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Any tablet besides the Surface with an HD5000?

Laptops, tablets, schmablets - IMHO, I consider them as all portables. Without a BT keyboard, a tablet is almost useless for anything but enterntainment.
 
corkyg said:
Laptops, tablets, schmablets - IMHO, I consider them as all portables. Without a BT keyboard, a tablet is almost useless for anything but enterntainment.
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Portability is the common attribute. The way to interact with the device is different.

You do not use a Macbook Air by holding by its screen and then try to smash your fingers on the LCD or even use a capacitative stylus while the keyboard is sticking up vertically towards the sky.

They are called tablets because the form factor and means of operating is loosely like tablets that are not computers. Those tablets, be they a pad of paper or a piece of stone has the characteristic of being a flat, holdable slab of stuff. Laptops are not flat slabs that can be held in ones hands and manipulate directly via the fingers. They are controlled through the keyboard, with a screen you stare at and do not hold, and placed on a surface rather than held and be manipulated by the fingers.
 
Moved to Mobile since this is a question about a slate-style tablet. Could also be in SFF & Notebooks.

mfenn
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The problem is the Surface Pro 3 with an i5 already throttles heavily when gaming, even with the latest firmware update. It's questionable how much benefit the i7/HD5000 model will even provide.

Tablets probably don't have sufficient cooling to game with an HD5000, which is why we have so few.
 
Isn't the throttling pretty much comparable to the 11" Air in terms of how it tanks under sustained load? I don't see pages and pages of posts about it, do you? It's a entertainment machine which can take light gaming. It's not a PC gaming tablet. Any extreme thin and light in the same vein will have similar issues. Duh
 
vbuggy said:
Isn't the throttling pretty much comparable to the 11" Air in terms of how it tanks under sustained load? I don't see pages and pages of posts about it, do you? It's a entertainment machine which can take light gaming. It's not a PC gaming tablet. Any extreme thin and light in the same vein will have similar issues. Duh
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If the Macbook Air throttles aggressively, then I imagine there probably is pages and pages of complaints about it somewhere. I've never owned a Macbook, so I don't hang out on those forums.

Well the OP was asking about the HD5000, which probably means gaming, so that's why we are talking about it. 🙂
 
Galatian said:
Ok...so no other tablet?

This sound extremely cheesy, but I want a mobile console to play Civilization V ;-)
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Then you shouldn't bother looking for something with a HD5000. I use a Surface Pro 1 with a HD4000 and it plays fine. The HD4200 in the Surface Pro 3 i3 version should also suffice.

Even the BayTrail tablets can play Civ V. I think it's more of a CPU issue the longer you play in between turns.
 
bearxor said:
Then you shouldn't bother looking for something with a HD5000. I use a Surface Pro 1 with a HD4000 and it plays fine. The HD4200 in the Surface Pro 3 i3 version should also suffice.

Even the BayTrail tablets can play Civ V. I think it's more of a CPU issue the longer you play in between turns.
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That is my impression too. Plays pretty well, even on Baytrail as you say, at first. Then bogs down later in the game as it has to calculate more actions. Feels like the burden is on the CPU. Also the game doesn't seem to take advantage of the Core i7's hyperthreading either, so a Core i5 should be enough.
 
I think I'm just going to take the Surface Pro 2. Seems like thermals are better on that one, so GPU wise both are the same.
 
If I recall (don't quote me) is that Civ 5 loves single threaded performance. Since it is a turn based game, a lot of things are sequential and depend on what happened before. Thus it really hammers a single thread used for the ai and such.

Real Time Strategies do not need as much single threaded performance since if program correctly each unit can have its own AI and such and thus can saturate multiple cpu cores. With RTS what is the big determining factor is that time is always moving, unlike a turn based game where your actions are static and can not move until you see what city A does to city B, or what AI 1 does to AI 2 and AI2 does to the player.
 
Well you really don't have much choice in the tablet form factor. The only question for me was, which GPU is better. I thought that the HD5000 would be better, but it looks like it really is not. Only question remains, how soon will we see a Surface Pro 4 with Broadwell?
 
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