any news on when Canon will announce their next set of FF cameras?

[Aharami]

I was thinking of jumping on a new 6D, but I'd hate to get a new camera only to have Canon announce its successor a month later. Does anyone know when the 6D mkII will come out?

I'm also considering jumping ship on to Nikon and getting the D750. That camera seems like the perfect package. How is Nikon's lens lineup compared to Canon's? Im mainly concerned with primes - 35mm, 50mm, 85mm, and 135mm

 

[jlarsson]

I think you'll see the next 5D before we see a 6D refresh (5D Mark III is slightly older than the 6D). I know there were a lot of people hoping for a 5D model announcement at Photokina this year, but the new 7D was all that was announced.

 

[Imp]

I haven't seen a single sale on the 6D lately. The 70D has been on sale ($50 off) for the past month-ish though.

Considering that they don't want the 6D to cut into 5D Mk III sales (one costs about double the other), I don't see a 6D coming out before a new 5D.

 

[iGas]

Canon xD body series incremental update so far is 2.5 to 5 years, hence it is not likely that we see a 6D upgrade till at the earliest is late spring of 2015, because the 6D was released in November of 2012.

IMHO, it is more important to know your tools well over that of new toys, therefore I wouldn't wait for a new body to arrive.

A used 5D is a perfect camera for portraits, general photography, and can double as a landscape camera. And, put the saving into some good glass that will serve you well for many years to come. A used 6D or 5D mkii is another option.

Nikon do not have a modern 50mm f/1.2 or 85mm f/1.2, Canon 35mm is slightly sharper than Nikon counter part, and Canon 135mm f/2 is sharper than Nikon.

Canon EF 135mm f/2 L USM Lens Image Quality

 

[blastingcap]

I wouldn't get a 5D simply due to lack of video and crappy autofocus point spread but that's just me.

 

[Aharami]

Thanks for the input. Ruled out the Nikon based on price. Hopefully Canon steps up their game with the next set of FF sensors and brings it up to par with Nikon and Sony, especially in terms of Dynamic Range. Not interested in the 5D. I have used it before. Find it to be too slow and useless in low light. IMO, my 60D is better in low light than the 5D. I understand the merits of investing in good glass, and I completely agree, but you can't discount the benefits of newer technology.

Meanwhile, Canon has a $200 rebate on the 6D. And looks like B&H is throwing in $140 worth of free stuff with it...that can't hurt. I think I'll jump on that for now. If the mkII isnt gonna be announced till Q2 2015, then the price won't drop till Q4 2015. That gives me a good year with the current 6D. Will use the 60D as the 2nd camera for shoots now, and when the mkII comes out, will move to a 6D/6DmkII setup.

It just really bugs me that Canon gimped the AF on the 6D. The 5D mkIII has 41 cross point...the 6D only has 1? C'mon!

and iGas...yea I have rented the Canon 135 f/2 a few times. Love that lens.

 

[finbarqs]

6D is superior to the 5D Mark 2 though in that regard, but inferior in build quality. Nikon Bodies will be better in the same line, with their weather resistance. I'd go with the Nikon D750 because it's probably the best camera you can buy for a FF camera. When you're purchasing primes, I find Nikon can match canon. Hell, Sigma 35 is sharper than Canon's 35L, so is the sigma 50 being superior to canon 50L. But as far as bodies go, Nikon. The D750 is their pro-sumer line, being better than the Canon 6D. If anything it's the Nikon D610 that should be compared to the 6D.

 

[nk215]

The biggest advantage that Canon has over everyone else is the ability to use magic lantern. Dual ISO for still + Raw video for video = serious tool/toy.

If you can wait, wait for the 5Dmk4 which should be announced 1sqrt 2015. By then, the mk3 prob hits the $2K mark. I am holding out for the mk4 myself to replace my mk2.

My camera set up are as follow:

For fun: R-D1s (with M lenses)
point and shoot: RX1
video/DLSR: 5Dmk2

I also use Nikon. I like their unique capability to use DX lens on FF camera. I bought Nikon when their flash was significantly better than Canon ETTL. I don't use flash much anymore so I didn't keep up with the current flash technology.

 

[Imp]

Canon xD body series incremental update so far is 2.5 to 5 years, hence it is not likely that we see a 6D upgrade till at the earliest is late spring of 2015, because the 6D was released in November of 2012.

November 2012? Had to look that up, you're right. I've been thinking for months that it was released in late 2011.

Would have splurged on a 6D if it didn't have a polycarbonate-fiberglass top plate. Went for a Sony A7 instead. Happy so far.

 

[finbarqs]

yeah. The only problem with sony A7x series are their lens selections... I'm really REALLY tempted to get one, but that would make all my canon glass pointless. I mean, it really is everything I wanted in a camera... I have yet to tested it out, but EVF usually is really slow especially at night... (looking at my sigma DP1M and my X100). Been really thinking about the Sony A7S...

Lightweight, plus flash compatibility with both canon and nikon... Plus a plethora of features that I can only wish Canon implements!!! Especially the 'eye-catching' AF which will nail focus at super shallow DOF shots! It's impossible with my MK2

 

[Imp]

You could technically get a third-party Canon mount adapter. The A7 series is apparently really popular for that reason alone. No idea how well they work. There are at least a few people on Google who have tested some adapters out. See this guy's write-up:

http://briansmith.com/sony-a7-a7r-lens-mount-adapters/

Personally, I have no old lenses, and I only plan on getting a prime or two, so it's no biggy. And I'm so used to point and shoots, such a noob, that I just use the LCD for everything -- it has an EVF anyways.

 

[finbarqs]

yeah, but the AF really limits the speed of my original canon AF (which is crucial in weddings)

 

[iGas]

nail focus at super shallow DOF shots! It's impossible with my MK2

When I first got the 5D MKII I had a bit of trouble nailing focus with the standard Eg-A focus creen, however accuracy improved to almost perfect after I replaced it with an Eg-S screen (give up a bit of light to the prism, but greatly improved even with my poor eyes sight). And, I use single center focus point almost exclusively. And like nk215, I'm waiting for the 5D mk4 to see if it is worth while to upgrade.

 

[Aharami]

November 2012? Had to look that up, you're right. I've been thinking for months that it was released in late 2011.

Would have splurged on a 6D if it didn't have a polycarbonate-fiberglass top plate. Went for a Sony A7 instead. Happy so far.

ok explain to me the merits of a magnesium shell? Just better feel and durability?

ended up getting the 6D for now. My first FF camera. Very excited!

 

[Aharami]

You could technically get a third-party Canon mount adapter. The A7 series is apparently really popular for that reason alone. No idea how well they work. There are at least a few people on Google who have tested some adapters out. See this guy's write-up:

http://briansmith.com/sony-a7-a7r-lens-mount-adapters/

Personally, I have no old lenses, and I only plan on getting a prime or two, so it's no biggy. And I'm so used to point and shoots, such a noob, that I just use the LCD for everything -- it has an EVF anyways.

hmmm. need to go play with the a7

edit: watch the item demo video. Seems like there are AF issues when using this adapter
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1054790-REG/metabones_mb_ef_e_bm4_canon_ef_lens_to.html

 

[Imp]

ok explain to me the merits of a magnesium shell? Just better feel and durability?

ended up getting the 6D for now. My first FF camera. Very excited!

Magnesium is prettier? No idea. Honestly, I'd be happy with plain boring polycarbonate.

The only reason I don't want the fiberglass or "conductive fiber" resin is because I don't want fiber/carbon-fiber in my hands for long periods of time, rubbing around on a daily basis.

It's more than likely safe to use as long as I don't sand or cut it, but I'm paranoid and I found an alternative that bugs me less. It's a real shame because I could have saved 2/3 the cost with the SL1 I originally got. And I really like the 6D. Think I read somewhere that the top of the 6D had to be fiberglass to allow the GPS or Wifi signals through.

 

[finbarqs]

When I first got the 5D MKII I had a bit of trouble nailing focus with the standard Eg-A focus creen, however accuracy improved to almost perfect after I replaced it with an Eg-S screen (give up a bit of light to the prism, but greatly improved even with my poor eyes sight). And, I use single center focus point almost exclusively. And like nk215, I'm waiting for the 5D mk4 to see if it is worth while to upgrade.

using center focus almost forces you to do the "focus-recompose" method which will no doubt miss your focus by recomposing when shooting wide open... I use the "nearest" focal point on my MK2 to help it assist in hitting the focus, but that is a hit and miss... about less than 50% of the time. In weddings, I shoot almost 4-5 of the same shots hoping that one will come out in focus. Sure, in camera it looks great, but download it, and boom. OOF.

Regardless, I've yet been able to hit my focus > 90% of the time (acquiring perfect focus) which kind of pisses me off... my 5D Mark 2 hits focus I'd say about 30% of the time, and when I use to be nikon, it went up to about 70% of the time.

 

[Aharami]

focus reliability on my 60D bothers me a lot as well. I was hoping the 6D would be better in that regard. But looks like it has the same AF as the 5DII

 

[iGas]

using center focus almost forces you to do the "focus-recompose" method which will no doubt miss your focus by recomposing when shooting wide open... I use the "nearest" focal point on my MK2 to help it assist in hitting the focus, but that is a hit and miss... about less than 50% of the time. In weddings, I shoot almost 4-5 of the same shots hoping that one will come out in focus. Sure, in camera it looks great, but download it, and boom. OOF.

Regardless, I've yet been able to hit my focus > 90% of the time (acquiring perfect focus) which kind of pisses me off... my 5D Mark 2 hits focus I'd say about 30% of the time, and when I use to be nikon, it went up to about 70% of the time.

I have to agree that the 5D mkII focus system is a far cry from being perfect, but I have learn to live within it limitations, while waiting for lens (Sigma & Tamron), sensor (Sony/Nikon, Samsung), body (mirror less), and AF race to heat up so that there are more choices and more features for perhaps less cash.

 

[bigrash]

I'm using the 7D, and I too am waiting for the next Canon FF camera. Guess I'll wait for the 5Dmk4.

 

[Imp]

Think both the 6D and 5D mk iii came out in 2012.

The 7D came out September 2009? Five years for 7D mk ii. Woho, it's going to be a while.

 

[finbarqs]

5d mark 2 came out in 2007-2008 i believe. So that's a 4 year cycle. 5D 4 will arrive probably closer to 2016-2017. But by then, mirrorless will be a huge player in the field.

 

[iGas]

Canon 5D mk2 was released at the end of 2008, and Canon the 6D mk2 going to move up market, therefore it is likely that the 5D mk4 will cost more than the 5D mk3 released price of $3500.

I was waiting for the 5D mk4 to come out to see if it worth it for me to upgrade after it drop below $2000, but by the look of things I may have to hang on to my 5D mk2 for a bit longer.