Any Nexus One users? Looking for an opinion / user review

CurseTheSky

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I'm considering grabbing a Nexus One when it comes out for Verizon (hopefully next week?). The reviews I've seen look great, but there are two things that concern me:

First, I've seen a few damning reviews about the touchscreen. Apparently it's a lower-quality touch screen than the Droid or iPhone, and while it still appears to work well, there are complaints about the multi-touch capabilities. A couple of video reviews show the touch screen mistaking the touch location and even switching axises during certain motions. Can anyone comment on how well it works, and if there are noticeable problems?

Second, almost every review I've watched shows the four bottom touch buttons being very difficult to activate. People seem to have to hit them over and over to get a response. Is this typical?

Thanks.
 

Pliablemoose

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Other posters here have had better results than me with it.

IMHO, the soft buttons on the bottom are a problem, as well as the cheap ass digitizer, and the mediocre RF sensitivity due to placement of the antenna in the device. Also somewhat disturbing is Googles lack of responses in the support forums.

Id hold out for a subsidized phone since they haven't announced a discounted plan if you bring your own phone... The Incredible looks pretty sweet...

http://www.dailytech.com/Sprint&#37... Gears up for HTC Incredible/article17915.htm
 
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dguy6789

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I've had my Nexus One for about a month and have used it every day.

The four buttons on the bottom are indeed a little weird at first, I can verify that. However, I can also verify that it's more of a perception problem of where and how you should push the button compared to what it actually is. Once you use it for a little while, you can push the button and have it be detected with 100% consistency. All you gotta do is push a little bit on the upper part of the button and keep your finger there a bit longer than a tap and it will work every time without issue. The phone also vibrates a small amount when you hit those buttons so you know without a doubt if you hit the button or not.

The only multi-touch I have used is pinch to zoom, and for that it is completely flawless. I can't comment on other types of multi-touch since I've never tried them. It's entirely possible that the problems that have been reported could be solved by a driver or software patch.

The worst thing about this phone is trying to use it outdoors in direct sunlight. It is very difficult. Setting the screen to maximum brightness helps a little bit. The only thing this has made a bit troublesome is taking pictures outside in the bright sunlight since you won't be able to see what the pictures you took look like until later. That said, this hasn't bothered me very much. The phone is readable in the shadow of a building. The phone is readable inside a car that is in direct sunlight. I've never had a situation where I couldn't find a place where I could look at the phone perfectly fine within a couple seconds of walking. This is definitely the biggest flaw with the phone though. It's the price you pay for the beautiful AMOLED screen. I live in Florida.

The default keyboard is pretty average. It's not really possible to type fast and accurately on it if you have the phone in the vertical position. The horizontal keyboard works a lot better, I've become quite proficient at typing on it. There are other keyboards you can install but I have not tried any of them.

The phone is extremely fast. Applications load and run extremely smoothly. The phone doesn't flinch when you run several applications at the same time. It all works seamlessly. Turn off live wallpapers for even more speed.

The screen is really good. It is incredibly clear and the colors are great. You will definitely notice just how nice the screen looks when you use it for the first time. Not that it matters much, but the viewing angles are great too, much better than a typical LCD. I installed a PDF Reader(RepliGo Reader) and read books with it. Haven't had any eye strain or anything.

Web browser works very well. The phone renders pages really quickly and it all feels natural. On most web pages that are not mobile, double tapping the screen will make all the text on the page conform to your screen so all you have to do is scroll vertically to read the entire page. This doesn't work on all sites but it does on most. For the ones that it doesn't, you can just use pinch zooming to obtain your preferred zoom level.

There are a lot of applications on the marketplace and more to come in the future. When Flash comes out, there will be countless flash games to try. Also Hulu media streaming. I'm personally really excited about that.

The phone's camera takes very decent quality pictures and the flash works great for taking nice pictures in low lighting situations.

The phone has a very nice feel to it. I love just holding the thing.

The box the phone comes in is very nice looking.

The trackball isn't needed, but I've found some uses for it. Sometimes I use it to scroll web pages when I am reading instead of touching the screen. Sometimes I push the trackball button to take a picture instead of hitting the button on the screen for taking a picture.

Android OS is extremely nice. Very customizable. I like pretty much everything about it. Everything really comes together extremely nicely if you make extensive use of Google services. I use Gmail and Google Calendar primarily. Something incredibly awesome is that I can edit contacts in Gmail and they show up on my phone. This is cool for two reasons: 1. It's a lot faster to enter lots of contact info with a PC. 2. No matter what happens to the phone, you can never lose your contacts.

The Nexus One feels more like a hand held computer than it does a phone. This is a good thing.

The GPS in this phone is the best GPS I have ever used. First of all, the framerate and how often it updates is amazing. It blows away my Garmin. It shows you cruising the streets very smoothly. When you set a destination, it gives you lots of information right off the bat. You get a phone number for the place, and you can see what the building looks like. The voice navigation actually speaks the name of the road so there is no confusion on where to turn if there are a ton of streets nearby.(Since many GPS systems just say "turn left now") When you arrive at your destination, it automatically shows you a street view picture of the building you are looking for hands free. The search is really awesome too. You can type something like "McDonalds" and then bam a bunch of little arrows appear on the map showing you where every one nearby is. It is very cool.

The default music player is very basic but it works. You're free to install another one if need be.

For the most part, reception has been good for me. I'm not sure if the problems people are having are problems with the phone, problems with T-Mobile coverage itself, or a little bit of both. I've seen accounts from people that said the problems randomly went away one day, making me think it was just something T-Mobile fixed on a nearby cell tower.

The phone's security technique where you draw a symbol to access the phone isn't super secure unless you do a very complex one. If you hold the phone to the light just right you can see a fingerprint showing you the exact symbol.

The phone feels comfortable when making calls. This was something I was really worried about before I got the phone since it's just a rectangle, but after making lots of calls, I've been pleasantly surprised. Feels completely natural to me. I've tested the background noise canceling with a friend and it appears to work very well. Sitting at my computer with music playing, my friend couldn't hear it unless I made it extremely loud.

The phone's speaker is very decent. It's perfect for looking up a youtube video and showing it to friends and having it be loud enough for the whole group to hear without issue. I've also used the speakerphone function and it works very nicely.

I've never rooted the device, so I can't tell you much about that. Most people that do seem very happy with it though.

Wifi works extremely well and seamlessly. All of my internet using applications seamlessly switch between using wifi and 3G depending on if I am in range of my wifi. It's very easy to set it up with an encrypted network.

Transferring data to the phone is extremely easy as well. All you do is hit the USB connected notification on your phone and hit mount. The phone will then show up as a storage device on your computer. Then just put stuff on it however you want. Once you are done, make sure to unmount your phone because applications won't be able to use the SD card when the phone is in the mode for receiving files from the PC.

Battery life is pretty reasonable. When the phone is in sleep mode it uses virtually nothing. When browsing or playing an intense game, it drains battery fast. I've never had my battery run out on me yet and I've been away from home for up to 12 hours with it before. I just hook the phone up to the USB cable every time I get home. To get more battery life, you can turn off features like wifi, gps, autosync, live wallpapers, and adjust screen brightness. I've never disabled any of these except live wallpaper, but the option exists if I really need to push the battery time.

I've never needed to contact Google for support so I don't have any first hand experience. I have browsed the Google help forums though. Sometimes Google employees reply, sometimes they don't. That's what I see.

I think I've gone over just about everything I can think of and tried to be as unbiased as possible(I am hugely in favor of this phone). This phone is a really nice handheld computer that can make phone calls. That's what you should be expecting from it. I paid $570~ for this after taxes and very quickly decided it was worth every penny.

Edit: Forgot to mention that the speech to text feature is really awesome. It's far more accurate than any speech to text program I have ever used before. It knows the names of products and terms that aren't in the English language, so if you say something like youtube, iphone, xbox, and such, it understands it perfectly. I have one of my friends in my contacts listed by his nickname, which isn't a real word at all. I can still say it into speech to text search and it will pull his name up without issue.
 
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Pliablemoose

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Mines going back, getting an RMA now...

I got them to agree to waive the restocking fee too, I offered to do a BBB complaint and work with my State Attny Gens office if they didn't take it off...

I could tolerate the mediocre RF sensitivity, the outdated and defective digitizer I cannot, some people are on their 6th replacement over the digitizer issue, it seems to be a combination of poor QC and an outdated digitizer, I did multiple hard resets again yesterday and went over the thread on Google's support forums, there seems to be a significant problem there...

I'm going back to my G1 for now, if someone successfully ports Android to the HD2, I will get one, or perhaps go with a Sprint Supersonic, I am out of contract and have been for some time on my TMobile service...

For the record, this is the first phone I have ever returned in over a decade of using cell phones...
 
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vshah

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i pretty much agree with everything dguy said. let me add:

- i haven't experienced any signal issues. sure, in the basement of a large building i will drop down to edge. same thing would happen with my g1 and happens with my co-worker's iPhone.
-mine is rooted, running cyanogenMod. i use it for wifi tethering all the time.
- i use a remote desktop app, and it works great on the higher res screen. was a pain with my G1
- regarding the multitouch issue, it doesn't rear its head in everyday usage. the only situations i can think of where it could actually be a problem are if you're doing a lot of drawing and for some reason have to be drawing 2 lines at once.
- the four buttons at the bottom take a little getting used to, but if you use the phone for more than a few minutes you'll realize how you have to tap them to get it to register (hint, use the face of your finger rather than the very tip). its only mildly annoying at first, and then you don't even realize it. maybe moose's problems were caused by a hardware defect?
- single touch accuracy has been excellent for me. i can touch-type on the portrait keyboard now. if you can train yourself to do this, you can be pretty quick on any on-screen keyboard.
- navigation is awesome, i use it over my car's built in nav now.
-stock browser is really fast. faster on 3g than my g1 is on wifi.
- apps load fast, and switch fast. i've never had a lag returning to an app or to the home screen.
- voice input is AWESOME. even walking down a busy new york street. if i'm not in a place where i have to be quiet, i always use voice input for texting and short emails. it seriously is awesome.
-whereas my g1 would often run out of battery life with a day of heavy use, my nexus can sometimes make it through 2 days. i browse the web for about 2 hours a day, and use the phone for a couple hours as well.
- i have color alerts set on the led trackball (this is an addon to cyanogen mod). i can tell without unlocking my phone that i have a voicemail, an email, a google chat message, and a text message waiting based on the colors that blink
- i put a matte screen protector on mine. it helps with the direct sunlight viewing, but dulls the screen a little bit.
- i use picasa, and all my picasa albums are automatically available in the gallery app. it is sweet to be able to access all your pictures to show people without having to store them on the device itself.
- i paid full price like dguy, an it was worth it. i can't use my g1 for even a minute now, it is so slow in comparison.

any other questions just ask!
 
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BigSmooth

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I think dguy and vshah have covered it. My wife and I each have N1s. The phone is outstanding for all the reasons they mentioned. The form factor is great. There is no lag. The screen is awesome (no sunlight here in Oregon ;)). Google services are integrated seamlessly; the turn-by-turn nav is excellent and always totally up-to-date since it comes from the cloud. The voice recognition and gesture search features are very useful. There are tons of great apps for both fun and productivity (I use Gmote to control my HTPC which I just find ubercool). Voice quality is excellent. Battery life is surprisingly good.
We have had zero problems with the touchscreen or the reception in normal use. We've been with T-Mo for a long time and they have good coverage in the Portland metro area.
My wife is not a techie at all but I think Android is actually easy to learn; she's been able to set up her phone the way she likes it and download and use many apps without any problems.

All in all I am VERY glad I chose to get the N1 instead of settling for something slower. It's truly met or exceeded all of my expectations. I know that as Android and Google apps mature, the N1 will always be able to run the latest and greatest versions since it's Google's baby (at least until the N2 comes along...)
 

CurseTheSky

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So from what I gather, it's a good phone with a few unfortunate flaws which would probably be more acceptable on a cheaper, non-"super" phone.

The RF problems being mentioned - by that, you mean signal quality correct? Is that effecting 3G browsing, all carrier related connectivity (calls being dropped or too few bars to make a call, etc.), or Wifi? I can live without constant 3G access, but if it's affecting the ability to make and hold on to calls, I'd want to stay away.

Also, what's a digitizer? I haven't done a ton of research into phones, and that term is foreign to me. What exactly does the problem effect, and how bad is it?

Thanks for the input guys. I'm a bit worried about the reported problems, but the overall optimism from a number of owners has made me feel better about the potential purchase. :)
 

vshah

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3g issues: some users have reported that holding the phone in a certain way has caused them to drop from a 3g signal to an edge signal. i think pliablemoose experienced this, but I never have. as long as you're on 3g, even with one bar, the browsing is quick. here's a speed test i ran on 3g:
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if you drop down to edge for any reason, be it the way you're holding your phone or poor signal in the area you're in, it will be much slower, but still fine for checking email or even websites if you're not in a terrible hurry. whatever the issue may be, it doesn't affect wi-fi at all, or the ability to make phone calls - you'll still be able to make phone calls on edge. some people say 3g calls are higher quality, but i can't tell the difference personally.

also, there is a trick to force the phone to stay on 3g, even if it might get more bars on an edge connection.


digitizer:
this is the clear layer above the screen that actually senses your touch and processes the input. the problem lies when you have two fingers that are moving around the screen, and the axis of the points cross each other. in this case, the nexus one doesn't know which point is which after they have crossed, which sometimes leads to the points getting mixed up. in day to day use, the only application i've seen where this would actually cause an issue is if you are in a drawing app, and trying to draw something using 2 fingers where the points must cross, a pretty rare scenario if you ask me. other than that, multitouch pinch to zoom etc. works great. however, this is a hardware issue and it is doubtful that it will be resolved by a software patch.

some people have also had problems with touches registering somewhere other than where they are touching the screen. i've never experienced this either. i've always found the touchscreen to be extremely responsive and accurate.
 

Pliablemoose

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A pictures worth a thousand words...

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nexus+one+problems&search_type=&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNFMgbjmE9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DmVV_B-SE8

I have to tell you though, with a hard reset, it worked fine for a while, and it was the fastest phone Ive ever used, its amazing...

But for me, a $600 phone (tax in California) its not worth the hassle, as I posted, theres people on the Google support forums claiming to have had 6 phones in a row with the digitizer issues.

I may well pick up a refurbished one or a used on on eBay, but I wont pay the full retail price for it. With Googles draconian ETFs and return policies, in about 6 months, there will be a crapload of them on eBay...
 

zoiks

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I pretty much agree with dguy and vshah above. I'd like to add that the android app store is becoming pretty damn awesome with more and more apps being added to it everyday. Currently it has around 30k apps.
All phones have quirks and problems. Google support hasn't been the best but they are aware of the issues and do issue fixes now and then.
I love my N1. And I used to hate cellphones.
 

vshah

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actually, if you don't mind buying used it might not be a bad idea. at least if the seller is reputable or if you can inspect the phone you can be sure to get one that doesn't have any issues.

edit: oops, forgot you're buying for verizon. i imagine used prices will be pretty high for a while still. they've just started dropping on the tmo versions.
 

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Don't get it unless you are willing to spend another $100-$200 on apps which you will need in order to "FIX" android.
1. No saving attachments (except for some exceptions, e.g. pics)
2. No downloading files from the internet (except for some exceptions, e.g. pics)
3. No COPY & PASTE in email (how anybody can be so retarded to omit this after the iphone fiasco, I don't know)
4. No proper exchange support (No calendar sync, buggy contacts sync, email is ok for me so far though there are reports of it stopping syncing and requiring a factory reset to get it working again)
5. So-so touchscreen (really is only an issue for games though)
6. In order to really use android, you need to root the phone which voids the warranty (compare that to the iphone where you can always "put it back in jail" and get your warranty status back)
7. Serious difference in apps (and dev support) between the iphone and android (and even fewer apps for the N1) - on a related note, I would also deem the "hacking scene" for the iphone to be MUCH, MUCH bigger vs. android in general; despite the 'locked approach' to the iphone!!!!!
8. Reception issues (this phone definitely has worse reception than the iphone or my 3 year old HTC Tytn2)
9. Bad speaker/sound quality ... really, Google? In 2010 you bring out a phone that sounds worse than my first cellphone some 15 years ago????
10. No integration of office (ok, I understand that they don't include MS Office ... but at least google's office apps should be integrated, so that it's possible to open, edit, save at least basic office files (word, excel)

=> DON'T BUY IT!!!! (Or spend big bucks buying apps to fix [some] of the above issues ... though most of these 'bug fixes' are not much better than the total lack of the functionality)
 
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dguy6789

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Copy and paste works fine for me with Gmail. I suppose Exchange support might be useful if I used Exchange. Touch screen has never missed a beat. What do you mean by really use android? The stock installed Android OS is the most capable stock phone OS there is. It is perfectly fine as is. Your complaint about apps doesn't make any sense at all. No reception issues here. Speaker quality is fine here too.

Do you even have a Nexus One?
 

coolVariable

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Copy and paste works fine for me with Gmail. I suppose Exchange support might be useful if I used Exchange. Touch screen has never missed a beat. What do you mean by really use android? The stock installed Android OS is the most capable stock phone OS there is. It is perfectly fine as is. Your complaint about apps doesn't make any sense at all. No reception issues here. Speaker quality is fine here too.

Do you even have a Nexus One?

Yes. I have a Nexus One, that is ... until I slam it into a brick wall which can't be far off.

Received an email ... so I press menu - no copy&paste for the text in the email. Ok, I think, maybe it's like WinMo where you have to 'edit' the email in order to get copy&paste, so reply/forward, menu - no copy&paste. I also tried press and hold - no copy&paste, .... I would sure love to know how you copy and paste.

Exchange is only the #1 email server used worldwide for business/professional users ...

Try playing a game with the touch screen and you will notice the problem (e.g. gameboid)

Stock android is such a pile of stinking crap that can't even get some BASIC SMARTPHONE functionality right!
If you honestly don't think these issues are a BIG PROBLEM (and for the android argument, I will even limit it to the software problems, i.e. #1,#2,#3,#4 and #10, since the others are N1 specific) then ... I personally don't think you should be giving others advice about this phone.
 

dguy6789

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Copy and paste is accomplished via long press. I have yet to find a text field where it doesn't work.

I don't use exchange, it's a non issue for me.

I've played a bunch of games with the touch screen, most work fine. Are you certain that a problem you are having with a specific game is the Nexus One's fault and not the fault of the game developer? Last I heard, Gameboid doesn't support multi touch.

I don't see any glaring issues with Android OS itself, certainly none that could cause someone to get so worked up.
 

zoiks

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I use exchange on the n1 and it's been flawless for me since day one. Never had an issue with it.
Apps are simply awesome. So many useful free apps in the market. Cut and paste works perfectly by pressing down.
I'll give coolvariable 200 for the phone if he doesn't like it.
 

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OP - wait for the htc incredible. its supposed to be a tweaked version of the nexus one, but with sense ui :)
 

coolVariable

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I use exchange on the n1 and it's been flawless for me since day one. Never had an issue with it.

Aside from the totally missing CALENDAR SYNC??????
Or the buggy contacts sync which messes up close to all photos associated with contacts?


Copy and paste is accomplished via long press. I have yet to find a text field where it doesn't work.

YES and IT DOES NOT WORK!!!!
Just tried it again because I wanted to copy and paste the key for my wifi!
Emailed the to the phone => No FVCKING copy and paste to get it from the email app to the wifi textbox!!!!

Do YOU even have an android device???????
Just keep digging that hole showing you don't know what you are talking about ...
 
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Spoooon

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Breath dude, it's okay.

What do you mean by calendar sync? Granted, exchange support is pretty basic, but my calendar stays up to date (Droid).

As far as copying emails, no, you can't select text from the body of an email to copy and paste. This is something that I imagine can be fixed via software update.
 

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coolvariable has spammed both XDA and Howardforums with his issues. Yeah it doesn't have a few things it should, at the pace google is updating the OS, you can almost guarantee lots of things will eventually be added (calendar, copy/paste).

Sure there are issues, but over it's a good phone.
 

zoiks

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Aside from the totally missing CALENDAR SYNC??????
Or the buggy contacts sync which messes up close to all photos associated with contacts?




YES and IT DOES NOT WORK!!!!
Just tried it again because I wanted to copy and paste the key for my wifi!
Emailed the to the phone => No FVCKING copy and paste to get it from the email app to the wifi textbox!!!!

Do YOU even have an android device???????
Just keep digging that hole showing you don't know what you are talking about ...

Like I said, if you don't like your phone, I'll take it off your hands for 2 bills. Seems like you hate it anyway.
 

coolVariable

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Breath dude, it's okay.

What do you mean by calendar sync? Granted, exchange support is pretty basic, but my calendar stays up to date (Droid).

As far as copying emails, no, you can't select text from the body of an email to copy and paste. This is something that I imagine can be fixed via software update.

Nexus One does not have calendar sync and the contact sync is buggy as hell.
Droid has an app from Moto that allows syncing with exchange (though I heard there are issues with it as well)
 

coolVariable

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coolvariable has spammed both XDA and Howardforums with his issues. Yeah it doesn't have a few things it should, at the pace google is updating the OS, you can almost guarantee lots of things will eventually be added (calendar, copy/paste).

Sure there are issues, but over it's a good phone.

Nice. so if someone has a problem with your idol-phone, you call it spamming???

At the pace google is updating the OS?? You are joking, aren't you? It took Apple 1 year to fix copy and paste ... Android is out for 1 1/2 years? AND they had the benefit of copying from Apple? Their dev team must be really dumb and slow at the pace they are going.

A good phone would not have these issues ... which other phones fixed/figured out 5+ years ago.

(The fanboys for this phone are WORSE than the Apple fanboys!)