MagnusTheBrewer
IN MEMORIAM
- Jun 19, 2004
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Caffeine and pain killers to allow me to do my job. I wouldn't say they enhance productivity but, they make it possible.
Printer Bandit
Lifer
- Mar 16, 2005
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ringtail
Golden Member
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sorry don't grok your meaning.
The post I put there was motivated by COMPASSION for a young person seeking direction and guideposts in life, who seems to stand at a crossroads:
Pop culture/Drugs? or............Seek true spiritual breakthrough?
This whole culture seeks to lead people the EASY way, while I believe the OTHER, INCREDIBLY, almost SUPER-HUMANLY difficult way leads toward TRUTH.
The "insights" drugs reveal to you ain't real man. DELUSION.
The TRUE PATH is far away from all that POP culture shit, in a totally different REAL direction.
You deride me with your post, go on ahead have your fun. Doesn't affect me IN THE LEAST but maybe will help make you more popular...yeah that's IMPORTANT MAN!!!! Goodbye fool.
Ns1
No Lifer
- Jun 17, 2001
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I have been thinking of actually taking my diagnosis and getting adderall xr. Are they really all they are cracked up to be for people with ADHD inattentive type? What can the average user expect?
Ns1
No Lifer
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an easier ability to concentrate, feeling "amped up" all the time, bad sleep patterns, difficulty eating
destrekor
Lifer
- Nov 18, 2005
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Adderall, for the people it is truly designed for (as a prescription stimulant to treat ADHD), brings the user down, calms them down and helps them focus. It does not act like "speed" for such a user because their body chemistry actually is rather screwed up, hence the ADHD.
ADHD can be caused by a few different chemical imbalances, some treatable by other means, even lifestyle and nutrition changes. So even if you have a diagnosis and get a prescription for it, it may act exactly like an amphetamine should react in your body: make you very amped up, "ready to go", and it may or may not lead to increased ability to focus and/or an increased attention span.
Other ADHD/ADD medications are more effective for different people, and you may be best off with a non-stimulant med like Strattera. (something like Provigil/modafinil, or armodafinil, MAY be effective, but it's nearly impossible to get it prescribed for such off-label usage)
You may LIKE Adderall XR - but you'll know if it's truly the BEST when it comes to treating your symptoms. If it doesn't slow you down a bit, it's pretty damn hard NOT to like. If you have to study, it can be pretty damn useful.
But instead of helping, it can lessen impulsive behavior control, and it can reduce attention span. It may in fact help in both fronts and speed you up - sort of a win/win.
Just don't overuse it even if it's everything you hoped for and more. As an adult, it may not cause neurological changes in your brain (for better or worse), but you may develop tolerance with regular use.
The jury is really still out on the long-term use of actual stimulants for treatment of such diseases; they really are not that positive it is not causing more damage in the long-run, at least when prescribed to pre-teens and teenagers, where the brain is still in the full-steam-ahead development cycle.
bryanl
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I'm not sure you do, but exactly what happened to that member of your family who had the drug problem?
ringtail
Golden Member
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a) there was no "problem," but rather only realization and life-course correction via almost super-human strict self-discipline over many years. If you happen to believe pot/hash/cocaine/lsd/mescalin/peyote buttons/ayahuasca/ or similar will reveal to you some REAL TRUE PROFOUND INSIGHT, something VALID, etc., then,
brother, you are BEING LED ASTRAY INTO DECEPTION.
Like I already said in a previous post, EXACTLY THE VERY SAME exhalted yogis (men and women) in Tibet & India WHO ARE TRULY ADEPT FOR REAL (such as who can at will totally absorb into awareness of God in true Samadhi) DISPARAGE ALL THE DRUGS AS STUPID FALSE AND DELUSIONAL.
Point = friggin' drop kick that idiotic, childishly-immature "druhgs" shit outta your life FOREVER (last dance with maryjane), and DONE!
Forever by self-discipline. A strong man is resolute.
Hey any argument against this point ISN'T with me, but you rail against tens-of-thousands of adept yogis who've spent entire lives becoming past masters in the subtlties of the mind, only as an on-ramp into the deepest soul and its connections with GOD. That's why those people become so loving, so totally accepting of you with all your many faults.
You DON'T know BETTER! Those guys are all in unison SCREAMING at you: Your stipid pathetic marijuana, cocaine, LSD, mescalin, etc. is deceiving you!!!! Seems so real, yet is so FALSE!!!
b) that person occasionally wiles away time on international telephone call "hold" by reading, and rarely POSTING, on AT.
Posted her late 1990's when this was just a bulletin board, came back with a new ID after living in Sweden circa 2000, later was forced by a security issue to change user name (lost post history) so now people think I'm a newbie. Actually I'm older there than nearly all the moderators.
MongGrel
Lifer
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The fact that you used grok, yoga and a few other things in one thread is just amusing to me.
Robert Heinlein is probably grinning in his grave these days about some things.
He kind of wrote Stranger in a Strange Land on a bit of a whim to begin with, he was pretty much Libertarian.
Robert A. Heinlein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
Expanded Universe (Heinlein)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanded_Universe_%28Heinlein%29
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clamum
Lifer
- Feb 13, 2003
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Just caffeine (coffee and pop). I always have a box of caffeine pills in my desk at work though, in case I need some. Five hours of sleep a night just doesn't cut it for me, and come Friday I'm fucking dead. But it sucks cause I waste half my weekend sleeping in. I really need to go to bed earlier at night (and it's not even like I'm up doing something important).
Ringtail is basically telling you in an overt manner that what you are looking for can be found within yourself. Though his post is harsh and the religious undertones probably are off putting, it is a well-intended post and the advice is solid.
That said amphetamine is a great feeling if you have no tolerance to stimulants and your brain still knows how to produce dopamine and norepinephrine. Kinda like with anything else moderation is the key, tolerance does build rapidly... To the euphoria you get when it's new to you at least. The focus and motor simulation is pretty consistent. If you think you actually need something for ADHD I'll go ahead and tell you that you most likely don't. Having a prescription doesn't necessarily mean you truly have a condition. There are entire forums dedicated to duping scripts out of doctors and you don't need much brain power to figure out how to engineer your way into a diagnosis since the doctor can only go off of what you respond to their questions with. In my experience the two people I knew really had something wrong didn't like using their scripts due to side effects. (sleeplessness despite not feeling simulated) This is my long way of saying don't delude yourself. The whole world would be more productive from being on amphetamine every day, not just those with ADHD.
Oh, and don't bother with modafinil. Cognitive benefits are very minimal and most likely placebo. It is really only good for narcolepsy and making you feel like you slept adequately. That and considering it's 2014 and we don't yet really know it's mechanism of action makes me a bit wary of future issues.
That said amphetamine is a great feeling if you have no tolerance to stimulants and your brain still knows how to produce dopamine and norepinephrine. Kinda like with anything else moderation is the key, tolerance does build rapidly... To the euphoria you get when it's new to you at least. The focus and motor simulation is pretty consistent. If you think you actually need something for ADHD I'll go ahead and tell you that you most likely don't. Having a prescription doesn't necessarily mean you truly have a condition. There are entire forums dedicated to duping scripts out of doctors and you don't need much brain power to figure out how to engineer your way into a diagnosis since the doctor can only go off of what you respond to their questions with. In my experience the two people I knew really had something wrong didn't like using their scripts due to side effects. (sleeplessness despite not feeling simulated) This is my long way of saying don't delude yourself. The whole world would be more productive from being on amphetamine every day, not just those with ADHD.
Oh, and don't bother with modafinil. Cognitive benefits are very minimal and most likely placebo. It is really only good for narcolepsy and making you feel like you slept adequately. That and considering it's 2014 and we don't yet really know it's mechanism of action makes me a bit wary of future issues.
chubbyfatazn
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Thebobo
Lifer
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Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
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There will be fewer jobs for more people. In order to not be discarded people will take advantage of any means to "not be crushed under with the weak and infirm" as was said by a younger Scrooge in my favorite Christmas movie.
Expect more not less of this.
Expect more not less of this.
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