Anybody watching NJ and VA?

[SteveGrabowski]

Surprising how many people, evangelicals for instance, are willing to overlook his personal flaws because they feel he supports their agenda.

What's surprising that white evangelicals are often shitbags? The Southern Baptists were created specifically in support of slavery.

 

[brandonbull]

Nope! I’m talking about the party that attempted a coup.

A president can be impeached and removed for any reason or essentially no reason if enough of Congress votes for it. Now we both know Trump was 100% guilty both times but Republicans are too partisan to put the country first.

Regardless, impeachment and how the democrats conducted it was entirely legal. Attempting to get the election overturned? Not so legal. If you were a moral person you would use this opportunity to jettison the GOP. Unsurprisingly, you are not.

Well dipshit, that's a coup. Using fake evidence as the basis for an investigation which in turn is used as the basis for an impeachment in an effort to remove a duly elected President, that's a coup. Calling for a President elect to be impeached, that's a coup. You might want to rerun the numbers on Trump's guilt. Joe Biden and the Progressheviks are the guilty ones and scumbags like yourself are complicit morons supporting that treasonous gang of crooks.

 

[VW MAN]

Well dipshit, that's a coup. Using fake evidence as the basis for an investigation which in turn is used as the basis for an impeachment in an effort to remove a duly elected President, that's a coup. Calling for a President elect to be impeached, that's a coup. You might want to rerun the numbers on Trump's guilt. Joe Biden and the Progressheviks are the guilty ones and scumbags like yourself are complicit morons supporting that treasonous gang of crooks.

Hey dumbfuck congress exercising constitutional powers is not a coup...not now, then or ever! But of course morons who suck trumps dick hourly wont comprehend that. Go fuck yourself traitor!

 

[compcons]

Well dipshit, that's a coup. Using fake evidence as the basis for an investigation which in turn is used as the basis for an impeachment in an effort to remove a duly elected President, that's a coup. Calling for a President elect to be impeached, that's a coup. You might want to rerun the numbers on Trump's guilt. Joe Biden and the Progressheviks are the guilty ones and scumbags like yourself are complicit morons supporting that treasonous gang of crooks.

There is a palpable irony of you talking about a lack of evidence in a process that the spineless Republicans intentionally refused to hear any evidence. You probably won't recognize it, but trust me, it's ironic.

 

[MrSquished]

Well dipshit, that's a coup. Using fake evidence as the basis for an investigation which in turn is used as the basis for an impeachment in an effort to remove a duly elected President, that's a coup. Calling for a President elect to be impeached, that's a coup. You might want to rerun the numbers on Trump's guilt. Joe Biden and the Progressheviks are the guilty ones and scumbags like yourself are complicit morons supporting that treasonous gang of crooks.

This is how Brandontrash is telling us he was in Dallas this week waiting for the revival of JFK without telling us he was in Dallas waiting for the rebirth of JFK

 

[imported_tajmahal]

First, Democrats are highly likely to win NJ.

Second, while it is likely that the Democrats lose seats in Congress and it’s likely the GOP will control one or both chambers the idea of GOP supermajorities in Congress means that for the senate you think Democrats will lose 10 of the 14 seats they have up for election, all of which are in states Trump lost. This also would need to involve a GOP pickup in Hawaii, Vermont, California, New York, or Maryland. This is…extremely unlikely.

You’re doing the thing again where you love being panicked and depressed so much that no matter what the circumstances are you invent some reason to be. What’s up with that? Is being sad that much fun?

The Republicans picked up one of those House seats in Tuesdays election, they now have 213 in the House. Sen . Warnnock is a likely Senate loss for Democrats with Hershel Walker running against him. Sen. Masto of Nevada is another likely loss against Adam Laxalt. Look for Sununu to win against Senator Hassan in New Hampshire, especially with the Democrats polling trending how it is.

 

[Zorba]

Hmm, weird "extra" votes didn't just magically appear overnight in VA like in previous elections, LOL.

Amazing how that happens when there aren't state laws banning early processing of mail in and early votes.

 

[fskimospy]

Well dipshit, that's a coup. Using fake evidence as the basis for an investigation which in turn is used as the basis for an impeachment in an effort to remove a duly elected President, that's a coup. Calling for a President elect to be impeached, that's a coup. You might want to rerun the numbers on Trump's guilt. Joe Biden and the Progressheviks are the guilty ones and scumbags like yourself are complicit morons supporting that treasonous gang of crooks.

Sorry friend, that’s the constitution. If you don’t like it you’re free to change it. Impeaching a president for any reason is how it was designed.

What ISN’T in the constitution though is the president threatening election officials with prison if they don’t falsify election returns on his behalf and fomenting a violent insurrection when they wouldn’t.

I don’t get it - why are you so invested with your political sports team that you’ll support them even in a coup? Don’t you like America more than you like republicans?

 

[fskimospy]

Hmm, weird "extra" votes didn't just magically appear overnight in VA like in previous elections, LOL.

As a non-political guy you’re probably really angry at conservatives for making false accusations that the election was rigged, right?

Just wanted to confirm because we both know you play it down the middle.

 

[cytg111]

Probably because the last people that should end up in power are the ones that try for it. I vote we code an AI to make another AI that runs everything.

I dont dismiss half of that idea at all.

 

[HomerJS]

Well dipshit, that's a coup. Using fake evidence as the basis for an investigation which in turn is used as the basis for an impeachment in an effort to remove a duly elected President, that's a coup. Calling for a President elect to be impeached, that's a coup. You might want to rerun the numbers on Trump's guilt. Joe Biden and the Progressheviks are the guilty ones and scumbags like yourself are complicit morons supporting that treasonous gang of crooks.

You are against taking legal action based on phony evidence? Care to retract all the new voting law changes in all those red states based on the election being stolen from Trump?

 

[MrSquished]

Sorry friend, that’s the constitution. If you don’t like it you’re free to change it. Impeaching a president for any reason is how it was designed.

What ISN’T in the constitution though is the president threatening election officials with prison if they don’t falsify election returns on his behalf and fomenting a violent insurrection when they wouldn’t.

I don’t get it - why are you so invested with your political sports team that you’ll support them even in a coup? Don’t you like America more than you like republicans?

Republicans only care about power and nothing else. They are corrupt evil people. They showed their hand these last couple years and they care only about power, constitution and democracy be damned.

 

[JTsyo]

Well dipshit, that's a coup. Using fake evidence as the basis for an investigation which in turn is used as the basis for an impeachment in an effort to remove a duly elected President, that's a coup. Calling for a President elect to be impeached, that's a coup. You might want to rerun the numbers on Trump's guilt. Joe Biden and the Progressheviks are the guilty ones and scumbags like yourself are complicit morons supporting that treasonous gang of crooks.

How would it be a coup when the person that would take over, Pence, would be the same party as the one removed? Why is that when Republicans are caught doing something worng they try to claim the Democrats also do it, instead of admitting these things shouldn't be done at all?

 

[cytg111]

Because words are hard.

 

[sportage]

Again, Fox News is hilarious. They just can’t get over that a republican won in Virginia. Fox is already talking about presidential candidate Youngkin. You’d think Youngkin had invented sliced bread, or discovered fire, but we all know what Youngkin really did was discover the earth is flat, and that hitler is alive and well, and black people are scary.

 

[hal2kilo]

This analysis pretty much aligns with my take of the problems with the Virginia Dems.

Progressives bare teeth after election debacle - POLITICO

Their message: Blame the moderates in charge, not us.


Their emboldened stance in the wake of the devastating loss for Democrats in Virginia, as well as setbacks in New Jersey, Minneapolis and Buffalo, N.Y., suggests that progressives will not change course ahead of the 2022 midterms — even as the GOP vows to anchor a comeback around critical race theory.
Instead, the left is determined to win the battle over the narrative of 2021, the outcome of which could help shape how Democrats campaign next year. They argue that in order to both inspire the party base and win over swing voters like suburban women, Democrats need to pass bold policies such as paid parental leave, prescription drug reform and Medicare expansion. And they point out that neither Virginia Democrat Terry McAuliffe, nor President Joe Biden, come from their camp.
“No matter whether or not you run a progressive, no matter whether progressives had any influence at all in the campaign strategy, somehow it is the reaction of some in the party to find a progressive to blame when things don't go well,” said Leah Greenberg, co-executive director of Indivisible, a prominent liberal advocacy group, on Wednesday. “What we saw last night is that the assumed safe candidate is not necessarily a safe candidate, and at some point people have to look and take accountability for their assumptions themselves.”

 

[ondma]

This analysis pretty much aligns with my take of the problems with the Virginia Dems.

Progressives bare teeth after election debacle - POLITICO

Their message: Blame the moderates in charge, not us.


Their emboldened stance in the wake of the devastating loss for Democrats in Virginia, as well as setbacks in New Jersey, Minneapolis and Buffalo, N.Y., suggests that progressives will not change course ahead of the 2022 midterms — even as the GOP vows to anchor a comeback around critical race theory.
Instead, the left is determined to win the battle over the narrative of 2021, the outcome of which could help shape how Democrats campaign next year. They argue that in order to both inspire the party base and win over swing voters like suburban women, Democrats need to pass bold policies such as paid parental leave, prescription drug reform and Medicare expansion. And they point out that neither Virginia Democrat Terry McAuliffe, nor President Joe Biden, come from their camp.
“No matter whether or not you run a progressive, no matter whether progressives had any influence at all in the campaign strategy, somehow it is the reaction of some in the party to find a progressive to blame when things don't go well,” said Leah Greenberg, co-executive director of Indivisible, a prominent liberal advocacy group, on Wednesday. “What we saw last night is that the assumed safe candidate is not necessarily a safe candidate, and at some point people have to look and take accountability for their assumptions themselves.”

Not sure what you mean about Minneapolis. In the last election, a relatively mainstream Democrat won the mayoral race, and a moderate democrat defeated a more liberal one who wanted to defund the police in my district for the city council. If you are talking about the more radical dems getting defeated, (or thier policies failing the vote) they yes you are correct.

 

[manly]

This is it imo. There is lots of anger churning under the surface. Ds are in power now, so they will get the brunt of the house cleaning, then Rs will come back, also prove useless, and then get driven out of office as the cycle turns.

Granted, the Ds have been particularly feckless since taking office... So a big reconning is coming.

They just needed to pass a bill to fix the roads, not F with anyone's taxes, and get COVID and the supply chain issues under control... and they failing utterly.

Forget about getting outplayed on the social issue bullshit *once again*

Your post seems about half right. I read some Op-Ed that said Biden has turned into a relatively progressive President (on policy), when he ran as an establishment moderate who could and would "cross the aisle." But the BIF bill is all about moderation and bipartisan consensus. I agree it's must-pass legislation before the GOP bails and you end up with nothing.

On taxes, it's fairly clear the Trump tax cuts were nonsense policy (blow up the deficit when eff. corporate rates were on a multi-decade decline); and some of them should be reverted. I don't know why you feel otherwise, but apparently a lot of Democrat legislators are scared and don't want to touch corporate tax rates.

Finally, COVID and the supply-chain issues are related (the former birthed the latter). I don't know how POTUS has executive power to get those "under control." The Biden administration has done everything in its power to push vaccinations, and approx. 1/4 of Americans are refuseniks. Pandemic fatigue is very real, but the majority of citizens "returning to normal" without all the health conditions for normalcy is doomed to fail (in the short term). Biden is trying to alleviate port congestion by going to 24/7 operation, but the longshoremen's union has something to say about that. A problem like the chips shortage will literally take a year or more to resolve, and virtually none of the production is domestic.

In short, I personally think 2022 is the year the pandemic truly recedes in the U.S. but it's largely out of the President's hands at this point. He can have OSHA mandate vaccinations to speed up the process, but ironically that's politically fraught. All the available evidence is that hard mandates work really well, so it's probably worth doing anyway. You're right to point out there's a lot of anger in the electorate and some decided to manifest it on Tuesday, but IMHO saying that Democrats have failed to govern effectively is misguided. I'm not saying certain tactical or strategic mistakes haven't been made, because see Biden's approval ratings.

This analysis pretty much aligns with my take of the problems with the Virginia Dems.

Progressives bare teeth after election debacle - POLITICO

Their message: Blame the moderates in charge, not us.


Their emboldened stance in the wake of the devastating loss for Democrats in Virginia, as well as setbacks in New Jersey, Minneapolis and Buffalo, N.Y., suggests that progressives will not change course ahead of the 2022 midterms — even as the GOP vows to anchor a comeback around critical race theory.
Instead, the left is determined to win the battle over the narrative of 2021, the outcome of which could help shape how Democrats campaign next year. They argue that in order to both inspire the party base and win over swing voters like suburban women, Democrats need to pass bold policies such as paid parental leave, prescription drug reform and Medicare expansion. And they point out that neither Virginia Democrat Terry McAuliffe, nor President Joe Biden, come from their camp.
“No matter whether or not you run a progressive, no matter whether progressives had any influence at all in the campaign strategy, somehow it is the reaction of some in the party to find a progressive to blame when things don't go well,” said Leah Greenberg, co-executive director of Indivisible, a prominent liberal advocacy group, on Wednesday. “What we saw last night is that the assumed safe candidate is not necessarily a safe candidate, and at some point people have to look and take accountability for their assumptions themselves.”

I disagree with this narrative. There's zero evidence to suggest that if BBB was passed a month ago, that Virginia's voters would have lauded Democrats for getting work done and rewarded McAuliffe at the polls. If the progressive caucus thinks that passing BBB will prevent a 2022 midterms bloodbath, they're A) underestimating Joe Manchin's recalcitrance and B) not properly "reading the room." It's probably not causal but if you look back in history, passing major legislation does not prevent or even moderate midterm losses for the President's party.

 

[K1052]

Finally, COVID and the supply-chain issues are related (the former birthed the latter). I don't know how POTUS has executive power to get those "under control." The Biden administration has done everything in its power to push vaccinations, and approx. 1/4 of Americans are refuseniks. Pandemic fatigue is very real, but the majority of citizens "returning to normal" without all the health conditions for normalcy is doomed to fail (in the short term). Biden is trying to alleviate port congestion by going to 24/7 operation, but the longshoremen's union has something to say about that. A problem like the chips shortage will literally take a year or more to resolve, and virtually none of the production is domestic.

One of the Trumpist talking points was that there were no supply chain issues when he was president and lol you have to have memory holed the entirety of 2020 to make that particular claim. Or I guess nobody remembers the great Toilet Paper Panic, the Lumber Crisis, etc.

The supply chain just can't handle massive shifts in demand easily and that's what we've been seeing. Next will be a glut of products because everybody over ordered and the populace is shifting spending to experiences and services.

The available moves of any president are rather limited in this area.

 

[Bitek]

Your post seems about half right. I read some Op-Ed that said Biden has turned into a relatively progressive President (on policy), when he ran as an establishment moderate who could and would "cross the aisle." But the BIF bill is all about moderation and bipartisan consensus. I agree it's must-pass legislation before the GOP bails and you end up with nothing.

On taxes, it's fairly clear the Trump tax cuts were nonsense policy (blow up the deficit when eff. corporate rates were on a multi-decade decline); and some of them should be reverted. I don't know why you feel otherwise, but apparently a lot of Democrat legislators are scared and don't want to touch corporate tax rates.

Finally, COVID and the supply-chain issues are related (the former birthed the latter). I don't know how POTUS has executive power to get those "under control." The Biden administration has done everything in its power to push vaccinations, and approx. 1/4 of Americans are refuseniks. Pandemic fatigue is very real, but the majority of citizens "returning to normal" without all the health conditions for normalcy is doomed to fail (in the short term). Biden is trying to alleviate port congestion by going to 24/7 operation, but the longshoremen's union has something to say about that. A problem like the chips shortage will literally take a year or more to resolve, and virtually none of the production is domestic.

In short, I personally think 2022 is the year the pandemic truly recedes in the U.S. but it's largely out of the President's hands at this point. He can have OSHA mandate vaccinations to speed up the process, but ironically that's politically fraught. All the available evidence is that hard mandates work really well, so it's probably worth doing anyway. You're right to point out there's a lot of anger in the electorate and some decided to manifest it on Tuesday, but IMHO saying that Democrats have failed to govern effectively is misguided. I'm not saying certain tactical or strategic mistakes haven't been made, because see Biden's approval ratings.


I disagree with this narrative. There's zero evidence to suggest that if BBB was passed a month ago, that Virginia's voters would have lauded Democrats for getting work done and rewarded McAuliffe at the polls. If the progressive caucus thinks that passing BBB will prevent a 2022 midterms bloodbath, they're A) underestimating Joe Manchin's recalcitrance and B) not properly "reading the room." It's probably not causal but if you look back in history, passing major legislation does not prevent or even moderate midterm losses for the President's party.

I don't disagree about Corp tax rates. My beef is raising income tax rates on wage earners (even if ~well off) when all the country's wealth is locked up by a very small number of ultra rich, as well as large rich companies paying nothing (eg Bezos and Amazon.)

Ds going after property taxes, gas taxes, top income rates all the while skipping over the billionaires is absurd policy and bad politics.

 

[MrSquished]

I don't disagree about Corp tax rates. My beef is raising income tax rates on wage earners (even if ~well off) when all the country's wealth is locked up by a very small number of ultra rich, as well as large rich companies paying nothing (eg Bezos and Amazon.)

Ds going after property taxes, gas taxes, top income rates all the while skipping over the billionaires is absurd policy and bad politics.

The Dems tried for a targeted tax on only the 400 richest families. But the fuckers that are Manchin and Sinema are against these things.

 

[manly]

The Dems tried for a targeted tax on only the 400 richest families. But the fuckers that are Manchin and Sinema are against these things.

I thought that Sinema had rejected higher marginal income tax rates for top 1%, so BBB has pivoted to a "wealth tax" on unrealized capital gains??

 

[Bitek]

Your post seems about half right. I read some Op-Ed that said Biden has turned into a relatively progressive President (on policy), when he ran as an establishment moderate who could and would "cross the aisle." But the BIF bill is all about moderation and bipartisan consensus. I agree it's must-pass legislation before the GOP bails and you end up with nothing.

On taxes, it's fairly clear the Trump tax cuts were nonsense policy (blow up the deficit when eff. corporate rates were on a multi-decade decline); and some of them should be reverted. I don't know why you feel otherwise, but apparently a lot of Democrat legislators are scared and don't want to touch corporate tax rates.

Finally, COVID and the supply-chain issues are related (the former birthed the latter). I don't know how POTUS has executive power to get those "under control." The Biden administration has done everything in its power to push vaccinations, and approx. 1/4 of Americans are refuseniks. Pandemic fatigue is very real, but the majority of citizens "returning to normal" without all the health conditions for normalcy is doomed to fail (in the short term). Biden is trying to alleviate port congestion by going to 24/7 operation, but the longshoremen's union has something to say about that. A problem like the chips shortage will literally take a year or more to resolve, and virtually none of the production is domestic.

In short, I personally think 2022 is the year the pandemic truly recedes in the U.S. but it's largely out of the President's hands at this point. He can have OSHA mandate vaccinations to speed up the process, but ironically that's politically fraught. All the available evidence is that hard mandates work really well, so it's probably worth doing anyway. You're right to point out there's a lot of anger in the electorate and some decided to manifest it on Tuesday, but IMHO saying that Democrats have failed to govern effectively is misguided. I'm not saying certain tactical or strategic mistakes haven't been made, because see Biden's approval ratings.


I disagree with this narrative. There's zero evidence to suggest that if BBB was passed a month ago, that Virginia's voters would have lauded Democrats for getting work done and rewarded McAuliffe at the polls. If the progressive caucus thinks that passing BBB will prevent a 2022 midterms bloodbath, they're A) underestimating Joe Manchin's recalcitrance and B) not properly "reading the room." It's probably not causal but if you look back in history, passing major legislation does not prevent or even moderate midterm losses for the President's party.

Also, there are plenty of choices in Biden's bag of tools to confront the supply chain issues.

Problem is the Ds are standing on the sidelines passively complaining it's covid's fault and they can't do anything.

Nobody wants to hear it. They are in charge, fix it or GTFO.

Fuck the longshoreman and their work slowdown. These crane operators make $200k and take their sweet ass time unloading. They are constantly screwing over the truckers, and if any complain, they blacklist them.

Meanwhile, scores of ships full of goods are sitting waiting.

Reagan busted the flight controllers, Biden could do the same thing and the public would back him.

What do you think Trump would do? For all his lying, cheating and stupidity, people voted for him to be the tough guy because voters think Ds are weak. Don't prove them right.

I could go on and on, but it's Ds choice to make. What they can't do is whine and play the victim. They wanted power, got it, now use it.

 

[K1052]

Fuck the longshoreman and their work slowdown. These crane operators make $200k and take their sweet ass time unloading. They are constantly screwing over the truckers, and if any complain, they blacklist them.

Meanwhile, scores of ships full of goods are sitting waiting.

The longshoremen, while questionably powerful, aren't really the problem this time. Cranes are moving slow because the piers are full because warehouses are full and because empties are piled up both on the ground and on chassis because the shipping lines are sailing back to Asia without many of them. Worse the empties belong to each line so aren't interchangeable. Warehouse vacancy in the Inland Empire is at 0.7%. Rail containers are getting out in 2-3 days (relatively normal) while truck containers are getting out in 9-10 (not normal).

Also come to find out a lot of the ships at anchor in the bay sailed without reserved berths which the major lines have. Retailers and others chartered their own ships and sent them to SoCal with no guaranteed way to unload them...

 

[MrSquished]

Also, there are plenty of choices in Biden's bag of tools to confront the supply chain issues.

Problem is the Ds are standing on the sidelines passively complaining it's covid's fault and they can't do anything.

Nobody wants to hear it. They are in charge, fix it or GTFO.

Fuck the longshoreman and their work slowdown. These crane operators make $200k and take their sweet ass time unloading. They are constantly screwing over the truckers, and if any complain, they blacklist them.

Meanwhile, scores of ships full of goods are sitting waiting.

Reagan busted the flight controllers, Biden could do the same thing and the public would back him.

What do you think Trump would do? For all his lying, cheating and stupidity, people voted for him to be the tough guy because voters think Ds are weak. Don't prove them right.

I could go on and on, but it's Ds choice to make. What they can't do is whine and play the victim. They wanted power, got it, now use it.

Yeah I don't think anyone that wants BIden to be like Reagan is a real Democrat.