Any liberals considering voting for Trump or a Repub hawk if one is the candidate?

[PlanetJosh]

I'm thinking about it in hopes that Trump, Rubio or Bush will make a mess of the world. Just wondered if any other libs have thought of voting for them as the presidential nominee for whatever your reason would be.

By making a mess of the world I hope Trump or the other two get us into a war with Russia leading to WW3. People are so bad and evil generally so why not have WW3 to punish this planet? I'm certainly not the only one who looks foward to WW3 the reasons for which vary from mine. Btw Trump may be hawkish enough to get us into a world wide war. Or I'm betting (hoping) on it considering it looks like he'll be the nominee.

Ok if Trump is forced to run as an Independent then it will guarantee a Hillary win in which case at least I can have some solace by reading all the conservatives' dejection. But I'd rather have him be the Republican candidate for reasons explained above. And Bush and Rubio are fairly decent as hawks so I'd be happy with either of them. But they are so far behind in the polls...

I'm an independent liberal. When Clinton got caught lying to the nation about Lewinski years ago that was it for me. I left the Democrat party and registered as an Independent in California. I didn't swing to the right, I just didn't want that degree of goofiness in the president. And I never voted for president again after I voted for him in '96. I took out my left leanings by continuing voting for Democrat senators here in CA (Feinstein and Boxer.)

There is no Liberal Independent selection on a voter registration form in California. It's just Independent, Republican, Democrat, Peace and Freedom, Libertarian, Green, and American Independent. The Peace and Freedom party is too socialist for me, the Green too liberal, and the American Independent too far to the right. The Democratic party too partisan and silly. The Republicans too partisan and conservative. So I checked Independent.

 

[SP33Demon]

You are calling for WW3? Get a grip.

 

[dank69]

This space for rent.

 

[flexy]

The questions is whether a WW3 will make the stupid people who support stupid politicians smarter? (Asked differently: Would a WW3 make Trump supporters realize how stupid they are?) Here I sadly think: No.
Because in reality, even if a WW3 would certainly "punish the planet" (and you're right, you're not the only one thinking so), they would probably blame "the others" for WW3 before they realize it was their own stupidity which brought it on.

I don't have enough confidence/hope that those stupid people would EVER learn. They'd probably sit on ruins, entire US destroyed and still think Trump is/was the best prez ever and blame anything on China, Russia, the refugees or whoever. You know that!

On the other hand, more "effective" than WW3 would be just give him the presidency because, yes, America will get what they deserve. What remains of the US, economically, ecologically, socially etc. will OF COURSE collapse, I am confident there.
Simply spoken: Those people who are now complaining about having to work 3 jobs to make it over a month...maybe they REALLY need to work 6 instead, until they (maybe, possibly) realize something.

Maybe the people who are now complaining that they're poor need to become even poorer, where a meal alone will become a luxury. Maybe an unemployment level of, say, 20% is not enough, maybe it needs 40%, maybe 50%.
America WILL get what they deserve, so or so...and this is actually a good thing to know since from utter destruction and chaos only better things can arise. (Aka: Destruction is sometimes required to pull up a new building).

 

[BonzaiDuck]

You are calling for WW3? Get a grip.

Yes. "Get a grip." To the Planet-Man, I'm sorry, but if I were to "give you advice," it would be too long to read. Even so -- in summary . . .

Stop looking for a "belief system" that supposedly encapsulates everything true. None of them do. Take for instance, the notion of "class-struggle." James Madison acknowledged the phenomenon in Federalist Paper #10, 70 years before Marx.

Also, you might be inclined to what I call "smorgasbord politics."

The questions remain: "What choices offer hope of common sense?" "What are your personal interests, and how do you define the 'public interest?'"

As for Clinton, he had -- an acknowledged that he had -- a problem. Once the stories about Genifer Flowers and Paula Jones surfaced, the opposition started picking at that scab in hopes of making it bleed. How many other presidents got their knob polished in the Oral Office? And Monica? It almost seemed she had a plan for it at the time she left LA for DC.

When Bush was first elected in 2000, I walked into a convenience store late one evening to find a 20-something year-old woman behind the counter. I casually asked how and why she voted:

"Bush! I was disgusted by that Monica thing!"

Simpletons abound. Hopefully, more so in the primaries than in the general.

As for "WWIII." That's the LAST thing any liberal or conservative would wish for, and the LAST thing any sane citizen-of-the-world would ask for. I'm even a bit peeved at Pope Francis for invoking even the thought of it in addressing the world-wide struggle against jihadism.

We have problems to solve. Long-term problems. First, you can't believe that the world oil-supply will last into the next century. Second, even as it dwindles, we're polluting the atmosphere with carbon. As to the first statement, while certain Cal-Tech physicists put the resource depletion at mere decades, others will also tell you that there's nothing that replaces the energy-content ounce-for-ounce of petroleum. That's a tall order -- a goal of making petroleum obsolete.

The struggle against terrorism is just another drag on human progress, and human progress is sorely in need here to address the long-term.

Look for common sense. Among the GOP talking heads, I so far only see Kasich as having any.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm a centrist Dem and my answer,

No flippin' way. Hoping this country learned its lesson from the last time

 

[Herr Kutz]

I'm a centrist Dem and my answer,

No flippin' way. Hoping this country learned its lesson from the last time

Liar. For proof, all one has to do is click on your name and press "Find More Posts by HomerJS".

 

[feralkid]

 

[Indus]

I'd vote for Obama's dog Bo in the white house over any current Republican running for President. These guys make Bob Dole/ Jack Kemp ticket look like the best Republicans in the last 20 years.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I'm a centrist Dem and my answer,

No flippin' way. Hoping this country learned its lesson from the last time

No question.

I have a sort of theory about public opinion among the electorate.

People think -- somehow -- because there is a democratic election, the majority is always right, and the election outcome is always prudent.

The only certitude we have about democratic government is this: it assures legitimacy to authority over a temporary span. Thus, the old GOP platitude: "If you didn't vote, you have no reason to complain."

If you want a certain and perfect outcome, it requires any number of things:

Perfect information -- available and obtainable by the electorate.

Perfect logic, with an almost mathematical precision among the electorate.

A common vision of the future. There is no such thing "in common."

A common vision would also rise to a consensus of which problems to address have priority, and which ones don't. We don't even agree as to what the problems are!

People vote from the heart, from the balls -- but never exclusively from the mind. It's always a combination of the three. That defines the "personality contest" aspect of campaigns.

 

[Carson Dyle]

I don't think a lot of Republicans would consider voting for a clown like Trump.

Jeezus. What has happened with the Republican party?? Looks like they're dead set on putting another Democrat in the White House for the next eight years. The Dems could nominate Pee Wee Herman and he would defeat Trump.

 

[MongGrel]

The wife and myself were both raised conservative GOP. I even voted for Reagan twice.

Last time I did that I suppose.

Just watching things over the decades devolve on that side of the fence has gotten a bit ridiculous.

Just my two cents.

When Bush was first elected in 2000, I walked into a convenience store late one evening to find a 20-something year-old woman behind the counter. I casually asked how and why she voted:

"Bush! I was disgusted by that Monica thing!"

Simpletons abound. Hopefully, more so in the primaries than in the general.

Good post, but I think that summarizes most of it.

 

[brycejones]

These guys make Bob Dole/ Jack Kemp ticket look like the best Republicans in the last 20 years.

Stop talking about the RINO ticket!

 

[BonzaiDuck]

The wife and myself were both raised conservative GOP. I even voted for Reagan twice.

Last time I did that I suppose.

Just watching things over the decades devolve on that side of the fence has gotten a bit ridiculous.

Just my two cents.



Good post, but I think that summarizes most of it.

Not much different, except that my parents -- a Texas farm-boy "greatest generation" and a small-town Illinois girl were as politically naïve as many in those days. I'd peg us as barely "lower-middle-class." Mom had trouble just getting Dad to vote.

And I followed the GOP briefly after Nixon, partly as a reaction to LBJ and the war. Schooled as an economist, I had this naïve belief in competition and "markets." I somehow didn't consider there are markets for sycophants, liars, burglars and mediocrities. Putting faith in a classic model of economic order should be measured by exactly "which market you're in."

Belief systems and political ideologies are the opiate of lazy minds. Truth and Falsehood abounds in a mix within and among all religions and ideologies.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

no, not a fucking chance. and why the fuck would you want a world war?

 

[Atreus21]

 

[MongGrel]

Had to snicker a bit.

 

[Jeff7]

Trump seems like he'd be a change of pace, so there'd at least be that.

 

[Humpy]

I'm for sure voting for Trump if he's on the ballot.

I still have some sociological questions that were brought up by the movie Trading Places that can only be answered if Louis Winthorpe III trades places with Billy Ray Valentine.

 

[shortylickens]

Im a conservative and theres no way in hell I'll vote for the guy. He's fucking evil and crazy and more than just a little bit power hungry. Also, outside of business he's pretty damn stupid.

 

[WelshBloke]

By making a mess of the world I hope Trump or the other two get us into a war with Russia leading to WW3.

...

I'm an independent liberal.

I'm sorry to break this to you but you're not an independent liberal. You're a fucking idiot.

 

[sandorski]

So because you think Life sucks we should all join you in a Suicide Pact?

Fuck off.

 

[MongGrel]

NM, the one I was referring to did not need a comment.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Im a conservative and theres no way in hell I'll vote for the guy. He's fucking evil and crazy and more than just a little bit power hungry. Also, outside of business he's pretty damn stupid.

Barring the obvious narcissistic personality disorder, megalomania, contrary beliefs such as his "DNA inheritance," and other drivel, I could be struck by one, singular thing without any perception of these other aspects.

He doesn't need to "prepare" for debates. I've seen him stumble into inept celebrity-style colloquialisms during his harangues. There's a certain sloppiness in his use of the language.

This all exhibits a devil-may-care respect for the office he hopes to win. that is, a lack of respect for it. And what does that mean, exactly? It would imply a real, underlying lack of respect for the voters. He's pissed off the Latinos, African-Americans, Muslims . . women.

He and his supporters are going nowhere. If they're going somewhere, civilization may not be doomed, but we're in for a rocky ride on a bad road.

What especially bothers me, though, is a total disregard for the Truth. If it suits his purpose -- it's true. If it doesn't suit his purpose and it's true -- then it's not true.

Ha! I'll bet the only folks he hasn't pissed off are the Islamist extremists! From their point of view, he'll be absolutely guaranteed perfect!

 

[Brian Stirling]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9knToyK-wUs

If the choice was between Trump and Crucifixion I'm afraid it would be Crucifixion!


Brian