Anybody else watch the CGS

[HeroOfPellinor]

I don't know, I'm such a PC gaming whore I'll watch shit like that. But, really, what kept me watching past the first commercial break was how awful the whole thing was.

They had Fatality there as a commentator and, despite his 12 or so championships, he wasn't able to muster up one halfway interesting thing to say and sounded like he was reading from a teleprompter.....badly.

These teams they had in the tournament were comprised of CS:S players who'd be laughed off a public server. It's 5v5 on Dust 2. You're Ts. What do you do? Well, if you're these teams you divide yourselves up and attack one at a time. My wife is shaking her head as I rant about how these guys have no clue. The only reason the Ts ever won any round was because the CTs were equally stupid.....putting themselves in impossible to defend positions right on the bomb sites. The ONE round where the Ts all went to one bombsite they won. Go figure! AWPS are missing........guys are spraying rifles....guys are tossing flashbangs and following them up with HEs. Ugh.

Two of the three episodes I saw even ended in a dramatic 1 point victory. Amazing.

The kicker was each team had their own Jimmy Hart......a professional wrestling coach type of guy to hunch over their shoulders and fire them up between rounds. :roll: At which point I began surmising that this was the WWF of computer gaming and switched it back to Dora The Explorer.....the one where she saves Little Star......a classic

It wouldn't have been such a miserable site except for the fact that in one of the episodes I saw they highlighted this guy who was a professional gamer. That team's star CS:S player. Dude lived at home and did nothing but game. His parents were cool with it and allowed him to live there for free so he could focus on gaming as long as he wanted. No job.....no school.....just gaming. If that were most anybody they would be a freaking god at the game, but I don't think this guy even managed a 1:1 KD ratio.

Anyway, I watch with partial morbid curiosity and partial disgust at another PC gaming show that turned out to be farce.

 

[Dangerer]

I haven't played source in years, but have been following up on the CGS every now and then when I have time to pull up the website. Most of those pro's have been pro's since 1.6 and are extremely talented beyond any other players in the world at their game. You sound like a complete tool to berate their game and strats when you have no idea what it's like playing on their level.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Dangerer
Most of those pro's have been pro's since 1.6 and are extremely talented beyond any other players in the world at their game.

Wow, they were pros when they were 13? Shit that IS good.

LOL

 

[NightFaLL03]

These players that are in CGS are there because they're some of the top players in the game.

You have no idea the type of practice and talent it takes to achieve this level and the fact that you're so ignorant to the way the game is played at the highest tiers just shows how ridiculously idiotic you are.

Do us all a favor and spend more time with your wife and less time pretending you're on the same level as us. You're not - and I'd put money on it.

 

[blamb425]

OP, you HAVE to be joking me. There is no doubt at all that you have never been in cal or even OGL for CS 1.6 or CSS. You have little right to berate their tactics which you know nothing of...Please send me a demo of your own team trying to 5-man your attacks and we'll see how it goes

Let me break it down for you: they spread out to get picks, run fakes, and increase the chance of a successful attack on a bombsite. There is always a high chance of a flank, and at this level, if everything is going to be quiet, you can bet there will be a fair share of peeks and pushes. Throwing a nade after a flash can be useful if you've blinded the person and want to deal some damage..

Spraying, when controlled, is arguably the best way to shoot a rifle (given, of course, that you aren't a mile away)

Momentum is a pretty huge factor in CS. those GM's look like they have a strange job, but every bit counts

And i never expected to see Nightfall here, but he's probably one of the best css players ever to touch the game although he wasnt drafted

 

[NightFaLL03]

I wasn't active in the game when the drafts happened, unfortunately.

 

[DangerAardvark]

I watched some of it. Problem is, it doesn't make a fuck of sense unless you've actually put some hours into the game. The other problem is that you have to show shots from the point of view of the players to get a grasp of what they're really doing.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: blamb425
OP, you HAVE to be joking me. There is no doubt at all that you have never been in cal or even OGL for CS 1.6 or CSS. You have little right to berate their tactics which you know nothing of...Please send me a demo of your own team trying to 5-man your attacks and we'll see how it goes

Care to explain why the few times they did 5-man a site that they won? It's all there on the show.

Let me break it down for you: they spread out to get picks, run fakes, and increase the chance of a successful attack on a bombsite. There is always a high chance of a flank, and at this level, if everything is going to be quiet, you can bet there will be a fair share of peeks and pushes. Throwing a nade after a flash can be useful if you've blinded the person and want to deal some damage..

I don't think anything you said here makes any sense in a 5v5 match. They will have 2 men at each bombsite unless they guess with their fifth player who is probably watching DD. So most likely you're 5v2. If you smoke and then flashbang B and rush out they may get 3 of you, but if you end up with a bomb plant and 2 guys at B....their 3 guys remaining are as good as dead. They can't even compensate by moving their fifth play to help because you can switch between A and B and then really confuse their asses with some fakes. T, unless you get very unlucky, should be a guaranteed win in 5v5.

Momentum is a pretty huge factor in CS. those GM's look like they have a strange job, but every bit counts

I can't believe you're defending the "GM"s. How big a fanboy are you? That was cheesy and was just some way to infuse some personality into these lifeless gamers.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: NightFaLL03
These players that are in CGS are there because they're some of the top players in the game.

LOL. You know, I didn't make the accusation, but the first thing that popped into my head was that some of these were CAL players who may have used some hacks on their home PCs and when presented with hackfree computers they didn't know how to play anymore. I know nobody in CAL cheats and hackers are easy to spot for the pros and you personally know each and every one of these players and have seen their home PCs and they never have, but that's almost how it looked.

You have no idea the type of practice and talent it takes to achieve this level and the fact that you're so ignorant to the way the game is played at the highest tiers just shows how ridiculously idiotic you are.

Sure I do. I just didn't want to devote that much time to it. Let's see what you have to show for it in five years.

Do us all a favor and spend more time with your wife and less time pretending you're on the same level as us. You're not - and I'd put money on it.

Oh, I do. That's why I haven't played in over a year. That's why I never got to be really good. But the hundreds of hours I put into playing on a server with a large population of occasional CAL players on a self-proclaimed pro pub server is worth something.

I've got really quick reflexes, but I'm too twitchy. I knew there was going to be a ceiling for me in the game, but I compensated against better players by using my wits. That was half the fun for me..........studying tactics and strategy and learning the maps and the nature of players. Every second of my playing and spectating I was studying. And I got competitive and I had my legitimate moments and was the top player enough times at the end of the map to feel validated.

So you may be a better player than me, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are a better strategist or tactician. Especially if you watched this show and thought they were doing it right. Cause that means you'd have got owned just like them. :thumbsup:

 

[monjumm]

So you may be a better player than me, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are a better strategist or tactician. Especially if you watched this show and thought they were doing it right. Cause that means you'd have got owned just like them. :thumbsup:

Because your strategy of sending five players in all the same direction is a revolutionary new idea.

 

[Dangerer]

^^ Jon Mumm from 3D?

Anyhow, here's a clip of Mumm's partner Ksharp single handedly locking down a bombsite B rush

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M17ly83hQ5Q

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: monjumm

So you may be a better player than me, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are a better strategist or tactician. Especially if you watched this show and thought they were doing it right. Cause that means you'd have got owned just like them. :thumbsup:

Because your strategy of sending five players in all the same direction is a revolutionary new idea.

Nope. In fact, I thought it was a given. Hence my shock and disbelief as these "pro" players couldn't fathom it....even when it worked the few times they tried it.

I figured each team would sweep while playing as Ts and then get swept as CT. The fact that they played the game like it was 10 v 10 is why the matches came down to individual effort or luck and went back and forth.

You could run fakes, pinch the bombsites, flashbang rush, delay rush, go through spawn, send 4 and have one delay and flank, etc........but so long as you end up with all 5 guys headed to one bombsite all at the same time and mix things up, you're going to win......aside from the odd unlucky round.

Are you arguing that this isn't the best way to handle a 5v5 on Dust 2?

 

[blamb425]

Are you arguing that this isn't the best way to handle a 5v5 on Dust 2?

Are you arguing against nearly a decade of experiment with different strategies, playstyles, and combinations?

It all sounds nice in theory, but unless you've played this game competitively at a high level, you will never really know what's going to work. You know, the other team can READ your strategies. What's going to happen when they notice and start pushing their spots, flanking you from behind and from the sides, thereby ending any chance of a 5-man strat?

I'm just going to ignore your comment about the GMs. I'm not expecting anyone with no experience with these events to understand.

Let's see what you have to show for it in five years

Most of these teams are world-champion teams...using similar strategies to boot.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: blamb425
It all sounds nice in theory, but unless you've played this game competitively at a high level, you will never really know what's going to work. You know, the other team can READ your strategies. What's going to happen when they notice and start pushing their spots, flanking you from behind and from the sides, thereby ending any chance of a 5-man strat?

Mixing up quick and delayed rushes between A and B and tossing in some fakes and fake fakes, there's no way they can read. They could only guess. If you're delay rushing you're watching your back. If you're rushing they won't have time to flank you before you have the bomb planted and time on your side.

Again, the times I saw teams in the CGS use this they always succeeded.

 

[comebackdan]

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You could run fakes, pinch the bombsites, flashbang rush, delay rush, go through spawn, send 4 and have one delay and flank, etc........but so long as you end up with all 5 guys headed to one bombsite all at the same time and mix things up, you're going to win......aside from the odd unlucky round.

Are you arguing that this isn't the best way to handle a 5v5 on Dust 2?[/quote]

LOL, I guess the "know it all" FORGOT THERE WAS A TIMER! And if you haven't noticed...THEY RUN FAKES. IDIOT. THEY ALSO DELAY. LAWL.

What? I'm THE CS MASTER.

PZ!


PS - All your rounds are unlucky. Because you are ON THE TEAM!

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: comebackdan

LOL, I guess the "know it all" FORGOT THERE WAS A TIMER! And if you haven't noticed...THEY RUN FAKES. IDIOT. THEY ALSO DELAY. LAWL.

What? I'm THE CS MASTER.

PZ!


PS - All your rounds are unlucky. Because you are ON THE TEAM!

Uh, no, running a fake or delayed rush takes less than a minute. I watched two and a half shows and never saw a fake.

I didn't think I was a know-it-all but after some of the stupid things I've read from you guys I'm starting to think so.

 

[Dangerer]

lol this thread gets more and more interesting.

HeroOfPellinor, what you're trying to say is, if I found 4 source players that are as skilled as you were at the peak of your game and threw you into a match against any CGS team, you would be able to score several rounds off of them with your amazing strat? Would you be able to score even one round?

 

[skace]

Did Hero summon 20 good CS players? Do you have that power on Quake1 players by any chance?

 

[KeithTalent]

Does someone have links to these matches that actually show the skilled players playing against each other? I couldn't find anything decent through the CGS website and I watched the video posted above, but I don't really consider someone just AWPing a bunch of guys from far away all that skillful.

KT

 

[StepUp]

As some one who played at a semi-competitive level, I'd leave the monday morning quarterbacking of esports to those that understand the dynamics of esports.

 

[blamb425]

Comebackdan and nightfall...wow LOL

I don't watch the CGS much but these videos show the same players...in 1.6, a few months before they started CGS...much of the same, really...

http://link.brightcove.com/ser...player/bcpid1155184404

watch coL/3D CPL winter 06. Best example on that list probably. These were the top 2 teams in North America, and their final match in 1.6 went to triple overtime. If you want a prime example, skip ahead to 11:00.