Any realistic games to learn to drive stick? I have a Logitech G25 wheel

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nobb

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Before anyone laughs, yes, I know no game is going to be like driving the real thing, but Im just wondering if there are any games or simulators that would be good for practicing how to drive stick with a Logitech G25 racing wheel? It's got a 6 speed shifter and clutch. Just trying to learn the overall concept as best as I can because quite frankly, watching Youtube videos just isnt enough. Most of the racing games that I've played around with dont quite simulate the experience very well, especially in terms of having the car stall.

I did practice with a real car, but I dont think I did so well. Would prefer practicing on a simulator/game before I go out on the real thing again.
 
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None will give you the feedback you'll feel, and I don't think there will be any that stall the car or make it jump when you screw up. Don't even try and learn on the PC. Get a friend that has a stick, get them to teach you. Or get one that knows how to drive it, go rent one if they won't let you drive theirs, let them get it off the lot and teach you.
 
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The hardest part (IMO) is getting the smooth transition between your left foot and right foot down, which a video game is NOT going to teach you.

As far as I know, controllers like the G25 / G27 are a simple on / off button connected to a pedal that you toggle with your foot. So, in real life, you're using various levels of pressure on the clutch pedal to control how fast or smoothly the clutch is engaged / disengaged. With the racing wheel setups, it's just a matter of getting the pedal to a certain point to activate a button. There is no clutch slippage, jerky starts, etc. unless they program it in - and how could they, since all their code would see is "clutch engaged" or "clutch disengaged" versus "clutch disc barely making contact with flywheel and smoking badly" in real life.
 
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If any game will have it, it would be GT5. I'd hope the G29 will have a realistic clutch feel but that's a dream.
 
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CurseTheSky said:
The hardest part (IMO) is getting the smooth transition between your left foot and right foot down, which a video game is NOT going to teach you.

As far as I know, controllers like the G25 / G27 are a simple on / off button connected to a pedal that you toggle with your foot. So, in real life, you're using various levels of pressure on the clutch pedal to control how fast or smoothly the clutch is engaged / disengaged. With the racing wheel setups, it's just a matter of getting the pedal to a certain point to activate a button. There is no clutch slippage, jerky starts, etc. unless they program it in - and how could they, since all their code would see is "clutch engaged" or "clutch disengaged" versus "clutch disc barely making contact with flywheel and smoking badly" in real life.
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analog pedals
 
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haaa no way, I'd imagine any game would let you dump the clutch with full throttle and the car will take off just fine.
 
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CurseTheSky said:
The hardest part (IMO) is getting the smooth transition between your left foot and right foot down, which a video game is NOT going to teach you.

As far as I know, controllers like the G25 / G27 are a simple on / off button connected to a pedal that you toggle with your foot. So, in real life, you're using various levels of pressure on the clutch pedal to control how fast or smoothly the clutch is engaged / disengaged. With the racing wheel setups, it's just a matter of getting the pedal to a certain point to activate a button. There is no clutch slippage, jerky starts, etc. unless they program it in - and how could they, since all their code would see is "clutch engaged" or "clutch disengaged" versus "clutch disc barely making contact with flywheel and smoking badly" in real life.
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Analog pedal?
 
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You'll never replicate the feel of the clutch engaging on any computer game pedals, analog or not. And then there's the feel of the car, engine sound/feel as it lugs or not, etc.

The only way to learn to drive a clutch is practice with a real vehicle. No substitute.
 
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GTR2 / Race 07, Live for Speed, rFactor are probably your best bets. I am 99% sure you can stall in GTR2.

halik said:
haaa no way, I'd imagine any game would let you dump the clutch with full throttle and the car will take off just fine.
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Any real car will...just with lots of wheelspin, which you'll get just tromping on the throttle in Forza anyway. :p
 
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jlee said:
GTR2 / Race 07, Live for Speed, rFactor are probably your best bets. I am 99% sure you can stall in GTR2.



Any real car will...just with lots of wheelspin, which you'll get just tromping on the throttle in Forza anyway. :p
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This. I have a clutch/6spped shifter setup for GTR2 and it does stall. It's certainly still a far cry from a real car, but it's probably your best bet for learning stick. I haven't tried it on lfs or rfactor, but both are in the same league in simulation.

GTR2 would even give you that jerky hoppity motion if you don't disengage the clutch right. Make sure you download a street car for GTR2 when you try it on there. It feels a lot more like a real car rather than a fully spec'ed race car.

Check this out.. M3 Challenge, it's basically a free GTR2 with only M3 on it.
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/mseries/m3coupe/2007/experience/game/content.html
 
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I have driven a real manual car as stated in my first post, but I just dont think I did as well as I should have. I'd rather practice the right motions and have that ingrained in my memory before going out again on the real thing again.

I have GTR2 and did alright in that game, even made it through most of the training courses. The car does indeed stall in this game but it's nowhere near the feel of the real thing as to be expected. I was just wondering if it's even possible for a game to simulate the experience better than GTR2.
 
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nobb said:
I have driven a real manual car as stated in my first post, but I just dont think I did as well as I should have. I'd rather practice the right motions and have that ingrained in my memory before going out again on the real thing again.
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You didn't do well because you're new. What better way to learn than the real thing? Seriously, forget about video games and go practice on a real vehicle. Not trying to be harsh but there's more to it than just getting your feet right.
 
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nobb said:
I have driven a real manual car as stated in my first post, but I just dont think I did as well as I should have. I'd rather practice the right motions and have that ingrained in my memory before going out again on the real thing again.
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How do you think every single other driver who can drive stick learned? They went out and practised, and stalled, and cursed, and got annoyed, and tried again, and swore never to drive again, until they got it and it became second nature.

Seriously, dont waste your time. Learning via a game controller will more than likely teach you bad habits that dont correspond to real world driving. Just get in a car, and drive around a parking lot if you have to. Its the best way, and only, way to learn.
 
exar333

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Rent a manual car for a week and learn it! I checked a few car rental places, and they do usually have manuals available (not many though).
 
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HarryLui

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Go drive one in a empty lot.

Stop
Clutch in, shift to 1st gear, clutch out.
Go 10 ft, clutch in, neutral, clutch out.
Stop

If you can repeat 10 times without stalling, you are ready for the main road.
 
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