Anybody expecting a 10k rpm 16mb cache sata hdd with native command queuing ?

[ZL1]

Hi

guys I was just wondering if anyone knows if someone is going to make a 10k rpm 16mb cache sata hdd with native command queuing in the near future ?

by the way I heard that the 74gb raptor has native command queuing, is that so ??

please let me know


Thank you
Dan

 

[JBT]

It would be sweet if they did... I havn't heard of one though. Yes the 74GB version does have NCQ

 

[ZL1]

yes me want one

inspired by the maxline 3, was looking at one and thought "man wouldnt it be great if it was smaller and rpmier ? "

P.S. Ive heard some debate about the raptor's NCQ, is it proven ?

P.S.2 I see you have a 74, mind if I ask what did you upgrade from ? was the improvement noticeable ?

 

[Miramonti]

and native command queuing is _______ ...

 

[ZL1]

Originally posted by: jjsole
and native command queuing is _______ ...

NCQ

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: JBT
It would be sweet if they did... I havn't heard of one though. Yes the 74GB version does have NCQ

The 2nd gen Raptor does not support SATA II NCQ. It supports the less robust legacy P-ATA TCQ. Not that it matters much. Neither will do much of anything for the typical home user.

Neither will 16MB of cache. If it made any difference we would see SCSI drives using cache that large. In fact, years ago, SCSI "A/V rated" drives commonly had 16 MB. You don't see them anymore though. So if SCSI used to have it, and decided to do away with it, that should give you an idea how much drive manufacturers think it helps performance.

 

[ZL1]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: JBT
It would be sweet if they did... I havn't heard of one though. Yes the 74GB version does have NCQ

The 2nd gen Raptor does not support SATA II NCQ. It supports the less robust legacy P-ATA TCQ. Not that it matters much. Neither will do much of anything for the typical home user.

Neither will 16MB of cache. If it made any difference we would see SCSI drives using cache that large. In fact, years ago, SCSI "A/V rated" drives commonly had 16 MB. You don't see them anymore though. So if SCSI used to have it, and decided to do away with it, that should give you an idea how much drive manufacturers think it helps performance.

seriously ? ncq wont help at all ?
good point on the cache, hmmm so the new maxline 3 not worth it ?


Thank you
Dan

P.S. was there a 1st gen 74 ? or just the 36 ?

 

[Pariah]

If you need that much space (250GB/300GB), go for it. Otherwise, if speed is your goal, go with a Raptor or SCSI.

 

[ZL1]

Originally posted by: Pariah
If you need that much space (250GB/300GB), go for it. Otherwise, if speed is your goal, go with a Raptor or SCSI.

I always use two drives, first for boot and second for storage (boot is under stress and I dont trust it), my plan was 74 raptor as boot and maxline3 as storage, but if the ncq and cache are useless then I can save some money on the second drive.


Thanks
Dan

 

[JaRb0y]

by first gen he means the raptor 36gig and he's right about 74gig raptor supporting tagged-cq versus natvie-cq

 

[Pariah]

If all you want the drive for is storage, NCQ and cache are completely useless. By the cheapest large capacity drive for your needs, and use the extra money saved towards a suitable backup solution.

 

[ZL1]

Originally posted by: JaRb0y
by first gen he means the raptor 36gig and he's right about 74gig raptor supporting tagged-cq versus natvie-cq

I thought the 36 had a second gen model as well
?

D

 

[JBT]

Sorry you are right they support TCQ not NCQ I completely for got about that. Either way its hard to find SATA controllers that even support it and even if it is it won't do much in a single user environment. I also think 16mb cache my be more of a check list type deal . It can help sure but probably not as much as you would like. But for someof use we want ALL the performance we can get. hehe

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: JBT
It would be sweet if they did... I havn't heard of one though. Yes the 74GB version does have NCQ

The 2nd gen Raptor does not support SATA II NCQ. It supports the less robust legacy P-ATA TCQ. Not that it matters much. Neither will do much of anything for the typical home user.

Neither will 16MB of cache. If it made any difference we would see SCSI drives using cache that large. In fact, years ago, SCSI "A/V rated" drives commonly had 16 MB. You don't see them anymore though. So if SCSI used to have it, and decided to do away with it, that should give you an idea how much drive manufacturers think it helps performance.

I agree, and of course Maxtor has to be the first to do 16MB cause what else have they ever done right? nothing at all. they are doing poorly lately, and I think the 16MB cache thing is just a marketing scheme.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: JBT
It would be sweet if they did... I havn't heard of one though. Yes the 74GB version does have NCQ

The 2nd gen Raptor does not support SATA II NCQ. It supports the less robust legacy P-ATA TCQ. Not that it matters much. Neither will do much of anything for the typical home user.

Neither will 16MB of cache. If it made any difference we would see SCSI drives using cache that large. In fact, years ago, SCSI "A/V rated" drives commonly had 16 MB. You don't see them anymore though. So if SCSI used to have it, and decided to do away with it, that should give you an idea how much drive manufacturers think it helps performance.

I agree, and of course Maxtor has to be the first to do 16MB cause what else have they ever done right? nothing at all. they are doing poorly lately, and I think the 16MB cache thing is just a marketing scheme.

Beh, I think Maxtor makes some of the most reliable HD's around, and has one of the best RMA policies in the business.

 

[ManBearPig]

All reviews point to the 16mb of cache helping the maxline...