Any non-TN 24'' LCD good for gaming?
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I dont know if lag and ghosting are serious issues on some panels or just way overblown problems, but I got that soyo everyones been talkin about and play source on it every day with no problems.
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So far I've played COD 4, FEAR, FarCry, Rome Total War, and America's Army on my NEC 2470WNX, and no problems yet. No visible ghosting or smearing and no perceptible input lag.
What do you have against TN? You sound primarily concerned about gaming (given its the only thing you mentioned), and there are several very good 24" TN panels out there. The only reason I'd avoid TN would be if I was planning on using the panel for other things - graphical work and 2nd best sheer performance gaming option I'd go with S-IPS (I think there might be a trend that suggests S-IPS tend to have low input lag and their response times are generally faster than other panels of same/similar quoted response), general purpose use with an emphasis on media playback where you'll have multiple viewers or odd viewing angles I'd go with an MVA/PVA panel for better viewing angles and blacks and the fact that they're cheaper than S-IPS (although more expensive than TN). But in reality TN panels - especially the higher quality ones - have come a long way since the beginning and can offer a very great panel for use even outside of gaming.
Not in the 24" category. The only 24" IPS I know of is the NEC 2490, and it has the same amount of lag (1.5-2 frames average) as the best of the non-IPSes (NEC 2470, BenQ FP241W, etc.).
I will agree with that. I have played COD 2, HL2 w/Ep1 & Ep2 and Rome Total War. I couldn't be more pleased. Like Buck, I see no ghosting, smearing or input lag. Plus the NEC 2470 is great for my photo/video work. The perfect all around monitor. I'm surprised it does not get more kudos in the forum.
My guess is because:
1. XTKnight doesn't list it in his recommendations. He clearly knows more about LCD tech than I do, and he's got a valid reason why (there's only one in-depth "pro" review), but in my opinion, the 2470WNX is a much better choice than his recommended 24", the ViewSonic VX2435. Its faster (6ms/16ms vs. 8ms/20ms), has alot less input lag, much better ergonomics, and a DVI-D port instead of HDMI only. Its also more expensive, but in this case I think you get what you pay for.
2. It costs more and has less inputs than the only other 24" non-IPS that matches it: BenQ FP241. Since I don't need the extra A/V inputs, the scaler actually works (apparently the BenQ has scaling issues), and I like the NEC design and ergonomics much better, it was an easy decision. Now that the FP241W has been discontinued (and the VW has that ridiculous stand), I predict there will be more interest in the 2470WNX. There's only one 24" that beats it, and thats the $1100 NEC 2490.
Originally posted by: Deinonych
I finally pulled the trigger on the 2470WNX...should be here Monday.
I can't wait to hear your opinion, so please hurry back and post when you get it.
I was stunned as soon as I turned it on; the black boot screen made it instantly clear that the panel was perfectly uniform with no backlight issues. Then I ran the PassMark Monitor Test and found no dead or stuck pixels. Then I fired up some games and saw no input lag or ghosting...
This thing just radiates quality from the moment you open the box. Even the packaging is amazing...
Instead of the over-priced NEC I suggest you try and find a LG L245WP. Same panel, and it not only has all the inputs that the NEC lags, also has no gosting issues and the best lag time in the class
The monitor also has built-in scaling and a great stand which has height, tilt and swivel, alnog with the ability to turn the screen 90 degrees .
HDMI, HDCP etc and at a list price $100.00 lower than the NEC, a comparitive bargain!
The retail only version (LG L246WP) is being closed out and can be found at under $500.00 if you look hard enough.
Sorry to steal your quote but that's how my LG L246WP struck me
And I "stole" it at BB for $479.00
Glad I didn't hit the "buy button at the Egg on the 2470 the nite b4
Oh, as XT stated in the LCD thread, the reason he doesn't recommend the 2470 in this class is the (over)price!
The monitor also has built-in scaling and a great stand which has height, tilt and swivel, alnog with the ability to turn the screen 90 degrees .
HDMI, HDCP etc and at a list price $100.00 lower than the NEC, a comparitive bargain!
The retail only version (LG L246WP) is being closed out and can be found at under $500.00 if you look hard enough.
Sorry to steal your quote but that's how my LG L246WP struck me
And I "stole" it at BB for $479.00
Glad I didn't hit the "buy button at the Egg on the 2470 the nite b4
Oh, as XT stated in the LCD thread, the reason he doesn't recommend the 2470 in this class is the (over)price!
The L245WP is the "on-line" sales version the L246WP is the retail-they are both one and the same monitor.
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I almost went with the L245WP. However, I've owned several NEC monitors in the past, and I've always been very pleased with them for the reasons Buck Armstrong lists above (build quality, picture quality etc.) I've never owned an LG monitor, so personal experience trumps other peoples' opinions for me. YMMV.
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Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
I can't wait to hear your opinion, so please hurry back and post when you get it.
I was stunned as soon as I turned it on; the black boot screen made it instantly clear that the panel was perfectly uniform with no backlight issues. Then I ran the PassMark Monitor Test and found no dead or stuck pixels. Then I fired up some games and saw no input lag or ghosting...
This thing just radiates quality from the moment you open the box. Even the packaging is amazing...
So, the 2470WNX arrived today. Picture uniformity was wonderful as you described with no backlight bleeding. I loved the minimalist look to it, especially as this will be mounted on an arm.
Unfortunately, I noticed two transitory stuck green subpixels in the lower left quadrant. I say transitory because they aren't always stuck on -- only when a screen object is above them do they stay on. In other words, if I drag a window to the upper left quadrant (not covering the area where the pixels are), the two pixels glow bright green. It's the first time I've seen a stuck pixel behave this way. I'm going to try some of the fixes to see if I can get them to "unstick." If I can't, I will probably exchange it.
I've been happy with the Soyo. I bought mine back when the deal first came out in August, and have 2 more since then for use at work. Never had any problems with any of them (no stuck pixels or any other issues). Also, you can buy them locally at OfficeMax so can easily return it if there are any issues.
Yeah, the soyo 24" is a VA panel (verified by color uniformity at all horizontal and vertical viewing angles if you can get one plugged in at the store). The price is low due to its limited input options (only d-sub and dvi-d) and mediocre base. Otherwise, I'm very happy with mine for everyday gaming.
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