Power-A Controllers for the PS3 negate this, and they are dirt cheap at Walmart and Toys'R'Us here in the states. Racing games on the 360? You mean Forza 3 and 3.5errrr4.0 right? Because those are good games but they aren't close to the realism you get in Gran Tourismo 5. Oh... and how about your wheel support on the 360? Non-existant (or really expensive) for real racing outings where you need a lot of degrees of motion.
Forza is geared at having fun and dumbs down the simulation. GT5 ups the simulation at the expense of arcadesque fun.
Yeah...no.
I own both. Forza 4 and GT 5 XL.
F4 so VASTLY destroys GT5 in all ways that matter as a game, and is just as competent a sim. I challenge you, or anyone, to show otherwise. Turning off all aids and assits on both, the driving feel is largely the same.
Except for crash and bump physics, which are HORRENDOUSLY modeled on GT5. No, I'm not talking about bullshit cosmetic scrapes and dents, I'm talking about what happens during a 10 car race when the car behind you bumps you at 60 miles an hour during a turn. The answer? A hollow thud sound (that doesn't even SOUND like cars colliding), and ZERO, I repeat ZERO, impact on my trajectory or physics. That. is.
bullshit. Collisions and physics are a tremendous part of track racing, and the fact that GT5 just totally disregards that is inexcusable, and TOTALLY ruins multi-car races.
Furthermore, who are you, or anyone to truly debate the "simulation" qualities? Seriously? I own two sports cars featured in both and have driven both around a track. The handling dynamic and driveability is pretty damn spot on in both I'd say. Internet nerds who claim to know enough to label one a sim and one an arcade game based on 10/10ths handling of an exotic Italian super car are drinking the fanboy kool aid, pure and simple. On the track, they are both equally competent and faithful sims for what they offer.
In all other areas, Forza so easily destroys GT it's not even funny:
-Better menus
-VASTLY better, more varied car selection (not 50 different Nissans)
-VASTLY better customization
-Vastly better online play and functionality
-Vastly better sound
-Vastly better career/events mode
-Vastly better approach to the GAME!
...I can go into Forza anytime I'd like, and drive ANY CAR I WANT on ANY TRACK I want. This cannot be overstated. I don't feel like and shouldn't have to EARN every car I just want to drive and get a feel for. That's
gamey bullshit. Sure, in a career mode to earn points, that's fair. But if I want to fire up the game, and hot lap half a dozen different cars around the Top Gear test track, I should damn well be able to. If I want to see how a BMW Z4 stacks up against a Porsche Boxster S (gl with that, GT

), I should be able to.
And that, honestly, is where I spend most of my time. F4's real-world "play it the way you want to" approach is so refreshing from GT5's Japanese "have fun the way we say, dammit!". If I want to race an R8 against a 458 against a Dodge Viper I will thank you very much.
I'm so tired of the "well it's a better sim!" arugment I went out and fucking bought GT 5 new, and gave it upwards of 20 hours play time to prove itself. What I found was an equally accomplished sim, with a few more features options, and a vastly inferior approach to the game as a whole.
So convince yourself with whatever nonsensical argument you need to to justify your purchasing insecurities, you're not going to convince those who know what they're talking about.