Any modern processor that doesn't dump out heat?

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
EVERY CPU dumps heat out of it. thats just how it goes. how much is the cpu actually heating YOU up? is it making u sweat or something? if so, then open a window, it'll make you more comfy AND be better to cool down ur pc. win-win.

i have an overclocked Q6600 and i dont feel my room any warmer with my pc on/off

I nominate this as the most useless post of the month.

Is this really necessary?

Telling someone to open a window? Come on. How is THAT helpful to the OP. It isn't.

It might not be helpful to the OP, that is for them to decide (not you), but labeling any fellow posters attempt to be helpful as being "useless" just comes across as a tad snarky, and being snarky is definitely not being helpful to anyone.

Personally I see logic in Louis's post. If the outside temp is less than indoors, then crack a window and take advantage of some natural (and cheap) air-conditioning. If the outside temp is higher than the inside temp then his house was heating up anyways as heat is slowly seeping into his house's ambient.

The only way this would not be a problem is if he is using some form of active air-condition, like an electric AC, in which case it would seem like he needs better circulation so as to avoid localized hotspots as his computer is creating. Hence the discussions regarding more fans, better placement of fans, etc.

I see this as helpful at best, pointless at worst. But that is up to the OP to decide. None of it is useless, IMO, at worst it simply isn't applicable to the OP's situation. It's not for us to decide until we have further feedback.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
EVERY CPU dumps heat out of it. thats just how it goes. how much is the cpu actually heating YOU up? is it making u sweat or something? if so, then open a window, it'll make you more comfy AND be better to cool down ur pc. win-win.

i have an overclocked Q6600 and i dont feel my room any warmer with my pc on/off

I nominate this as the most useless post of the month.

Is this really necessary?

Telling someone to open a window? Come on. How is THAT helpful to the OP. It isn't.

It might not be helpful to the OP, that is for them to decide (not you), but labeling any fellow posters attempt to be helpful as being "useless" just comes across as a tad snarky, and being snarky is definitely not being helpful to anyone.

Personally I see logic in Louis's post. If the outside temp is less than indoors, then crack a window and take advantage of some natural (and cheap) air-conditioning. If the outside temp is higher than the inside temp then his house was heating up anyways as heat is slowly seeping into his house's ambient.

The only way this would not be a problem is if he is using some form of active air-condition, like an electric AC, in which case it would seem like he needs better circulation so as to avoid localized hotspots as his computer is creating. Hence the discussions regarding more fans, better placement of fans, etc.

I see this as helpful at best, pointless at worst. But that is up to the OP to decide. None of it is useless, IMO, at worst it simply isn't applicable to the OP's situation. It's not for us to decide until we have further feedback.

Let?s be clear about something: PCs in general should be able to operate in the way they were intended by the manufacturer without having to open the window and let the freezing air into the room in which the PC is placed.

Suggesting to someone who is having heat issues with their PC to simply open the window because it will "be better for them and the PC" is just nonsense and not a genuine attempt to help the OP at all.

/case closed.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I dunno about you guys, but i help heat my apt in winter with my pcs.

 

[taltamir]

may i suggest to the op that instead of REPLACING the cpu with anything, you underclock and underVOLT it?
also i don't find the q6600 at stock to be a major heat generator... what other components do you use?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: iFX
Suggesting to someone who is having heat issues with their PC to simply open the window because it will "be better for them and the PC" is just nonsense and not a genuine attempt to help the OP at all.

/case closed.

Well now you are just simply attacking Louis and claiming hit post was disingenuous.

I've never known Louis to make posts that are threadcraps, so if I were asked "is Louis threadcrapping here (less than genuine attempt to help the OP) or is Louis trying to help the OP in a way that probably won't help them (unbeknownst to Louis)" then I would error on the side of caution and assume Louis is genuinely attempting to help the OP (based on his online posting personality).

 

[Kraeoss]

it would seen that the guy who's attacking is thread-crapping and he prolly lives in a HOT area and would not open his window... supposing it's not a desert he's living in....


and i open my window to cool the room, the atmosphere is generally cooler than a closed room with heat generating apparatus only problem there would be that dust can enter the room easier...

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: iFX
Suggesting to someone who is having heat issues with their PC to simply open the window because it will "be better for them and the PC" is just nonsense and not a genuine attempt to help the OP at all.

/case closed.

Well now you are just simply attacking Louis and claiming hit post was disingenuous.

I've never known Louis to make posts that are threadcraps, so if I were asked "is Louis threadcrapping here (less than genuine attempt to help the OP) or is Louis trying to help the OP in a way that probably won't help them (unbeknownst to Louis)" then I would error on the side of caution and assume Louis is genuinely attempting to help the OP (based on his online posting personality).

I guess it didn't get through the first time so let me say it again:

Let?s be clear about something: PCs in general should be able to operate in the way they were intended by the manufacturer without having to open the window and let the freezing air into the room in which the PC is placed.

Suggesting to someone who is having heat issues with their PC to simply open the window because it will "be better for them and the PC" is just nonsense and not a genuine attempt to help the OP at all.

Disagree if you want, from my chair it was just a neffing post.

 

[sindows]

To answer some of the questions, I live in FL so opening the windows is not an optimal solution during the day. My apt is kept at 77F which is something that one of my roommates requested because for whatever reason, he cannot stand it being colder than 77F. Its a little warm for me personally but its not too bad.

I keep my pc on the ground about 1' away from my chair. I cannot undervolt as my motherboard has very basic options. And it seems the best way to go is to get a dual core processor to see if it helps out.

The heat itself isn't something that causes me to get sweaty but its just a noticeable annoyance that didn't occur when I was using an Athlon64 system.

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: sindows
To answer some of the questions, I live in FL so opening the windows is not an optimal solution during the day. My apt is kept at 77F which is something that one of my roommates requested because for whatever reason, he cannot stand it being colder than 77F. Its a little warm for me personally but its not too bad.

I keep my pc on the ground about 1' away from my chair. I cannot undervolt as my motherboard has very basic options. And it seems the best way to go is to get a dual core processor to see if it helps out.

The heat itself isn't something that causes me to get sweaty but its just a noticeable annoyance that didn't occur when I was using an Athlon64 system.

I don't know man, I would never ever change a quad core for a dual core. It's just blasphemy. If the heat doesn't bother you that much, let it be.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: sindows

If I were to replace the Q6600 with a E5200, would I solve my heat issues or are pcs just getting too powerful these days?

e5200s use almost nothing.

I put one in my wife's machine and run it undervolted at 1.0v (stock speed). That should be using about 25% of the power than your q6600 uses (which would directly translate to 25% of the CPU heat.

Quite a lot different than my machine, which is an overclocked and overvolted e7200.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: iFX
Suggesting to someone who is having heat issues with their PC to simply open the window because it will "be better for them and the PC" is just nonsense and not a genuine attempt to help the OP at all.

/case closed.

Well now you are just simply attacking Louis and claiming hit post was disingenuous.

I've never known Louis to make posts that are threadcraps, so if I were asked "is Louis threadcrapping here (less than genuine attempt to help the OP) or is Louis trying to help the OP in a way that probably won't help them (unbeknownst to Louis)" then I would error on the side of caution and assume Louis is genuinely attempting to help the OP (based on his online posting personality).

I guess it didn't get through the first time so let me say it again:

Let?s be clear about something: PCs in general should be able to operate in the way they were intended by the manufacturer without having to open the window and let the freezing air into the room in which the PC is placed.

Suggesting to someone who is having heat issues with their PC to simply open the window because it will "be better for them and the PC" is just nonsense and not a genuine attempt to help the OP at all.

Disagree if you want, from my chair it was just a neffing post.

Oh you're are coming thru loud and clear ever since your first contribution to this thread, hence the reason you garnered my attention.

So as I understand it, you have intentionally gone out of your way to:

(a) create a post solely for the purpose of stating another poster's post is "the most useless post of the month"

(b) create another post in which you characterize the poster as being disingenuous with their originating post to the OP

(c) create yet another post where you further elaborate, stating the poster's post "is just nonsense", you reiterate your position that the poster was being disingenuous, and extend the claims against the poster to now include neffing.

Do I have the posting record summarized and stated correctly?

 

[daw123]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
I don't think it was purely transistor count, and I doubt that's what you meant anyway. I did say "part of the reason" was because AMD/Intel doesn't make them because they did hit a wall. The other part is because of the multitasking aspect of dual cores and its marketability took off, so they shifted their focus especially in hopes software would follow. However I will argue that literally most people would not, hypothetically, notice the difference between a faster single core of a processor like the E8600 vs. the dual cores of a slower processor, like an Intel E2xxx. A lot of people would benefit, but the average user who watches movies, browses the internet, burns CDs, or plays flash games would not.

If you think about it, dual-core versus single-core in windows is kind of like OCZ vs Apex in SSD.

Single-core is prone to "stutter" in windows, those laggy moments where some applications somewhere in the system decided it gets to hog the cpu for a moment and you (the user) get to sit there with an unresponsive system. 1st gen OCZ SSD (or any other with jmicron, not to pick on specifically OCZ here)

Upgrading to dual-core suddenly eliminates 95-99% of these situation where the system hangs/stutters as it is very rare to have two simultaneous apps causing both cores to lag.

You've now got an Apex SSD with dual-jmicron controllers, reducing the likelihood of stutter.

This is true for quad's as well, its just most people don't have a stutter hit-rate on dualcores that exceeds their personal tolerance threshold and as such they won't really feel like their computing experience has improved when migrating to a quad-core.

As for the OP, it sounds like you want/need an i7. Nehalem shuts entire core's down when they aren't used. This is true even when you are doing something that is using some cpu power, it will keep the unused cores inactive.

Having said that, you do realize that your entire computer is only putting out about as much heat as the combined heat from 3-4 lightbulbs, right? I mean if you are that sensitive to the heat output of 4 lightbulbs then it really would suggest you are experiencing unacceptable heat output from everything else in your house as well, from lightbulbs to the TV to the fridge, etc.

I'm with Louis, I sit next to a B3 stepping QX6700, second only in heat output to a Phenom. I feel nothing when the system is on, nothing when it is off. The rig uses 350W fully loaded, that a little less than have four lightbulbs turned on the room. Sure a lightbulb is hot, never touch one, but they aren't exactly considered a heatsource for winter usage :laugh:

I'm with Idontcare on this one. A 60W incandescent bulb in a room wastes 90% of its output as heat (54W), hence any difference in the thermal output of a CPU should make very little difference to the room temperature. Do you notice a difference between having 1, 2 or 3 60W (incandescent) light bulbs switched on in a room, even if the room has a small floor area and low ceiling height? A CPU generates the heat output equivalent to 2 - 3 light bulbs (say 100-150W if the Q6600 is o/c'd).

Here's the link for the incandescent light bulb efficiency: http://www.usnews.com/articles...-know-it.html?PageNr=2

Christ, my company's M & E Engineers recently specified a 2.9kW gas heater in a kitchen, which had a floor area of approx. 15sq.m (large for a bedrooom, I know) with a ceiling height of 2500mm. This gives you an idea of the heating required to comply with the UK Regulations. I realise that the heat output from the heater has been specified so that the room is heated from X to Y degrees in a certain amount of time, but I think its a relevant side note to this post, since the OP is claiming that his PC (specifically the CPU) is causing noticeable heating of his room.

I can understand having heat problems within the case from having components generating a lot of heat, but this shouldn't cause heat problems in a room.

I had a QX9770 with a HD4870 X2 and I never felt any noticeable heat generation within my room (which isn't particularly large) from my PC.

Maybe the OP is referring to the heat being exhausted through the back (or sides or top). Obviously if you place your hands directly over the exhaust fans then you will feel some heat. If you move say a metre away (as an example) from the case you shouldn't feel anything since the heat has dissipated by this point.

And there are other components in the case, which either individually of combined generate more heat than the CPU (such as the GPU).

 

[zagood]

Originally posted by: daw123
Maybe the OP is referring to the heat being exhausted through the back (or sides or top). Obviously if you place your hands directly over the exhaust fans then you will feel some heat. If you move say a metre away (as an example) from the case you shouldn't feel anything since the heat has dissipated by this point.

answer:

Originally posted by: sindows
I keep my pc on the ground about 1' away from my chair. I cannot undervolt as my motherboard has very basic options.

I'd suggest checking your motherboard to see if you can enable C1E and/or EIST. If that helps, then yes, getting something like a e5200 would help.

Something simple like setting up a house fan blowing perpendicular to the back of your computer so it blows the exhaust away from you would be an easy solution, or moving your machine farther away if that's possible.

-z

 

[taltamir]

speaking of light bulbs... what kind of bulbs are you using? energy efficient ones? that might help..

 

[TidusZ]

Originally posted by: iFX

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: iFX
Suggesting to someone who is having heat issues with their PC to simply open the window because it will "be better for them and the PC" is just nonsense and not a genuine attempt to help the OP at all.

/case closed.

Well now you are just simply attacking Louis and claiming hit post was disingenuous.

I've never known Louis to make posts that are threadcraps, so if I were asked "is Louis threadcrapping here (less than genuine attempt to help the OP) or is Louis trying to help the OP in a way that probably won't help them (unbeknownst to Louis)" then I would error on the side of caution and assume Louis is genuinely attempting to help the OP (based on his online posting personality).

I guess it didn't get through the first time so let me say it again:

Let?s be clear about something: PCs in general should be able to operate in the way they were intended by the manufacturer without having to open the window and let the freezing air into the room in which the PC is placed.

Suggesting to someone who is having heat issues with their PC to simply open the window because it will "be better for them and the PC" is just nonsense and not a genuine attempt to help the OP at all.

Disagree if you want, from my chair it was just a neffing post.

Honestly, the guy is talking about a major downgrade that will cost him money to get rid of the heat. Opening a window or two and getting some crosswinds going could be just the ticket. Heck, I'd do the old opencase + big honking fan pointing away from the chair before doing the downgrade that the OP is thinking about. I'd even do your idea. Oh wait, you didn't have one, and you wasted like four posts on it. I want those minutes of my life back, thanks in advance.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: sindows
If I were to replace the Q6600 with a E5200, would I solve my heat issues or are pcs just getting too powerful these days?

It wouldn't be "solved" but would be "reduced."

Hot Deals thread about a $53 E5200 CPU

If that works out for you, I call dibs on your Q6600 if you're selling it for cheap.

 

[GLeeM]

Sounds like the E5200 might do the trick pretty cheaply. Should save on AC during summer too.

I can relate about the extra heat bothering. When already warm (a room at 77 F!!) any additional close heat source just adds to the prickly feeling. Is the case hot or is it blowing out the exhaust fan? If the whole case is hot you should check that fans are working correctly, blowing in the right directions. Can you position case to blow away from you or reverse the fans?

Louis' post may have been glib (nonchalant), but at least it was on topic (not like my ditty below). I almost didn't post here because I have had much worse posts I'm sure and don't want to be insulted.

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Sure a lightbulb is hot, never touch one, but they aren't exactly considered a heatsource for winter usage :laugh:

Hmmm ... must be a city boy ... light bulbs have been used as heatsource in winter for long time. A couple light bulbs in the chicken coop can make the difference between live and dead chickens!
A trouble light under the hood can make the difference between the car starting in the morning or not.
From an OLD country boy, we's uses what we gots

 

[MarcVenice]

In comparison, I've got a room with an attached piece, that used to be a balcony. It's not heat isolated, so it gets pretty cold in there, even when the other piece of my room is being heated by central heating. My PC does nothing to help things heat up, not even when I'm gaming, and it'll pull 300-400w under load.

Now, I have a little space heater, that can put out 2000W of heat! I most definately notice that. The difference between a q6600 and most any other CPU will be like 50w, unless you really get a low voltage VIA Nano, or Intel Atom cpu. Even then though, the difference is going to be pretty negligible. Also, a q6600's tdp might be 95W, it won't put out that much heat most of the time, 50 or so is more likely. Now if a E5200 puts out 25W, you've gained 25W !!! Not something you'll notice.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: GLeeM

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Sure a lightbulb is hot, never touch one, but they aren't exactly considered a heatsource for winter usage :laugh:

Hmmm ... must be a city boy ... light bulbs have been used as heatsource in winter for long time. A couple light bulbs in the chicken coop can make the difference between live and dead chickens!
A trouble light under the hood can make the difference between the car starting in the morning or not.
From an OLD country boy, we's uses what we gots

Since you bring it up, actually my childhood is about as cut-and-dry farmer as it gets. Yeah we used lightbulbs for heat sources in both the chicken coops and the pig sheds as well as the barn.

Given that we are talking about human comfort levels versus that of chickens, pigs and horses (and even auto's in your example :laugh I wasn't too worried about my statement covering 100% of all applications lightbulbs see the world over...always be exceptions to any rule of thumb.

I would hope the spirit of the message was value-add, even if there can be legitimate technical exceptions drawn against it.

 

[alkalinetaupehat]

Since I'm either gaming or sleeping in my room, it's about 66*F in there. After leaving the PC idling @ the desktop, closed door and heat vent, lights off, 13x13 room, 8ft ceilings, ~130w per KAW, for approx. 1.5 hours, the room is a solid 75*F. Rig in the sig, except when I documented this, the quad was at stock and there was a GTX260 in there. Now it idles around 180w...

OP, a fan is the most realistic option, or doing what I did an moving your rig to a larger room. Noise levels are lower too.

You really need to give us the specs of your rig. Your video card can be a large factor as well as the power supply and motherboard chipset. Friend went from a 650i to a P45, no other hardware changes, and his temps dropped across the board by 4C. The southbridge didn't even have a heatsink!

 

[Denithor]

Q9550S

Or even the Q8200S...

The only problem is going to be finding these chips, which seem to be in low supply and/or high demand.

 

[daw123]

The price premium on the S-series is thereabouts $100 more across the board, than the non 'S' equivalents. As Anandtech states, unless you have a SFF case, is the extra price worth it, for the reduction in heat output?

Instead of spending $370 on a replacement CPU, the $370 could be spent elsewhere by replacing other heat intensive components in the case (such as the GPU).

Just my $0.02

 

[Zap]

No need for the premium CPU. Did anyone read the OP's first and second posts in this thread? He's using the quad core because he got a killer deal on it, however he doesn't use any software that needs or takes advantage of it nor is he overclocking. He's also using integrated video.

I think he'd be money ahead by getting a cheap E5200 and selling the quad core.