prolonging the recovery of the muscle.

Odd day weight schedule for me:
M-W-F: Chest, tricep, hamstring, calf
T-Th-S: Bicep, shoulder, back, thighs, abs

It keeps in good order and I don't waste my energy all that much... ohh the forearms... well that's a secret

That's nice and vanilla.

Everyday.
Treadmill 6mph @ 6-10 degrees for 45 min..
Powercleans 1 @ 225x15, 2 @ 285 x 12 after treadmill
Situps (old style no PC back strain bullsh1t) 3 x 75
hanging pull ups wide grip 3x12


M and F
Upper body
T and T
Lower

Why do you think I've hit a plataeu for? I'm constantly doing the same things. I want to run, I have class 8 am everyday and I leave my house at 5:30 to make it there with the bus/train

But you're freagin hardcore man, dips and pullups are where the "real" strength is at. I'm probably going to change my regiment after ramadan when I lose some weight because of the fast to include some cardio routines.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: KGB

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: KGB
What was the point? Don't you have other types of exercise to do? It's not counterproductive per-se, however you are prolonging the recovery of the muscle.

Odd day weight schedule for me:
M-W-F: Chest, tricep, hamstring, calf
T-Th-S: Bicep, shoulder, back, thighs, abs

It keeps in good order and I don't waste my energy all that much... ohh the forearms... well that's a secret

That's nice and vanilla.

Everyday.
Treadmill 6mph @ 6-10 degrees for 45 min..
Powercleans 1 @ 225x15, 2 @ 285 x 12 after treadmill
Situps (old style no PC back strain bullsh1t) 3 x 75
hanging pull ups wide grip 3x12


M and F
Upper body
T and T
Lower

Why do you think I've hit a plataeu for? I'm constantly doing the same things. I want to run, I have class 8 am everyday and I leave my house at 5:30 to make it there with the bus/train

But you're freagin hardcore man, dips and pullups are where the "real" strength is at. I'm probably going to change my regiment after ramadan when I lose some weight because of the fast to include some cardio routines.

I was almost killed in an accident and broke 14 bones about 12 years ago so I must keep my body in shape of the injuries come back to haunt me.. The main source of my intensity is from wreslting for 8 years during school age where your body is taxed to almost death.

The main thing you want to do to exceed a plataeu is work on more power moves and intesesity. For example If you regualry bench 225 throw 2 more plates on and make yourself do it. The mind is very powerful and a good spotter is essentail. Do powermoves like dead lift, powercleans, squats...

Another approach is total burn to break the plataeu ..Do as many dips as you can ...then immediatly use a bench on the ground with hands on bench and feet on ground and do more dips... then do 25 push ups.. Basically it should feel like someone just drove a knife though your triceps. fun fun fun

I'm going to the gym now...getting excited by talking about it

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: theNEOone
man, it's a good thing i don't get workout advice from you ATOT guys. i'm a strong guy. i have (by ATOT standards) a big chest, big arms, and big legs. i eat right, work out hard, and i do both regularly.

it seems that most of you haven't worked out hard or long enough to adopt some of the less used routines. after several months (and up to a year) individuals usually experience plateaus. i.e., week after week they're lifting the same weight, regardless of how hard they work out. during times like this it's necessary to give your muscles a "shock." there are various methods to shock your muscles into growth. typically they require some kind of unorthodox routine. for example, when i experience a plateau on chest, i'll only do incline exercises for 2-3 weeks, then go back to flat and decline bench. another of these "shock methods" is to work out the same group 2 days in a row, like what i just finished doing.

you know, for some things this board is extremely resourceful, but when it comes to other things (i.e. girls, working out, etc) the majority of you guys don't know sh!t.

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Right buddy. When you can bench double your weight, rep leg press 950+ come talk to me, and take 4 or more supplements then you can say we "don't know sh!t". Until then, keep working the bi's 2 days in a row, why not try three? That would really "shock" em. lol.

 

[Zebo]

SP33Demon-What do I need to take for more energy? I'm 33...and find myself pooped after about 1.5 hours and sometimes can't even continue my excercise? My workout partner is only 24...I just hate letting him down ...in addition to remembering how it used to be.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Amused
Not a good idea. In fact, it's counter productive. You just negated ALL the work you did on the first day you worked them out when you worked the out the second day.

I wonder if this is completely true. Is there a study that confirms this? Because if you work a muscle, then work it again the next day, that gave it 24 hours to increase blood flow, start using aminos to rebuild, and replenish it's glucose store - so maybe by working it again the next day before it's relaxed again, you work the muscle fibers better for a deeper rebuild?

 

[Aharami]

dumass

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: theNEOone
man, it's a good thing i don't get workout advice from you ATOT guys. i'm a strong guy. i have (by ATOT standards) a big chest, big arms, and big legs. i eat right, work out hard, and i do both regularly.

it seems that most of you haven't worked out hard or long enough to adopt some of the less used routines. after several months (and up to a year) individuals usually experience plateaus. i.e., week after week they're lifting the same weight, regardless of how hard they work out. during times like this it's necessary to give your muscles a "shock." there are various methods to shock your muscles into growth. typically they require some kind of unorthodox routine. for example, when i experience a plateau on chest, i'll only do incline exercises for 2-3 weeks, then go back to flat and decline bench. another of these "shock methods" is to work out the same group 2 days in a row, like what i just finished doing.

you know, for some things this board is extremely resourceful, but when it comes to other things (i.e. girls, working out, etc) the majority of you guys don't know sh!t.

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Right buddy. When you can bench double your weight, rep leg press 950+ come talk to me, and take 4 or more supplements then you can say we "don't know sh!t". Until then, keep working the bi's 2 days in a row, why not try three? That would really "shock" em. lol.

i can bench 800 pounds, squat 3000lbs, and i actually synthesize nitrotech in my basement you schmuck.

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[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Amused
Not a good idea. In fact, it's counter productive. You just negated ALL the work you did on the first day you worked them out when you worked the out the second day.

I wonder if this is completely true. Is there a study that confirms this? Because if you work a muscle, then work it again the next day, that gave it 24 hours to increase blood flow, start using aminos to rebuild, and replenish it's glucose store - so maybe by working it again the next day before it's relaxed again, you work the muscle fibers better for a deeper rebuild?

it doesn't matter whether or not i negated the gains from my first day. i'm not looking to gain mass on a workout-to-workout basis. the point here is to get bigger and stronger over the long run. who gives a flying fvck if i wasted one day? the point was to surpass my plateau. any losses i experience are far outweighed by long term gains.


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[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Zebo
SP33Demon-What do I need to take for more energy? I'm 33...and find myself pooped after about 1.5 hours and sometimes can't even continue my excercise? My workout partner is only 24...I just hate letting him down ...in addition to remembering how it used to be.

Hi Zebo, for more energy I would recommend an E/C/A stack, i.e. ephedra/caffeine/aspirin... I'm trying out Xenadrine EFX (ephedra free) and it's not really working much, as I detail here.

Energy is a tough one, just getting more sleep could be the cause of low energy, but it's usually a combination of that with a bad diet. Do you eat healthy? Get your 7-8 hrs sleep a night?

On a sidenote, I usually never work out more than 1 hour and 15 minutes each body building session, and could probably get in and out in less than an hour if I didn't socialize with friends. Although I do have friends who work out for 2 hours+, I don't really see them building much muscle. If you want to learn more about hour or less workouts, I'd recommend this site. I follow their principles of lifting 2-3 sets per exercise, reaching muscle fatigue on 4-6 rep range. Basically, you have to lift alot heavier than traditional programs, but AST boasts a 4 time and 3 time Team Universe champion so you know their methods do work.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Amused
Not a good idea. In fact, it's counter productive. You just negated ALL the work you did on the first day you worked them out when you worked the out the second day.

I wonder if this is completely true. Is there a study that confirms this? Because if you work a muscle, then work it again the next day, that gave it 24 hours to increase blood flow, start using aminos to rebuild, and replenish it's glucose store - so maybe by working it again the next day before it's relaxed again, you work the muscle fibers better for a deeper rebuild?

Here is a study done at Appalachian State University.

"Pervious research has shown that athletes who train twice a day run a high risk of overtraining. This research showed that training twice a day for a prolonged period of time will produce high amounts of the chemicals that cause inflammation and tear down muscle tissue."

EDIT: Another study published in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 33:568-575, 2001.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: theNEOone
man, it's a good thing i don't get workout advice from you ATOT guys. i'm a strong guy. i have (by ATOT standards) a big chest, big arms, and big legs. i eat right, work out hard, and i do both regularly.

it seems that most of you haven't worked out hard or long enough to adopt some of the less used routines. after several months (and up to a year) individuals usually experience plateaus. i.e., week after week they're lifting the same weight, regardless of how hard they work out. during times like this it's necessary to give your muscles a "shock." there are various methods to shock your muscles into growth. typically they require some kind of unorthodox routine. for example, when i experience a plateau on chest, i'll only do incline exercises for 2-3 weeks, then go back to flat and decline bench. another of these "shock methods" is to work out the same group 2 days in a row, like what i just finished doing.

you know, for some things this board is extremely resourceful, but when it comes to other things (i.e. girls, working out, etc) the majority of you guys don't know sh!t.

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Right buddy. When you can bench double your weight, rep leg press 950+ come talk to me, and take 4 or more supplements then you can say we "don't know sh!t". Until then, keep working the bi's 2 days in a row, why not try three? That would really "shock" em. lol.

i can bench 800 pounds, squat 3000lbs, and i actually synthesize nitrotech in my basement you schmuck.

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Hit a nerve I see. Why would you even bother replying? We "don't know sh!t' because we're all nerdy 15 year olds whose idea of working out is hauling the new Dell server up the stairs and into our rooms.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: theNEOone
man, it's a good thing i don't get workout advice from you ATOT guys. i'm a strong guy. i have (by ATOT standards) a big chest, big arms, and big legs. i eat right, work out hard, and i do both regularly.

it seems that most of you haven't worked out hard or long enough to adopt some of the less used routines. after several months (and up to a year) individuals usually experience plateaus. i.e., week after week they're lifting the same weight, regardless of how hard they work out. during times like this it's necessary to give your muscles a "shock." there are various methods to shock your muscles into growth. typically they require some kind of unorthodox routine. for example, when i experience a plateau on chest, i'll only do incline exercises for 2-3 weeks, then go back to flat and decline bench. another of these "shock methods" is to work out the same group 2 days in a row, like what i just finished doing.

you know, for some things this board is extremely resourceful, but when it comes to other things (i.e. girls, working out, etc) the majority of you guys don't know sh!t.

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Right buddy. When you can bench double your weight, rep leg press 950+ come talk to me, and take 4 or more supplements then you can say we "don't know sh!t". Until then, keep working the bi's 2 days in a row, why not try three? That would really "shock" em. lol.

i can bench 800 pounds, squat 3000lbs, and i actually synthesize nitrotech in my basement you schmuck.

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Hit a nerve I see. Why would you even bother replying? We "don't know sh!t' because we're all nerdy 15 year olds whose idea of working out is hauling the new Dell server up the stairs and into our rooms.

well i guess not all of us here are nerds.....let me spell it out for you. substitute my previous response with the following: "talk is cheap." understand that one, cool guy?

oh, and those studies you linked to are completely irrelevant to the issue at hand, although i guess i'd expect that coming from you. i worked out biceps two consecutive days, once. those studies refer to individuals exercising twice a day for prolonged periods of time.


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[Konigin]

No, I wait one day before working any muscle again, so every other day.

 

[idNut]

Originally posted by: FFactory0x
you idiot. Wait at least 4 days to work same body part

4 days?

 

[jjyiz28]

you know whats funny for me?? i was on a plateua, was working out like 6x/week. since i got a job, working out like 2x/week at best. for like 3months. now that im out of job, been going 6x/week , and im stronger now, getting small gains on all body parts, except legs. =(

oh yea, also when i was working, i started up smoking cigs. since being fired, i stilll smoke.

so smoke + prolonged rest = gains. heheheh

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Zebo
SP33Demon-What do I need to take for more energy? I'm 33...and find myself pooped after about 1.5 hours and sometimes can't even continue my excercise? My workout partner is only 24...I just hate letting him down ...in addition to remembering how it used to be.

Hi Zebo, for more energy I would recommend an E/C/A stack, i.e. ephedra/caffeine/aspirin... I'm trying out Xenadrine EFX (ephedra free) and it's not really working much, as I detail here.

Energy is a tough one, just getting more sleep could be the cause of low energy, but it's usually a combination of that with a bad diet. Do you eat healthy? Get your 7-8 hrs sleep a night?

On a sidenote, I usually never work out more than 1 hour and 15 minutes each body building session, and could probably get in and out in less than an hour if I didn't socialize with friends. Although I do have friends who work out for 2 hours+, I don't really see them building much muscle. If you want to learn more about hour or less workouts, I'd recommend this site. I follow their principles of lifting 2-3 sets per exercise, reaching muscle fatigue on 4-6 rep range. Basically, you have to lift alot heavier than traditional programs, but AST boasts a 4 time and 3 time Team Universe champion so you know their methods do work.

I eat good (brown rice, vegetables, chicken etc) when people are watching but have a penchant for 1/2 gallons of bryers ice cream (mint chocolate chip if anyones asking):Q And I sleep 3 hours sometimes 4 but i can't make myself sleep anymore unless I take an allergy pill but then I'm really no good the next day.. So yes this might be it no? Damn need to fiqure out how to sleep more but time is a problem. I get up at 4 and do bed around 12 or 1 depending if a good movie is on or not... But anyway I'm very alert all day just the workout I poop.

My workout needs to be 2+ hours because I do 45 min of cardio so it's really the same as yours plus cardio time.. I do high reps 12-15 for 4-5 sets which includes a warmup...because I don't care about mass just want to maintain muscles and I'm resonably strong for my size already. (certainly can't bench 2x my weight like you though)

Ya I remember doing 4-6 reps when about 13-17 yrs old.. and I balloned like a body builder because I'm a real fast gainer..did'nt like it/ Felt too big and bloated so I must do high reps low weight which takes more time...

Anyway maybe I'll get off computer and crash and try your cocktail tomorrow..Theres a GNC inside my gym but I never trust these people cuz they tried to push everything under the sun when i went in there.. Maybe they have it.

 

[Nutdotnet]

I love the "shock" routine...hahahaha....FOR ME TO POOP ON!

What is this crap about "shocking" your muscles?!?!?! I don't care if you bench 800lbs and squat 3000 this whole idea behind shocking is a load of bullsh*t.

Don't get me wrong, I know full well about plateaus but working your biceps two days in a row is not the answer bud. Changing exercises, changing reps, and changing weight is the key to getting over the plateau. I guess if you want to call that shocking a muscle group then that's cool, but I don't care what you say. Working the same muscle group two days in a row IS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. Your muscles grow outside of the gym, not while you are working out.

theNEOone- That is some DAMN impressive weight. What are your stats? You must be a damn huge guy with tree-truns. Seriously, you into powerlifting? Because I doubt you are a bodybuilder. 3000lb squat?!?! Jeebus, that's AWESOME man! Keep it up, but stop the 2-day in a row thing. HAHA

EDIT- Ok, I just looked at your website, if that is you...either pictures are deceiving or you are embellishing your weight totals immensly bud.

 

[BD231]

Just go with what feels right man, I've worked the same muscle group 2 days in a row at times and of course I take my breaks, but if you feel up to it go for it.

You'll usually crap out before you complete your normal amount of reps anyway and your not negating anything by doing it(unless your anal enough to care about a few extra days of rest), just don't make a habbit out of it (I doubt you'll be able to keep up the work load if your working out hard).

The best way to get bigger is to KILL yourself each workout then rest 1 to 2 days.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: theNEOone
man, it's a good thing i don't get workout advice from you ATOT guys. i'm a strong guy. i have (by ATOT standards) a big chest, big arms, and big legs. i eat right, work out hard, and i do both regularly.

it seems that most of you haven't worked out hard or long enough to adopt some of the less used routines. after several months (and up to a year) individuals usually experience plateaus. i.e., week after week they're lifting the same weight, regardless of how hard they work out. during times like this it's necessary to give your muscles a "shock." there are various methods to shock your muscles into growth. typically they require some kind of unorthodox routine. for example, when i experience a plateau on chest, i'll only do incline exercises for 2-3 weeks, then go back to flat and decline bench. another of these "shock methods" is to work out the same group 2 days in a row, like what i just finished doing.

you know, for some things this board is extremely resourceful, but when it comes to other things (i.e. girls, working out, etc) the majority of you guys don't know sh!t.

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Right buddy. When you can bench double your weight, rep leg press 950+ come talk to me, and take 4 or more supplements then you can say we "don't know sh!t". Until then, keep working the bi's 2 days in a row, why not try three? That would really "shock" em. lol.

i can bench 800 pounds, squat 3000lbs, and i actually synthesize nitrotech in my basement you schmuck.

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Hit a nerve I see. Why would you even bother replying? We "don't know sh!t' because we're all nerdy 15 year olds whose idea of working out is hauling the new Dell server up the stairs and into our rooms.

well i guess not all of us here are nerds.....let me spell it out for you. substitute my previous response with the following: "talk is cheap." understand that one, cool guy?

oh, and those studies you linked to are completely irrelevant to the issue at hand, although i guess i'd expect that coming from you. i worked out biceps two consecutive days, once. those studies refer to individuals exercising twice a day for prolonged periods of time.


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From the second study: "However, for building muscle, training twice a day may not necessarily equate to greater gains. Norwegian scientists at their country's National Sports Center have recently examined the hormonal responses of athletes that train twice a day. One very interesting finding (published in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 33:568-575, 2001) was that the second workout of the day produced an exaggerated response in the catabolic hormones epinephrine, norepinephrine, and cortisol." Nowhere on this website does it say that this study was conducted under "Prolonged" periods of time. Did you even read the link?

Talk is cheap, lol. We dont' know "sh!t". Like I said man, once you can bench double your body weight then come talk to me. Your knowledge of bodybuilding is blatantly lacking... I recommend reading up on AST's site, then you wouldn't have to post topics such as this.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: BD231
Just go with what feels right man, I've worked the same muscle group 2 days in a row at times and of course I take my breaks, but if you feel up to it go for it.

You'll usually crap out before you complete your normal amount of reps anyway and your not negating anything by doing it, just don't make a habbit out of it (I doubt you'll be able to keep up the work load if your working out hard).

The best way to get bigger is to KILL yourself each workout then rest 1 to 2 days.

The best way to get bigger is to EAT....EAT.....EAT.....and work hard.