Anybody know why Frozen is being released in 3d overseas and not here?

[poofyhairguy]

HFR 48fps 3D? Amazing, a new climax for cinema.

Standard 24fps 3D? Flickering, headache creating crap.

Edit: I don't irrationally hate the format. I have three 3D tvs. At first my wife and I would watch 30 mins or so of a movie in 3D then its "You got a headache? Yeah me too. Lets finish in 2D." Now I just use the 3D to show off to friendd when they visit.

 

[Vdubchaos]

HFR 48fps 3D? Amazing, a new climax for cinema.

Standard 24fps 3D? Flickering, headache creating crap.

Edit: I don't irrationally hate the format. I have three 3D tvs. At first my wife and I would watch 30 mins or so of a movie in 3D then its "You got a headache? Yeah me too. Lets finish in 2D." Now I just use the 3D to show off to friendd when they visit.

ALL TVs are 60hz (120/240 crap is all marketing gimmick/software controlled, not hardware like Monitor).

Personally I never had issues with 60hz 3d watching.....

Make sure you have HDMI 1.4 cable (I think), your signal might have a delay?

 

[purbeast0]

HFR 48fps 3D? Amazing, a new climax for cinema.

Standard 24fps 3D? Flickering, headache creating crap.

Edit: I don't irrationally hate the format. I have three 3D tvs. At first my wife and I would watch 30 mins or so of a movie in 3D then its "You got a headache? Yeah me too. Lets finish in 2D." Now I just use the 3D to show off to friendd when they visit.

if you're getting a headache from 3d, then your parallax settings aren't right. i was messing with the settings on my projector and went from one extreme to the other, and just looking at the screen while adjusting the settings, i could have a headache within like 2 seconds because it was messing with my eyes. now that it's set right though i can easily watch avatar and not have a headache.

 

[Vdubchaos]

if you're getting a headache from 3d, then your parallax settings aren't right. i was messing with the settings on my projector and went from one extreme to the other, and just looking at the screen while adjusting the settings, i could have a headache within like 2 seconds because it was messing with my eyes. now that it's set right though i can easily watch avatar and not have a headache.

Yep, his TV should have 3D settings as well. Only available when 3D is enabled (at least on my Sammy)

 

[TheUnk]

HFR 48fps 3D? Amazing, a new climax for cinema.

I watched the 2nd Hobbit in HFR 3D. I found the ghosting extremely bad. Anyone know if this was because of HFR or because of a crappy theater?

 

[poofyhairguy]

ALL TVs are 60hz (120/240 crap is all marketing gimmick/software controlled, not hardware like Monitor).

Personally I never had issues with 60hz 3d watching.....

Make sure you have HDMI 1.4 cable (I think), your signal might have a delay?

I am not talking about the display, I am talking about the source. No 3D is 60fps unless you are talking experimental films or gaming.

All non HFR 3D releases are shot and released in 24fps, the same crappy fps standard we have used since silent films became talkies. 24fps simply isn't enough temporal resolution for 3D and that becomes obvious when you watch a HFR 3D movie and its much more comfortable.

I can simulate some of this using interpolation on my TVs, and that helps, but no consumer equipment can effectively show HFR content.

(Oh and some TVs ARE 120Hz and all my 3D TVs are plasmas so that doesn't apply).

 

[poofyhairguy]

if you're getting a headache from 3d, then your parallax settings aren't right. i was messing with the settings on my projector and went from one extreme to the other, and just looking at the screen while adjusting the settings, i could have a headache within like 2 seconds because it was messing with my eyes. now that it's set right though i can easily watch avatar and not have a headache.

Sure I have these settings on two of my TVs and sure I adjust them. The difference though is that I can stand 3D for 30 minutes instead of 5 minutes once adjusted.

The issue is the framerate. The only reason 24FPS EVER worked is because our eyes add a motion blur naturally to the picture that keeps it from looking like a juddery mess in 2D. But in 3D the stereoscopic effect is trying to fool our minds and the smoke and mirrors doesn't work so well when our brains have to compensate for 24fps judder AND faked perception of depth.

As I said, interpolation (aka "the dreaded Soap Opera Effect") helps a lot but it is making up data for what isn't there. What is better is simply more temporal data, which HFR provides.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I watched the 2nd Hobbit in HFR 3D. I found the ghosting extremely bad. Anyone know if this was because of HFR or because of a crappy theater?

Probably the theater, they didn't have this adjusted correctly.

The "worst" part about HFR if done correctly is that it "looks like a soap opera" because people are used to crappy 24fps cinema and have come to associate its shortcomings with "a movie feel."

 

[purbeast0]

Sure I have these settings on two of my TVs and sure I adjust them. The difference though is that I can stand 3D for 30 minutes instead of 5 minutes once adjusted.

The issue is the framerate. The only reason 24FPS EVER worked is because our eyes add a motion blur naturally to the picture that keeps it from looking like a juddery mess in 2D. But in 3D the stereoscopic effect is trying to fool our minds and the smoke and mirrors doesn't work so well when our brains have to compensate for 24fps judder AND faked perception of depth.

As I said, interpolation (aka "the dreaded Soap Opera Effect") helps a lot but it is making up data for what isn't there. What is better is simply more temporal data, which HFR provides.

yeah it sucks that it effects you. i can definitely understand why you wouldn't enjoy it in this case hah.

 

[brainhulk]

I personally think 3D has to be enjoyed on at least a 120" screen. Just because I have a high end 3d projector and 120" screen is in no way affecting my opinion.

 

[disappoint]

4D done right is awesome.

4D done wrong is suck.

4D is too often done wrong.

Pics that have x,y and z are 3D pics. Videos/films that have x,y,z and time are 4D.

 

[Vdubchaos]

I am not talking about the display, I am talking about the source. No 3D is 60fps unless you are talking experimental films or gaming.

Gaming in 3d at 30/24 FPS SUCKS. I tried it.....

All non HFR 3D releases are shot and released in 24fps, the same crappy fps standard we have used since silent films became talkies. 24fps simply isn't enough temporal resolution for 3D and that becomes obvious when you watch a HFR 3D movie and its much more comfortable.

I can simulate some of this using interpolation on my TVs, and that helps, but no consumer equipment can effectively show HFR content.

(Oh and some TVs ARE 120Hz and all my 3D TVs are plasmas so that doesn't apply).

Try to disable all the display "enhancers" on your TV, but first adjust your 3d Settings a bit.

Those enhancers on TV are no different than adjusting Treble or Bass on your sound system (hello distortion).

I'm sorry but we have never had an issue with watching any 3D movie.

 

[WelshBloke]

3d is terribad anyway.

Frozen is worse.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I'm sorry but we have never had an issue with watching any 3D movie.

It is not like I have a major issue. I just have experienced better and now I can't go back.

Like when DVDs came out and they were SO AMAZING because the quality was so much better than VHS tapes. Then I watch Blu Rays for a few years and I simply won't watch anything on a DVD anymore. What was amazing in 1999 sucks in 2009. Or the first time you saw an iPhone 1. Made my PocketPC look like crap. It got stuck in a drawer never to return that day.

My at-home 3D experience was "fine" back in 2010-2011. Sure I got the headache, but "yay look depth that isn't there my friends will be so jealous!"

Then I went to go see the Hobbit HFR late 2012 and I realized that EVERY piece of 3D tech I had previously seen- Avatar in the movies, my pile of 3D Blu Rays, etc.- were complete and udder crap compared to a 48fps source. It dawned on me that eventual headaches, or flicker, doesn't have to be part of the 3D experience. If we could stop using a 1920's framerate with 21st century tech it DOES make things better.

I have not watched a 3D movie at home since then. I am too spoiled knowing how much better it can be. At least my 2D experience is maxed out.

 

[sdifox]

ALL TVs are 60hz (120/240 crap is all marketing gimmick/software controlled, not hardware like Monitor).

Personally I never had issues with 60hz 3d watching.....

Make sure you have HDMI 1.4 cable (I think), your signal might have a delay?

err, 30frame for left eye, 30 frames for right eye.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I already wear glasses, so 3D is essentially a complete non-starter for me. I've seen a few movies in 3D and they're OK, but not worth the inherent discomfort of trying to wear two pairs of glasses simultaneously. If they went away forever, I wouldn't miss them in the slightest. Actually, it would be preferable, as I'd no longer have to worry about whether the showtimes were for the 3D version or the version I'm actually interested in. The only movie I've seen where the 3D legitimately added to the experience was Hugo, and that was because the "magic" of the 3D was analogous to the magic of early moving pictures that inspired a sense of wonder in audiences who had never seen such technology. I can appreciate a good visual metaphor. But most of the time, 3D actually detracts from my viewing experience, physical discomfort aside, so I'm glad to see its popularity falling.

 

[brainhulk]

I got my uk copy earlier this week and just watched it last night. It was very difficult listening to everyone talk about the movie while I waited for my copy to arrive.

With that said, It's probably my new favorite 3d bluray next to avatar. The depth, snow & particle effects, and popouts were outstanding. You get a feel for the massiveness of the mansion rooms. Simple things like the light snow falling were really well done. Also excellent use of 3d that was strong throughout the whole movie.

The audio track had great singing and excellent separation for surround - it was icing on the cake making for a awesome experience.

The story was predictable. But had some fairly funny scenes.

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[DaTT]

cool thanks. ill probably wait until it's released after reading over on bluray.com. some say that disney is picky with regions, so even though amazon says it is region free there is still a chance it isn't.

No need to worry. My buddy just got his from amazon uk and it works fine.

 

[ThinClient]

Anybody know why Frozen is being released in 3d overseas and not here?

Because it's a shitty movie and nobody wants to watch that shit, even in 3d?

 

[1sikbITCH]

After 4 years of waiting for something else decent to take advantage of the 3D, the best you can offer about the movie itself is that it's predictable with a couple funny moments. And yet you say it's the best 3D movie out there besides Avatar, based on the visual effects.

If you just want to see cool visuals, acid cost about $5 back in my day. Still 20 years later it's gotta be cheaper than these crappy movies. Plus you can change the channel

 

[Red Squirrel]

And they wonder why people pirate.

Makes product
Does not make it available
Gets mad when someone manages to find it through other sources

 

[HeXen]

See, this is why Occulus Rift will fail just the same.

 

[brainhulk]

After 4 years of waiting for something else decent to take advantage of the 3D, the best you can offer about the movie itself is that it's predictable with a couple funny moments. And yet you say it's the best 3D movie out there besides Avatar, based on the visual effects.

If you just want to see cool visuals, acid cost about $5 back in my day. Still 20 years later it's gotta be cheaper than these crappy movies. Plus you can change the channel

This is a 120" screen

These are B&W speakers made in Britain(and a gun just in case you don't know what one is)

When you move out of your parent's house and get a real job, maybe you'll be able to afford non Walmart equipment. Until then your opinion is worth about as much as a trailer park bum's is to someone with a proper graduate education.

I would probably lay off the acid too

 

[HeXen]

^Ah, that explains why 3D TV is dead. You have to spend thousands to get the theatrical similar, who would've thunk it. Or perhaps it was just the glasses or the limited selection of 3D movies and games or perhaps...just perhaps, many just have never been so impressed with 3D at even the Imax's to really care enough.

 

[zinfamous]

Brainhulk's home media > theater

Oh, you've got an Atmos set up in your place?