Any union workers here?

[TecHNooB]

I currently work in a union factory. No, I'm not part of the union. I work in one of the front offices. Before I got this job, I had no prior knowledge of what the union is (besides the obvious things you learn in history class ). It's annoying how easily ticked off these guys get if you are 'doing their job'. At times, you have to though, because they move waaaaaaay to slow and I'll never get anything done waiting for them to do their part. Any input from union guys?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
I currently work in a union factory. No, I'm not part of the union. I work in one of the front offices. Before I got this job, I had no prior knowledge of what the union is (besides the obvious things you learn in history class ). It's annoying how easily ticked off these guys get if you are 'doing their job'. At times, you have to though, because they move waaaaaaay to slow and I'll never get anything done waiting for them to do their part. Any input from union guys?

I hope you have FR clothing on.... There are some rabid folks in these parts...

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
I currently work in a union factory. No, I'm not part of the union. I work in one of the front offices. Before I got this job, I had no prior knowledge of what the union is (besides the obvious things you learn in history class ). It's annoying how easily ticked off these guys get if you are 'doing their job'. At times, you have to though, because they move waaaaaaay to slow and I'll never get anything done waiting for them to do their part. Any input from union guys?

Ahh classic. My boss worked for a public university and talked about how he wanted to move his desk about 12 inches to the left. He finally did it himself and somebody freaked out about how that was a union job and made him move it back until a union guy showed up to do it.

It is simply insane how some of this crap continues to keep going.

 

[Orignal Earl]

USW

I'd vote to let you help me do my job.

 

[Lemon law]

Union rules can be carried to extremes as the above example demonstrates. But still the pendulum of need swing very slowly and out of phase with the times. As Unions membership drops to ever less significant numbers, the very abuses that required the growth of unions in the first place will come back and make them necessary again.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Union rules can be carried to extremes as the above example demonstrates. But still the pendulum of need swing very slowly and out of phase with the times. As Unions membership drops to ever less significant numbers, the very abuses that required the growth of unions in the first place will come back and make them necessary again.

my leige lord says that u beist full of crap... i must now return to my fields to plow with my bare toenails...

hussein won't let the evil capitalists mistreat workers like the early century dems did... the current manifestation of unions have destroyed themselves... they need to die and be recreated, if needed, down the road somewhere...

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: cubeless

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Union rules can be carried to extremes as the above example demonstrates. But still the pendulum of need swing very slowly and out of phase with the times. As Unions membership drops to ever less significant numbers, the very abuses that required the growth of unions in the first place will come back and make them necessary again.

my leige lord says that u beist full of crap... i must now return to my fields to plow with my bare toenails...

hussein won't let the evil capitalists mistreat workers like the early century dems did... the current manifestation of unions have destroyed themselves... they need to die and be recreated, if needed, down the road somewhere...

Yes, perhaps they will be needed, but certainly currently they are not, although to renact them may be an involved effort, to say the least. One thing's for sure, though: when a guy is making $70k/year doing a job a 16 year old can be trained to do on the weekend (and he'd be willing to do) for $25k, there's a guy who's overpaid.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
One thing's for sure, though: when a guy is making $70k/year doing a job a 16 year old can be trained to do on the weekend (and he'd be willing to do) for $25k, there's a guy who's overpaid.

I didn't know your field was Unionized.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Yes, perhaps they will be needed, but certainly currently they are not,

The owners of my shop mentioned during negotiations that a monkey could do anyone of our jobs. They stated no one deserved anything above 8$ an hr. They rarely even followed labour laws ( O.T. etc)
The owners were born millionaires and argued for months how a person could survive on 8$ an hr
Unions are still needed

 

[KB]

I worked as a consultant for a short time in a union business, that had brought the IT group into the union. I was warned several times not to do things because so and so had to do them (for example moving my monitor). To get any database changes took weeks. Each group did only one thing and spent most of their time doing nothing. For example one guy did all oracle stuff, but couldn't touch SQL Server. People would often buy their own laptops because going through IT would take too long. It was frustrating at times, but man did they have it good. They were paid well, had plenty of vacations, lots of training classes.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Skoorb
One thing's for sure, though: when a guy is making $70k/year doing a job a 16 year old can be trained to do on the weekend (and he'd be willing to do) for $25k, there's a guy who's overpaid.

I didn't know your field was Unionized.

Actually, my department is looking to clone me and has been unable to find another, so it's safe to say that a 16 year old couldn't be trained over the weekend to do it!

 

[BoomerD]

30+ years as a Union Operating Engineer. Wouldn't have it any other way. I agree that perhaps some jobs don't need unions, nor do well with them, but I DO NOT agree that the time of unions is past. If you look at states that have adopted the Right to Work (for less ) laws, wages have dropped across the board for employees in those primarily unionized jobs and things continue to get worse overall.
If all unions were done away with in this country, wages would begin to spiral downward until they hit rock bottom. You folks who claim that a business pays decent wages to attract good people forget that if there were no unions propping up wages, and that if all companies started paying shitty wages, people would have to accept whatever the job paid...or leave to go to another shitty-paying job. These things feed off of each other, and are very closely intertwined.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Yes, perhaps they will be needed, but certainly currently they are not,

The owners of my shop mentioned during negotiations that a monkey could do anyone of our jobs. They stated no one deserved anything above 8$ an hr. They rarely even followed labour laws ( O.T. etc)
The owners were born millionaires and argued for months how a person could survive on 8$ an hr
Unions are still needed

ummm why do you still work for them then??

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Yes, perhaps they will be needed, but certainly currently they are not,

The owners of my shop mentioned during negotiations that a monkey could do anyone of our jobs. They stated no one deserved anything above 8$ an hr. They rarely even followed labour laws ( O.T. etc)
The owners were born millionaires and argued for months how a person could survive on 8$ an hr
Unions are still needed

ummm why do you still work for them then??

Fight the fight for the little guy, this was all years ago, and I'm still there. Through thick and thin and all that.
right?

 

[bctbct]

If you really care about increasing production just tell your boss that he can fire you and 8 union guys can pitch in and do your work.

Its the same thing...they see you as a threat to their job.

If you are bored go clean the toilets.

 

[trenchfoot]

perspective is a powerful thing. usually, from the view of the have-nots, every single person making more than them is making too much. it doesn't matter at all if their jobs are similar or not. there is rationalization, over-inflated egos and jealousy that they can rely on to justify the predicament they find themselves in.

otoh, there are unions who do a good job at the bargaining table, and there are union members who stand united to support whoever is bargaining for them.

to portray management as the hapless victims in any bargaining agreement is to ignore the fact that it's management that has agreed to terms after what may have been a months long arduous task to find common ground.

how anyone can blame only the unions for the working conditions at any place of employ that unions exist and completely ignore the fact that management is expressly complicit in contributing to the working conditions due to the bargaining agreement that both parties agreed to is beyond comprehension.

if management thought that the policies of the unions that exists at their facilities were hindering and/or obstructing their management rights to run the company in a way that ensures profitability and longevity, they have the means to re-negotiate their contracts or wait until the agreement they have in place expires and negotiate anew.

if management cannot enforce their company policies as agreed to in their bargaining agreement it is not the fault nor the job of the unions to step in and do the job for them.

if management cannot control maverick managers that feel that the unions have absolutely no say in how they run their domains, then it is management's job to control and discipline their own, for the simple reason that these wayward managers are violating terms of the contract that their own management agreed to. thus they are not disobeying the union, they are disobeying their own management team.

i can go on and on with this, but the point needs to be made that management is just as responsible or even more so for the working conditions found at any establishment that allow unions to exist.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
perspective is a powerful thing. usually, from the view of the have-nots, every single person making more than them is making too much. it doesn't matter at all if their jobs are similar or not. there is rationalization, over-inflated egos and jealousy that they can rely on to justify the predicament they find themselves in.

otoh, there are unions who do a good job at the bargaining table, and there are union members who stand united to support whoever is bargaining for them.

to portray management as the hapless victims in any bargaining agreement is to ignore the fact that it's management that has agreed to terms after what may have been a months long arduous task to find common ground.

how anyone can blame only the unions for the working conditions at any place of employ that unions exist and completely ignore the fact that management is expressly complicit in contributing to the working conditions due to the bargaining agreement that both parties agreed to is beyond comprehension.

if management thought that the policies of the unions that exists at their facilities were hindering and/or obstructing their management rights to run the company in a way that ensures profitability and longevity, they have the means to re-negotiate their contracts or wait until the agreement they have in place expires and negotiate anew.

if management cannot enforce their company policies as agreed to in their bargaining agreement it is not the fault nor the job of the unions to step in and do the job for them.

if management cannot control maverick managers that feel that the unions have absolutely no say in how they run their domains, then it is management's job to control and discipline their own, for the simple reason that these wayward managers are violating terms of the contract that their own management agreed to. thus they are not disobeying the union, they are disobeying their own management team.

i can go on and on with this, but the point needs to be made that management is just as responsible or even more so for the working conditions found at any establishment that allow unions to exist.

:thumbsup:

 

[Moonbeam]

These union assholes are the same people who own businesses and screw over their employees; one pile of scum against another, or else, folk who are negative about life because they hate themselves.