Any WoW /RPG like games without magic, demons etc?

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Winchester

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
According to my boss, repeating a monosyllable over and over classifies as "speaking in tongues."

Point out that scripture sometime that says you shouldn't do that

Not surprisingly his church, like many others, reinterprets the Bible to suit their preconceived notions or whatever happens to be faddish at the time.

You went to a "cult". So quit bashing Christians. Major...Major...Major difference.

Nonsense . . a cult is a cult.

Christianity is a cult of Judaism

and when is "The Exorcist" coming out for PC/X-box360?
:shocked:








ANYway, OP , did you find something "suitable" in a RPG . . . like "fantasy murder" instead of "fantasy magic" ?

RPGs are fantasy.
RPG = Role Playing Game
:roll:
(deeply rooted in D'n'D)

:roll:
:laugh:
:thumbsdown:
:roll:

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Winchester

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
According to my boss, repeating a monosyllable over and over classifies as "speaking in tongues."

Point out that scripture sometime that says you shouldn't do that

Not surprisingly his church, like many others, reinterprets the Bible to suit their preconceived notions or whatever happens to be faddish at the time.

You went to a "cult". So quit bashing Christians. Major...Major...Major difference.

A nationwide cult with chapters in every state, ordained ministers, et cetera. Is that what it takes to be a cult these days?

 

[Scouzer]

http://www.projectvisitor.com/index.shtml

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Winchester
MMORPGs are fine.

KOTOR is made by the people who make D&D, so it is just a gateway game to get people to play D&D.

Anarchy Online looks pretty sweet.

Oh geez. :roll: Yes, companies that make X game are really only making it to suck you into playing Y game, not because they might actually cater to two different demographics. :roll:

indeed, my brother loved KOTOR, and never played D&D, or is interested in it

my parents used to teach me the same stuff though, D&D being at the top of the "evil games" list because some kids around the block from us killed their parents and happened to be D&D players

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I prefer to contend that if I can't get the meat of a thread in five posts, then everyone else needs to work on being more concise. This allows me to be far more lazy, and thus I am all for it.

the search thread function was added for a reason

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Winchester

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Catholics that I have dealt with are usually fine with alcohol, smoking, dancing, stuff like that. The derivatives tend to freak out over those things though, some to the point of coming up with manuals dictacting stuff that they must figure God left out of the Bible due to lack of space, like thou shalt not drink, thou shalt not dance, thou shalt not go to movies, thou shalt not let thy women wear pants but rather only hideous floor length denim skirts, et cetera. Some are worse than others.

I imagine non-Catholic Christians as singing and dancing in churches, interpretting seizures as "speaking in tongues," and passing around snakes during the ceremony.

According to my boss, repeating a monosyllable over and over classifies as "speaking in tongues." I went to their church once, and they had a speaker that was trying to "slay me in the Spirit" like Benny Hinn does. He tried to push me over and I wouldn't fall down. He told me to stand up on toes and stick out my chest and throw my arms back and I am thinking, "Why, so I couldn't possibly be any MORE off balance?"

He finally managed to push me over, though to my surprise :shocked: I did not pass out like my boss and his family who were all laying on the floor in a supposed state of unconciousness. My boss said he didn't remember that happenening because he was out cold. Several months later I brought up the incident again, and he said he remembered seeing it happen.

Maybe if you would quit going to "cultist" churches you might learn something. Obviously you are very messed up in your ideaology.

Next you will start complaining that "church" is bad because the snake actually bit you when you held it.

By the way, you're being an excellent witness for Christ and your church. I bet you lead tons of people to God.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Winchester

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Catholics that I have dealt with are usually fine with alcohol, smoking, dancing, stuff like that. The derivatives tend to freak out over those things though, some to the point of coming up with manuals dictacting stuff that they must figure God left out of the Bible due to lack of space, like thou shalt not drink, thou shalt not dance, thou shalt not go to movies, thou shalt not let thy women wear pants but rather only hideous floor length denim skirts, et cetera. Some are worse than others.

I imagine non-Catholic Christians as singing and dancing in churches, interpretting seizures as "speaking in tongues," and passing around snakes during the ceremony.

According to my boss, repeating a monosyllable over and over classifies as "speaking in tongues." I went to their church once, and they had a speaker that was trying to "slay me in the Spirit" like Benny Hinn does. He tried to push me over and I wouldn't fall down. He told me to stand up on toes and stick out my chest and throw my arms back and I am thinking, "Why, so I couldn't possibly be any MORE off balance?"

He finally managed to push me over, though to my surprise :shocked: I did not pass out like my boss and his family who were all laying on the floor in a supposed state of unconciousness. My boss said he didn't remember that happenening because he was out cold. Several months later I brought up the incident again, and he said he remembered seeing it happen.

Maybe if you would quit going to "cultist" churches you might learn something. Obviously you are very messed up in your ideaology.

Next you will start complaining that "church" is bad because the snake actually bit you when you held it.

By the way, you're being an excellent witness for Christ and your church. I bet you lead tons of people to God.

Just checking in . . . this IS SOFTWARE - APPS, PROGRAMMING AND GAMES?
:roll:

or OT

:thumbsdown:

Deus Ex/DE:IW ("close enough" to a RPG but more like FPS fighting/gfx/action) . . . . no "magic" whatsoever . . . . just "scientifically created" all-purpose nanites . . . . and you can choose to even not kill [most of the time] as you save the world [or doom it].
:thumbsup:

 

[shortylickens]

One more vote for Deus Ex.
The first one anyway.

Yes it has an inventory and XP and the implants could be considered spells with electricity instead of MP, but overall a great experience.

And BTW, christians can find ANYTHING unholy.
Lets just all enjoy ourselves.

(My mom did believe tabletop RPG's were evil. I'm glad she never saw me play Rifts.)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
One more vote for Deus Ex.
The first one anyway.

Yes it has an inventory and XP and the implants could be considered spells with electricity instead of MP, but overall a great experience.

And BTW, christians can find ANYTHING unholy.
Lets just all enjoy ourselves.

(My mom did believe tabletop RPG's were evil. I'm glad she never saw me play Rifts.)

"implants considered spells" .. .. like science is magic to primitive people.

DE is as "clean" as it gets. :evil:

EDIT: My 80-year-old Bible-quoting mother didn't care very much for the CyberDemon in D3.
:shocked:

Neither did i . . . . it was WAY too easy. :brokenheart:

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
A nationwide cult with chapters in every state, ordained ministers, et cetera. Is that what it takes to be a cult these days?

Actually no. Some cults are just single churches, some are nationwide or even worldwide. Some are relatively new and some are quite old.

The belief that Christianity is a cult of Judaism is quite wrong. We don't call ourselves Jews, we don't practices Jewish holidays, and we have different beliefs. That is quite a bit different than actual cults. I've studied lots of cults and interacted with some serious nutcases in my time.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: apoppin
My 80-year-old Bible-quoting mother didn't care very much for the CyberDemon in D3.
:shocked:

Neither did i . . . . it was WAY too easy. :brokenheart:

LOL

Yeah, I had to convince my mom when I was purchasing Diablo that I was in fact fighting against the devil, not for him

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: apoppin
My 80-year-old Bible-quoting mother didn't care very much for the CyberDemon in D3.
:shocked:

Neither did i . . . . it was WAY too easy. :brokenheart:

LOL

Yeah, I had to convince my mom when I was purchasing Diablo that I was in fact fighting against the devil, not for him

my mom liked the gfx (she has been interested in looking since Pong) but didn't care for the subject matter . . . she liked Far Cry a LOT better.
[i don't have to convince her "anything" . . . she lives with me at my house]

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The belief that Christianity is a cult of Judaism is quite wrong. We don't call ourselves Jews, we don't practices Jewish holidays, and we have different beliefs. That is quite a bit different than actual cults. I've studied lots of cults and interacted with some serious nutcases in my time.

christianity came directly OUT of judaism . . . it's founder was Jewish as were ALL it's members for the first 3-1/2 years . . . the god is the same, the 1st 2/3rds of the holy scripture is the same . . . . MAINly, the christian cult of judaism differs from its roots in that you don't have to be a "natural jew" for "salvation" . . . .

there are some cults of christianity that are MORE different from each other than from judaism

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: apoppin
christianity came directly OUT of judaism . . . it's founder was Jewish as were ALL it's members for the first 3-1/2 years . . . the god is the same, the 1st 2/3rds of the holy scripture is the same . . . . MAINly, the christian cult of judaism differs from its roots in that you don't have to be a "natural jew" for "salvation" . . . .

there are some cults of christianity that are MORE different from each other than from judaism

I guess it depends on your viewpoint really. But that's a deeper conversation for a different kind of forum

 

[datalink7]

Winchester, I'm not sure if you've explained what your objection is to D&D...? There are a lot of great D&D based RPG's that I (or others here) can fully reccomend.

 

[Maetryx]

My D&D gaming group is all Christians (as far as one can know these things). I'm the Dungeon Master. My kids play with us. I find nothing in the game offensive because it has virtually no relationship actual spiritual reality. For example, as a Christian, I am obviously a theist (belief in one, personal God). D&D is a pretend polytheistic world. The gods and demons in D&D are flesh and blood (and possibly fire, ice etc.).

On top of that, D&D is a fleshed out mathematical system for table top pretending/adventuring. It is not a religious tool/experience/technique etc. It is loads of fun to create stories with my friends and children, to meet the challenge of guiding them through an engaging, memorable adventure.

The only "Christian" house-rule that I have is that no one plays an evil character. But really that is a common sense rule. Evil player characters often engage in in-fighting/thieving and make the story too hard to progress.

Winchester, I think I understand where you are coming from with your inquiry. I would ask you with all humility what someone else mentioned in part earlier: Does it make sense to avoid magic in your fictional media while *not* avoiding fictional killing? Fictional stealing? Or personal attacks against actual people on a forum?

If you find that you can play a futuristic cyborg killer within your Christian beliefs, then I will also vote for Deus Ex as a great single player shooter/RPG.

 

[Papaw]

Originally posted by: Winchester
Im not worried about any influence, there are just things you dont play around with.

I found an anandtech buddy

 

[Seeruk]

Two words

E V E O N L I N E

 

[TantrumusMaximus]

I had a feeling that by the OP's question that this was religiously motivated and sure enough it has turned into a debate that can not be won by either side LOL. But I can't let it rest!

Dungeons, Adventure, Wizards, Gold, Knights and Dragons = BAD
Machine Guns, WWII, Bombs, Lightsabers, Death & WAR = GOOD

LOL! So typical.

I'd also love to know where this hatred of D&D comes from, who singled it out? Also if D&D is singled out then why not my second example above?

 

[Malak]

It's not that I hate D&D, it's that I've never enjoyed a single game based on it. I don't know why, but I think it may be due to them always being too slow.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: TantrumusMaximus
I had a feeling that by the OP's question that this was religiously motivated and sure enough it has turned into a debate that can not be won by either side LOL. But I can't let it rest!

Dungeons, Adventure, Wizards, Gold, Knights and Dragons = BAD
Machine Guns, WWII, Bombs, Lightsabers, Death & WAR = GOOD

LOL! So typical.

I'd also love to know where this hatred of D&D comes from, who singled it out? Also if D&D is singled out then why not my second example above?

why. . . cause demonism is a "competing religion" to christianity . . . and jews/christians have never minded genociding those that disagreed with them . . . . their god is a god of War, not love.

 

[mechBgon]

How about Mechwarrior4 Compilation.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: apoppin
why. . . cause demonism is a "competing religion" to christianity . . . and jews/christians have never minded genociding those that disagreed with them . . . . their god is a god of War, not love.

Christians have never had war based on religion

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: apoppin
why. . . cause demonism is a "competing religion" to christianity . . . and jews/christians have never minded genociding those that disagreed with them . . . . their god is a god of War, not love.

Christians have never had war based on religion

are you kidding me? . . . i am talking about "official" organized "christian" religious War . . . let's take just ONE example - the Crusades
[or is the roman catholic church a 'cult' by your definition? . . . or "not christian"?]

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: apoppin
why. . . cause demonism is a "competing religion" to christianity . . . and jews/christians have never minded genociding those that disagreed with them . . . . their god is a god of War, not love.

Christians have never had war based on religion

lol?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: apoppin
why. . . cause demonism is a "competing religion" to christianity . . . and jews/christians have never minded genociding those that disagreed with them . . . . their god is a god of War, not love.

Christians have never had war based on religion

lol?

THIS is the place to discuss [new Topic in OT created by me, on the 1st day (just now)]

Why do some christians have a problem with "Fantasy/Magic" in videogames . . . but not Murder?