Any tips for a WoW Pally?

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285


youve obviously never played a skilled hunter, or a shadow priest for that matter... ive never lost to an equal level rogue with my priest or my hunter...

ever...

in fact ive beaten many rogues +2 and +3 lvls higher than me with my hunter... rogues are pretty much the only class i can beat with my hunter on a regular basis...

I officially declare shenanigans on you. You are lying. Yes I am looking you in the face and calling you a liar. I've never done this in all my 3000+ posts. You are a liar.


Hunters are absolute PvP chumps. Rogues may have a weakness somewhere but the hunter ain't it. I know you feel bad about getting your butt handed to you all the time, but hiding from the truth is not the answer to your problem. Furthermore I do not believe that you have simply failed to find a rogue of decent skill as you imply with me. The difference between a rogue and hunter in PvP means that even a marginal difference in skill will have you looking up at the sky.

I do not intend to argue about this. I do not intend to prove my point in the slightest. I will keep this very simple:

Shenanigans on you!!

 

[chowmein]

well smilin, don't go overboard. i'm a L44 Hunter myself and i've beaten a few Rogues a level or 2 higher than me. but for the most part i get owned 95% of them time.

hunters in their deadzone are helpless. concussions and wing clip make it so you don't get owned horribly, but its not enough to beat rogues.

best PvP class/talent: Shadow Priest. how the heck do you stop these guys???

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: chowmein
well smilin, don't go overboard. i'm a L44 Hunter myself and i've beaten a few Rogues a level or 2 higher than me. but for the most part i get owned 95% of them time.

hunters in their deadzone are helpless. concussions and wing clip make it so you don't get owned horribly, but its not enough to beat rogues.

best PvP class/talent: Shadow Priest. how the heck do you stop these guys???

You Chowmein, I do not declare shenanigans on. A hunter can beat a rogue in the right circumstances or if there is a difference in skill. Yes I'll certainly agree to that. I have not seen it happen myself but I'll still believe it.


I do, however, renew my previous declaration of shenanigans on Litchfield285.

 

[Schadenfroh]

this thread is starting to go down hill

 

[Litchfield285]

Originally posted by: Smilin
I do, however, renew my previous declaration of shenanigans on Litchfield285.

Well, first things first, why would I lie on an internet message board? I have no reason to lie. I have, and continue to, beat rogues +2-+3 lvls with my hunter. I have only lost to /1/ rogue in a 1v1 duel.... 1 time...

In the majority of pvp situations the rogues who have beaten me have ganked me from behind right as i was done finishing off a mob, the majority of rogues who have stealthed up to me with full health have lost, that is within that +3 lvl difference... and furthermore any rogue who has confronted me head on has lost handily...

I stand by my previous statement... a well played hunter can beat a well played rogue any day of the week...

Now if you were speaking of any other class you would be right... I pretty much cannot beat any other class in pvp... rogues are the only class Ive EVER been able to beat time and time again.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: housecat
this is why i hate rogues, i just want them dead.

always cocky ect... i hope blizzard hits them upside the head with the nerf bat so hard.

but mostly its not rogues fault, but ppl who take this game so seriously.. listen to both of you.

heh, you've had your butt handed to you by a rogue several times eh? Humble pie tastes so bitter doesn't it?

But seriously, dude it's no biggie. Rogues are supposed to be good at PvP. There's also a certain "evil bastard" mentality that goes with them. I've always played a Rogue/thief in RPGs ever since the Ultima days.

If it makes you feel better we get to sh1t ourselves on occasion when stealth fails in the middle of pack of mobs. We're only one step up from wearing cloth even at level 60.

mmm tasty humble pie mmm mmm good!

Its not humble pie, the nerf is already in the works. Its just plain overpowered.

<== 60 priest that gets destroyed by rogues daily.

 

[torpid]

Hunters are excellent against rogues if they know the rogue is near. Flare, hunter's mark, traps, and maybe the soon to be buffed (haven't read the test results yet) stealth detection are excellent tools. That's a big if there, though. Not sure why the dead zone is important in rogue v hunter. Someone care to elaborate? It's a big issue against casters, though.

 

[Gurck]

As a healing specced shaman without much interest or skill in PvP, on a PvE server, rogues are the only class I've found myself able to beat on a consistent basis. I don't kite them around with frost shock either.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Its not humble pie, the nerf is already in the works. Its just plain overpowered.

<== 60 priest that gets destroyed by rogues daily.

Actually I've heard they are going to finally fix our Vanish skill!!! That will rock PvE. If you're a tard this will mean more trouble since it should break spells finally. If you're smart you're already using DOT that stops vanish from working anyway.

Rogues are NOT overpowered. It's a MELEE class that has LEATHER armor. Let that sink in for a second. Blizzard has balanced the classes quite well and with this distict disadvantage they have balanced it by giving rogues a high dps. (don't count stealth - too many counters to it). Stop crying nerf because you suck. It's not MY fault.

I bet after the next patch in which no one in particular gets nerfed you start crying when you get beat. Is that what you're going to do, cry? Come on and cry for us lil baby, Crrryyyyyyy!

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285

Originally posted by: Smilin
I do, however, renew my previous declaration of shenanigans on Litchfield285.

< blah blah blah.... lies lies lies... blah blah blah... unsubstantiated crap talking... more lies... blah blah... >

If you wish to speak rationally, you may un-STFU. Until then...


Shenanigans!!!! You have talked crap, sir and you have been called on it!!!

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
this thread is starting to go down hill

Starting? Looks like a full-blown e-penis measuring contest to me...

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
this thread is starting to go down hill

Starting? Looks like a full-blown e-penis measuring contest to me...

Yeah, sorry. Just hate crap talking. I spose I'm stooping down tho.

As for pally tips: Use that AOE spell against rogues - knocks em out of stealth pretty easy.

there

 

[Litchfield285]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Litchfield285

Originally posted by: Smilin
I do, however, renew my previous declaration of shenanigans on Litchfield285.

< blah blah blah.... lies lies lies... blah blah blah... unsubstantiated crap talking... more lies... blah blah... >

If you wish to speak rationally, you may un-STFU. Until then...


Shenanigans!!!! You have talked crap, sir and you have been called on it!!!

Riiiight. Like I said, I have no reason to lie...

Well whatever, if only you were on sargeras...

 

[zzzz]

Actually if a hunter gets a a drop on rogue, 90% of the time he will win. (if he knows what he is doing)
If a rogue gets a drop on hunter, he will win 99% of time.

 

[nageov3t]

yeah. bad part about Rogue v Hunter is that us rogues can't take advantage of the hunter's dead zone (at least as far as I know).

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Litchfield285

Originally posted by: Smilin
I do, however, renew my previous declaration of shenanigans on Litchfield285.

< blah blah blah.... lies lies lies... blah blah blah... unsubstantiated crap talking... more lies... blah blah... >

If you wish to speak rationally, you may un-STFU. Until then...


Shenanigans!!!! You have talked crap, sir and you have been called on it!!!

Riiiight. Like I said, I have no reason to lie...

Well whatever, if only you were on sargeras...

You could agree to copy your characters to the test realm and meet up at such and such date/time, this would settle it.

 

[zzzz]

Originally posted by: loki8481
yeah. bad part about Rogue v Hunter is that us rogues can't take advantage of the hunter's dead zone (at least as far as I know).

why would you? You can just go melle the hunter and destroy him.(crip poison 2 is a must) The dead zone against hunters is for caster who are weak in melle.

 

[Litchfield285]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Litchfield285

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Litchfield285

Originally posted by: Smilin
I do, however, renew my previous declaration of shenanigans on Litchfield285.

< blah blah blah.... lies lies lies... blah blah blah... unsubstantiated crap talking... more lies... blah blah... >

If you wish to speak rationally, you may un-STFU. Until then...


Shenanigans!!!! You have talked crap, sir and you have been called on it!!!

Riiiight. Like I said, I have no reason to lie...

Well whatever, if only you were on sargeras...

You could agree to copy your characters to the test realm and meet up at such and such date/time, this would settle it.

good idea. what level are you smilin?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Its not humble pie, the nerf is already in the works. Its just plain overpowered.

<== 60 priest that gets destroyed by rogues daily.

Actually I've heard they are going to finally fix our Vanish skill!!! That will rock PvE. If you're a tard this will mean more trouble since it should break spells finally. If you're smart you're already using DOT that stops vanish from working anyway.

Rogues are NOT overpowered. It's a MELEE class that has LEATHER armor. Let that sink in for a second. Blizzard has balanced the classes quite well and with this distict disadvantage they have balanced it by giving rogues a high dps. (don't count stealth - too many counters to it). Stop crying nerf because you suck. It's not MY fault.

I bet after the next patch in which no one in particular gets nerfed you start crying when you get beat. Is that what you're going to do, cry? Come on and cry for us lil baby, Crrryyyyyyy!

Im not crying at all. I dont pvp now, im a holy priest, im intended for group pvp, which i will do when pvp is more than griefing people.

When im solo i often get ganked by rogues, i dont get upset by it, but others do. If i get attacked by anyone remotely skilled, im either stunned or sapped the entire fight, and never even get a chance to return fire.

It will get nerfed, because every MMORPG to date has put diminishing returns on stuns and other disabling abilities (like polymorph and root). WoW has not implemented this yet.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

It will get nerfed, because every MMORPG to date has put diminishing returns on stuns and other disabling abilities (like polymorph and root). WoW has not implemented this yet.

They implemented this a long time ago. Where ya been? It's also cumulative between stun types (I *think*) as in a cheapshot stun followed by a gouge stun will diminish the gouge stun even though it's a different type

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Its not humble pie, the nerf is already in the works. Its just plain overpowered.

<== 60 priest that gets destroyed by rogues daily.

Patch is out. No nerf, sorry. They fixed our Vanish (or at least attempted to), fixed our combo point bug, and increased the damage of our backstab and ambush.

 

[Litchfield285]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Its not humble pie, the nerf is already in the works. Its just plain overpowered.

<== 60 priest that gets destroyed by rogues daily.

Patch is out. No nerf, sorry. They fixed our Vanish (or at least attempted to), fixed our combo point bug, and increased the damage of our backstab and ambush.

Whenever they bring the test servers up again, I'd like to setup a time for us to duel...

Guess that wont be for a while now though, but ill definetly remember this thread...

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Concillian

Originally posted by: housecat
Plate armor, heals, decent damage.. can't complain besides that he might not be the best for grouping.

Depends on what you consider 'decent damage' I can't think of a single class that isn't capable of outdamaging a pally. Maybe a holy spec priest or a survival specced Hunter, but that's about it.

There are a LOT of paladins, and they, for whatever reason, seem to attract players who are generally a little more clueless than other classes. That is a generalization, and there are well played pally's too, but you will have to put up with the 'general opinions' because some people will judge you solely based on others of your class they have met. I think few people think of the good paladins they've grouped with (paladins are like hunters in that respect, they are always fighting an uphill battle in terms of general opinion, because they seem to attract the 'most clueless' people, for whatever reason)

I played a pally for a while, and it wasn't really my kind of playstyle.

You don't know the game, obviously. As a 60 rogue, I have little trouble killing 60 paladins. Considering paladins have far superior armor to any rogue, heals and lay hands, it seems pretty rediculous to think a paladin outdamages a rogue. Considering I have fewer HPs than a paly and a crappy AC comparatively, I'd say you're wrong.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: exilera

Originally posted by: Concillian

Originally posted by: housecat
Plate armor, heals, decent damage.. can't complain besides that he might not be the best for grouping.

Depends on what you consider 'decent damage' I can't think of a single class that isn't capable of outdamaging a pally. Maybe a holy spec priest or a survival specced Hunter, but that's about it.

There are a LOT of paladins, and they, for whatever reason, seem to attract players who are generally a little more clueless than other classes. That is a generalization, and there are well played pally's too, but you will have to put up with the 'general opinions' because some people will judge you solely based on others of your class they have met. I think few people think of the good paladins they've grouped with (paladins are like hunters in that respect, they are always fighting an uphill battle in terms of general opinion, because they seem to attract the 'most clueless' people, for whatever reason)

I played a pally for a while, and it wasn't really my kind of playstyle.

You don't know the game, obviously. As a 60 rogue, I have little trouble killing 60 paladins. Considering paladins have far superior armor to any rogue, heals and lay hands, it seems pretty rediculous to think a paladin outdamages a rogue. Considering I have fewer HPs than a paly and a crappy AC comparatively, I'd say you're wrong.

I basically said that every class can outdamage a pally.

You need to brush up on your reading comprehension.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Its not humble pie, the nerf is already in the works. Its just plain overpowered.

<== 60 priest that gets destroyed by rogues daily.

Actually I've heard they are going to finally fix our Vanish skill!!! That will rock PvE. If you're a tard this will mean more trouble since it should break spells finally. If you're smart you're already using DOT that stops vanish from working anyway.

Rogues are NOT overpowered. It's a MELEE class that has LEATHER armor. Let that sink in for a second. Blizzard has balanced the classes quite well and with this distict disadvantage they have balanced it by giving rogues a high dps. (don't count stealth - too many counters to it). Stop crying nerf because you suck. It's not MY fault.

I bet after the next patch in which no one in particular gets nerfed you start crying when you get beat. Is that what you're going to do, cry? Come on and cry for us lil baby, Crrryyyyyyy!

Im not crying at all. I dont pvp now, im a holy priest, im intended for group pvp, which i will do when pvp is more than griefing people.

When im solo i often get ganked by rogues, i dont get upset by it, but others do. If i get attacked by anyone remotely skilled, im either stunned or sapped the entire fight, and never even get a chance to return fire.

It will get nerfed, because every MMORPG to date has put diminishing returns on stuns and other disabling abilities (like polymorph and root). WoW has not implemented this yet.

The only priest who has ever consistently beat me is a holy spec priest. Perhpas you just need to learn to pvp