Any non-US forum members?

[Stunt]

This is a quote from forum member Ozoned:

When has Us policy ever been shaped by Canadian public opinion ? Your view on any topic in Us politics
is irrelevant unless you decide to become a citizen of the Us.

Isn't there a Canadian Political forum you could participate in, where your views might get weighed.

Instead of posting with us about Us, you could post with fellow Canadians about Us..

I thought this would bring up some interesting discussion on the validity of internaltional forum members input on US politics and news topics.

Personally i feel that outside sources can help present information and conclusions from a different perspective.

We can observe points which if not expressed by US members which may have been overlooked.

And most important of all, that the US agenda affects people in all nations. US politics are important around the world and when you have a superpower with one leader it is a worldly discussion.

Looking for international posters to express why our posts are just as valid as US posters, pr US posters that are offended/confused why we would post on US topics in this forum.

PS. Representing Ottawa Canada here.

 

[Painman]

It's the Mods' job to decide what gets posted in here, or by who, it's not the job of Ozoned, HoP, etc.

 

[Perknose]

United States foreign policy affects the entire world. As an American, I welcome all views, and fear none.

By Ozoned's dictates, even citizens of the mighty Coalition of the Willing couldn't post here. Brits, whose soldiers die alongside ours in Iraq, couldn't post here.

His view is sadly shared by others. I am not one of them.

 

[Ozoned]

We can observe points which if not expressed by US members which may have been overlooked.[/b]



I would also like to hear the views of non us citizens, who beleive their views are superior to Us views on Us politics and therefore should be weighed..

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Perknose
United States foreign policy affects the entire world. As an American, I welcome all views, and fear none.

By Ozoned's dictates, even citizens of the mighty Coalition of the Willing couldn't post here. Brits, whose soldiers die alongside ours in Iraq, couldn't post here.

His view is sadly shared by others. I am not one of them.

At the moment my "dictate" is directed to Stunt..

If Stunt were to contribute with more than just opinion, I would not even have a problem with that..

There are enough "legitimate" Bush Bashers posting here..

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

We can observe points which if not expressed by US members which may have been overlooked.[/b]



I would also like to hear the views of non us citizens, who beleive their views are superior to Us views on Us politics and therefore should be weighed..

So, according to you, US citizens talking about other countries' politics/policies is ok, but foreigners talking about US politics is not ok?

 

[Stunt]

I am by no means stating that international input is more or less valid/superior.

Ozoned has clearly stated that we should not be posting here as our "view on any topic in US politics
is irrelevant unless you decide to become a citizen of the US"

I am not talking about weighted opinons, that is one of the most irrational ideas i have ever heard.
If people's opinions were more valid, under your theory, some citizens should get more than one vote relative to the 'weaker view voter'

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: Ozoned

We can observe points which if not expressed by US members which may have been overlooked.[/b]



I would also like to hear the views of non us citizens, who beleive their views are superior to Us views on Us politics and therefore should be weighed..

So, according to you, US citizens talking about other countries' politics/policies is ok, but foreigners talking about US politics is not ok?

Thats pretty good spin , But no, I don't think it is appropriate for Stunt to Bash Bush, get called on it, and then cry for help from liberals that also like to Bash Bush.. But if you want to play his game then I guess thats your choice..

 

[freegeeks]

Ozoned is not the only American thinking that
just look at my sig

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Stunt
I am by no means stating that international input is more or less valid/superior.

Agree, You are stating that your input is superior

Ozoned has clearly stated that you should not be posting here as your "view on any topic in US politics
is irrelevant unless you decide to become a citizen of the US"

I am not talking about weighted opinons, that is one of the most irrational ideas i have ever heard.
If people's opinions were more valid, under your theory, some citizens should get more than one vote relative to the 'weaker view voter'

Fixed that quote for you...

 

[Stunt]

"You are stating that your input is superior"

Actually, YOU stated that my input was irrelevant, and i felt obligated to start the discussion with my opinion on why i should be allowed to post within these forums, and not just on Canadian forums with other Canadians.

Looking for other points of view to see if this is a general concensus of americans in this forum and if i am alone as an international poster.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Stunt


on why i should be allowed to post within these forums,

You got it all wrong, ehhh.It is not about permission.. You just need to think about what the message of what you post is, and how it will be weighed. Like I said earlier, You Bash Bush and I Bash you.. Thats how it works..If you Don't like the Bashing, Then STFU...

Looking for other points of view to see if this is a general concensus of americans in this forum and if i am alone as an international poster.

This is not a General concensus issue, It is an issue between you and I..

You are the fly and I am the flyswatter..:laugh:


Now if you would like to participate in a manner that is other than inflamatory, I would be happy to back off..

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: Ozoned

We can observe points which if not expressed by US members which may have been overlooked.[/b]



I would also like to hear the views of non us citizens, who beleive their views are superior to Us views on Us politics and therefore should be weighed..

So, according to you, US citizens talking about other countries' politics/policies is ok, but foreigners talking about US politics is not ok?

Thats pretty good spin , But no, I don't think it is appropriate for Stunt to Bash Bush, get called on it, and then cry for help from liberals that also like to Bash Bush.. But if you want to play his game then I guess thats your choice..

Whether its headscarves in France, labour relations in Germany, decriminalization in Canada or EU expansion Americans like to chime in. Now, when other people chime in to US politics, all you start getting defensive.

I don't know Stunt said, so I am talking in general. I talk about the US and Europe, and I don't have a problem with Americans or Europeans talking about Canada.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: Ozoned

We can observe points which if not expressed by US members which may have been overlooked.[/b]



I would also like to hear the views of non us citizens, who beleive their views are superior to Us views on Us politics and therefore should be weighed..

So, according to you, US citizens talking about other countries' politics/policies is ok, but foreigners talking about US politics is not ok?

Thats pretty good spin , But no, I don't think it is appropriate for Stunt to Bash Bush, get called on it, and then cry for help from liberals that also like to Bash Bush.. But if you want to play his game then I guess thats your choice..

Whether its headscarves in France, labour relations in Germany, decriminalization in Canada or EU expansion Americans like to chime in. Now, when other people chime in to US politics, all you start getting defensive.

I don't know Stunt said, so I am talking in general. I talk about the US and Europe, and I don't have a problem with Americans or Europeans talking about Canada.

Ayup, mtm, I like to chime in also, but I don't go to foreign websites on foreign political forums with a Blatant agenda of Bashing that foreign countries leadership just because it is popular within that country..

This action is just a 'Stunt'..

 

[sandorski]

Ignore him. This isn't a US website(location of servers is immaterial) nor is it a US political forum. It is an Internet website with a Politics and News forum that just happens to be mostly US focussed.

 

[rchiu]

Yeah, notice how only pro-Bush people who is afraid of criticism from foreigners? I guess even those dim wits knows that it's tough as it is to defend Bush from Americans and they don't dare to debate with people who actually knows one or two things about international politics and how things work outside of US.

 

[naddicott]

If these forums were a real US election and the international members wanted a vote, that would be a problem. Fortunately that's not the case. Nothing is accomplished here, other than sharing of information, ideas, opinions, and insults.

Unless the mods ban you, you're fine. I doubt they'll ever be banning based on nationality.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Don't listen to ozoned and his fascist rants against you expressing your opinion. You have every right to bash Bush as he does defending him.

 

[CanOWorms]

I don't think there's a problem with non-US people talking about US politics and news.

But what's ironic is that a lot of people go absolutely berserk if an American talks about certain non-US things. Some of them are even posting in this thread, oblivious to their hypocrisy. I've been told many times not to post about certain non-US related things because I am an American.

 

[Stunt]

That is quite unfortunate, if any opinion is paramount to global harmony, it is the american opinion and I am encouraged by the people who gather in forums such as these to discuss important moral issues.

I am sure everyone here at one point or another has changed their original stance on a topic due to other users proposing new factual information or displaying a side that you have never thought about.

I am curious to hear what topics you were shunned for participating in.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: naddicott
Nothing is accomplished here

well you got that right

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't think there's a problem with non-US people talking about US politics and news.

But what's ironic is that a lot of people go absolutely berserk if an American talks about certain non-US things. Some of them are even posting in this thread, oblivious to their hypocrisy. I've been told many times not to post about certain non-US related things because I am an American.

It is only those who obsess with certain foreign issues and start infinite new threads on the same subject that catch my ire. There's yourself and Euro/Immigrants, JGalt and France, and a few others. There certainly have been some who were non-US citizens who have done the same concerning the US, some have been banned, but that's no excuse to turn it around and do the same thing. Learn from DMcowen, make 1 thread per Subject and update accordingly.

You were correct in your response to my diatribe to you in that you are not the only 1 doing it, perhaps we should start a new thread pleading for the multithreads to stop. It's really getting ridiculous how many threads are being started on the same subject lately.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't think there's a problem with non-US people talking about US politics and news.

But what's ironic is that a lot of people go absolutely berserk if an American talks about certain non-US things. Some of them are even posting in this thread, oblivious to their hypocrisy. I've been told many times not to post about certain non-US related things because I am an American.

It is only those who obsess with certain foreign issues and start infinite new threads on the same subject that catch my ire. There's yourself and Euro/Immigrants, JGalt and France, and a few others. There certainly have been some who were non-US citizens who have done the same concerning the US, some have been banned, but that's no excuse to turn it around and do the same thing. Learn from DMcowen, make 1 thread per Subject and update accordingly.

You were correct in your response to my diatribe to you in that you are not the only 1 doing it, perhaps we should start a new thread pleading for the multithreads to stop. It's really getting ridiculous how many threads are being started on the same subject lately.

Those that pretend to be omnipotent superpowers among the mere mortals catch my ire.

I not only posted negative, but also positive information. I am not in the same class as them. I never add my own opinion as a thread, too. You are in the same class as them with your blind hate.

I did have 1 thread, and was attempting to create a part 2, but couldn't make one without flames. If you were truly un-biased, you would have seen that. Yet you were one of the ones destroying a thread, like an uncouth redneck.

Anyways, the bottom line is that I was told not to discuss issues involving minorities & immigrants in Europe because I can't possibly understand it since I'm American. That logic is too simple and childish. Should non-Americans not participate in discussions of the Iraqi torture threads? Of course not.

 

[Pepsei]

The thing is, if you really do live here, then they'll use the line "If you don't like it, leave this country".

how ironic.

 

[freegeeks]

Those that pretend to be omnipotent superpowers among the mere mortals catch my ire.

I not only posted negative, but also positive information. I am not in the same class as them. I never add my own opinion as a thread, too. You are in the same class as them with your blind hate.

I did have 1 thread, and was attempting to create a part 2, but couldn't make one without flames. If you were truly un-biased, you would have seen that. Yet you were one of the ones destroying a thread, like an uncouth redneck.

Anyways, the bottom line is that I was told not to discuss issues involving minorities & immigrants in Europe because I can't possibly understand it since I'm American. That logic is too simple and childish. Should non-Americans not participate in discussions of the Iraqi torture threads? Of course not.

the only hater is you buddy

btw 1 thread my ass - nobody believes that you don't have a hidden agenda for starting these threads

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