Any Good Forecasters Here?

[lxskllr]

My Motorola is three years old. I'm happy with it, and everything works great. However, Trump's proposed tariffs have me concerned. I'd be happy to use this phone for another five years(4 years of dumbass and a year to recover), but that's a lot to ask of a phone that's used daily, and it's waaay past getting updates. So, y'all think the tariffs will amount to anything, or should I grab a phone now while I can? $10± isn't a big deal, but a 60% increase is, especially if I can insure against it for $200(the approximate cost of a new Motorola).

 

[Jimminy]

I'm no forecaster, and I know very little about motorola phones, but I think it will take considerably more than one year to recover from the Orange Felon.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I think there will be a lot of pain from this, but we'll see. In fact, it might even somewhat work in your favor as I could see companies develop more lower tier phones to try to keep people buying, which could increase competition/options. They could cost more, but I'd be surprised if that market goes up that much. They'll probably go with lower tier SoC and maybe reduce from having like 5 cameras to 3 or something. I could also see companies make "US" brands that are cobbled together or rebranded Chinese stuff with Qualcomm chips. Heck, I think that's what Moto tried doing when Google sold them to Lenovo, where they setup assembly facility to try and win favor. It didn't work out, but they tried. I could see that happening again, especially since there's that huge amount of subsidies.

I think the real pain might be that we're almost back to phones only being available via carrier deals unless you're willing to pay full MSRP. I'm more concerned that we'll see increased prices and other via the carriers. And since T-Mobile likely isn't gonna face any real repercussions for their shenanigans, I could see Verizon and AT&T feeling like they can squeeze people more, and then they can push the MVNOs to pay per GB setups.

 

[spdfreak]

Lots of competition out there now, both in carriers and manufacturers. Competition is always good for the market. It will adjust to whatever tariffs are enacted. I may see if there are any good deals on pixels during BF weekend since my pixel 6 is getting a bit old. But, I just got android 15 and the phone still works flawlessly for anything I need to do with it. Google has continued to refine and update the older phones so they don't feel old. I also switched to Visible (Verizon) when they had their 15/mo deal if you came from T-mo. Can't beat that deal. I think the carriers will be forced to offer better deals across the board since the cell phone market in the US is mature and there aren't that many new customers now.

 

[balloonshark]

Lots of competition out there now, both in carriers and manufacturers. Competition is always good for the market. It will adjust to whatever tariffs are enacted. I may see if there are any good deals on pixels during BF weekend since my pixel 6 is getting a bit old. But, I just got android 15 and the phone still works flawlessly for anything I need to do with it. Google has continued to refine and update the older phones so they don't feel old. I also switched to Visible (Verizon) when they had their 15/mo deal if you came from T-mo. Can't beat that deal. I think the carriers will be forced to offer better deals across the board since the cell phone market in the US is mature and there aren't that many new customers now.

Not sure if this is a good deal or not.

https://slickdeals.net/f/17880276-256gb-google-pixel-9-unlocked-various-colors-549-free-shipping?src=frontpage

 

[darkswordsman17]

If T-Mobile works for you, Mint is offering a Pixel 9 for $579, and that price includes 12 months of Unlimited data (only 10GB of hotspot per month though). That's quite a lot more expensive, but since it includes the year of service, and Pixel 9 is supposed to get 7 years of updates, might make it more of a longer term solution for you. Pixel phones have one of the best cameras if that matters, and I believe it still has a SIM card tray as well as eSIM, so you should be able to unlock it and use it on another network later (a lot of companies are offering like a week or 2 free trial of their network and that usually needs eSIM these days). They're slowly adding a desktop mode as well, which might make Hotspotting less of an issue. Also has a reasonable compromise for multi-accounts in that it has a default personal and work bifurcation (its not as good as real multi user but is somewhat nice in that you can lock one down but be able to access both without logging out of either).

 

[lxskllr]

I'm pretty set on getting a motorola. I've had three of their phones now for various purposes, and they've all been great. Fairly vanilla android with some added features I actually use. The only thing that keeps them from being a slam dunk is their terrible update policy. Basically one android version, and two years total of security updates. I'd like to checkout fairphone, but their presence is very limited in the US, and may not even be supported by tmobile.

This topic was started regarding my work phone, which end of the day, isn't my problem, but I don't spend other people's money any differently than I spend my own. I don't want to get two years into this disaster, have my (already unsupported)phone die, then have to pay significantly more to replace it. We aren't talking life changing money here, but it's the principle of the thing.

I also made the thread as a warning to others. This might be something to consider. I don't know if it is, but it's certainly worth considering. If tech was intended on being replaced in the next year, now might be better than later.

edit:
added a crucial word

 

[Ken g6]

I think tariffs might amount to something.

Laptop, smartphone, and game console prices could soar after the election

Most Americans may not realize popular tech hasn’t been hit by China tariffs—yet.

arstechnica.com

That's why I'm putting together a new computer this Black Friday.

Plus, who knows, Motorola (being a division of Lenovo) might get banned in the USA like Huawei.

 

[manly]

A shitty update policy is a non-starter. Would you run your desktop OS without security fixes for years on end? I wouldn't.
Buy a mid-range phone with 5 (or more) years of security updates.

Black Friday deals should launch on the 21st.

@Ken g6 You almost built a new ML rig a year ago?

 

[Ken g6]

@Ken g6 You almost built a new ML rig a year ago?

I only got half done, and I don't think I installed any parts I got except a 4070.

 

[lxskllr]

A shitty update policy is a non-starter. Would you run your desktop OS without security fixes for years on end? I wouldn't.

I keep a low profile, and I'm not an interesting target. Updates are better than no updates, but I'm not particularly worried about it. Exploits tend to come through the web browser, and I keep the browsers on all my systems locked down tight.

As for what I'm gonna do... I think I've decided to take a wait and see approach. My phones work fine, and I don't like treating electronics as disposable. I also don't like getting new devices. They're fun for the first ten minutes, then it just becomes a chore setting things up the way I like, and disabling the garbage that comes with a new phone.

Also, the longer I wait, the cheaper the device as long as things don't go sideways. If things start to look like they're going sideways, I'll pickup a new phone or two.

 

[manly]

I keep a low profile, and I'm not an interesting target. Updates are better than no updates, but I'm not particularly worried about it. Exploits tend to come through the web browser, and I keep the browsers on all my systems locked down tight.

As for what I'm gonna do... I think I've decided to take a wait and see approach. My phones work fine, and I don't like treating electronics as disposable. I also don't like getting new devices. They're fun for the first ten minutes, then it just becomes a chore setting things up the way I like, and disabling the garbage that comes with a new phone.

Also, the longer I wait, the cheaper the device as long as things don't go sideways. If things start to look like they're going sideways, I'll pickup a new phone or two.

I don't mind squeezing an extra year out of a device after support. It's not ideal, but I'm totally with you with using electronics for as long as possible.

Although I also exercise good online hygiene, I just wouldn't want to run an unsupported OS for any longer than a year. Sure we aren't political dissidents in Iran or China, but zero days occasionally are exploited in the wild.

Having a 5 year update policy means I don't have to go through that "chore" of setting up a new device unless I really need to. Before, it took an iPhone or flagship Android phone to get good support. That has finally drifted down to the mid-range, so consumers do have more choices.

If I were you, I'd evaluate the BF deals and jump if an exceptional one comes along. Otherwise, riding it out for a little longer is reasonable as well.

 

[spdfreak]

I keep a low profile, and I'm not an interesting target. Updates are better than no updates, but I'm not particularly worried about it. Exploits tend to come through the web browser, and I keep the browsers on all my systems locked down tight.

As for what I'm gonna do... I think I've decided to take a wait and see approach. My phones work fine, and I don't like treating electronics as disposable. I also don't like getting new devices. They're fun for the first ten minutes, then it just becomes a chore setting things up the way I like, and disabling the garbage that comes with a new phone.

Also, the longer I wait, the cheaper the device as long as things don't go sideways. If things start to look like they're going sideways, I'll pickup a new phone or two.

Not sure why you wouldn't want to get a new pixel if you want to keep stuff a long time. 7 yrs of OS updates, pixel drops, bare android with no junk added in, top rated camera, amazing screen, etc... Motorola by only supporting their phones a couple years is basically saying "we want you to throw this phone away and get a new one" or maybe "we don't really build these things to last".

 

[lxskllr]

No microsd, no phone jack. I buy low end phones cause they do what I need. I need an adequate camera, and screen tech has been good enough for years. Fewer pixels and a lower refresh rate means a longer lived battery. I'm currently using a 2021 Stylus 5G. Works perfectly for my purposes, and I think it was $250 when purchased. If I were to buy a phone today my choices are a MotoG Power @ $165 or the 2024 Stylus 5G @ $260. I'd be leaning towards the Power cause I don't use the stylus as much as I thought I would, and while the specs are below the Stylus2024, they're better than what I'm currently using which is already fine.

The Pixel is $800-$1k. I work and play in rough environments. The insurance to cover a $1k phone probably costs more than a whole Motorola over the phone's lifespan.

 

[manly]

The Pixel 8a is $500. I'm guessing it'll be $400 for Black Friday. Other flagship Pixel deals have already been mentioned above, so you're not gonna be spending $800.

Alternately, the affordable Samsung A series offers 4 years of software updates. The A35 is on sale for $300, and there are some cheaper options. In the past, TouchWiz had a lousy rep but Samsung has gradually moved away from bespoke Android and apps. Nobody really complains about OneUI anymore.

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From a consumer viewpoint, the only way companies improve their shitty policies is if we vote with our wallets.

 

[lxskllr]

Samsung is definitely a huge "Nope!". While I might consider a Pixel, I've grown to hate Samsung phones. The hardware quality is great, but I don't like the software implementation. They have to be their own special snowflake with everything, and do things different just to be different. Trying to be Apple without the uniqueness or polish to back it up.

 

[balloonshark]

My Motorola is three years old. I'm happy with it, and everything works great. However, Trump's proposed tariffs have me concerned. I'd be happy to use this phone for another five years(4 years of dumbass and a year to recover), but that's a lot to ask of a phone that's used daily, and it's waaay past getting updates. So, y'all think the tariffs will amount to anything, or should I grab a phone now while I can? $10± isn't a big deal, but a 60% increase is, especially if I can insure against it for $200(the approximate cost of a new Motorola).

I'm quoting you so you'll see this post. Here is a link to slickdeals and Motorola black friday deals if you want to check prices.

Trade-In Select Smartphone: Buy 256GB Motorola Edge 2024 Unlocked Smartphone $200 or less + Free Shipping

Motorola offering early black friday specials with up to $150 discounts on a G20 phone (i think Moto G Pure) fits and $1 trade in value for the phone. Many old phones can be traded but the $150 discou

slickdeals.net

 

[spdfreak]

My sister just got a pixel 9 for free at t-mo trading in her 7. Hard to beat free. And she's on one of their cheap over 55 plans.

 

[DaaQ]

Samsung is definitely a huge "Nope!". While I might consider a Pixel, I've grown to hate Samsung phones. The hardware quality is great, but I don't like the software implementation. They have to be their own special snowflake with everything, and do things different just to be different. Trying to be Apple without the uniqueness or polish to back it up.

I am still hoping they will release, a Think phone 50 or newer than the woeful 2024 Edge they released. Not sure if it is a Think phone, I know its a 50 but Europe release not US.
Have had Motorola since OG DROID, not LG first one. Have a SS Gs10e from work, its trash.

 

[manly]

I'm quoting you so you'll see this post. Here is a link to slickdeals and Motorola black friday deals if you want to check prices.

Trade-In Select Smartphone: Buy 256GB Motorola Edge 2024 Unlocked Smartphone $200 or less + Free Shipping

Motorola offering early black friday specials with up to $150 discounts on a G20 phone (i think Moto G Pure) fits and $1 trade in value for the phone. Many old phones can be traded but the $150 discou

slickdeals.net

If this model has a good (5 years) update policy, I think OP needs to reconsider his plan to run a phone without security updates for at least 4 more years LOL.

Like I already said, Samsung One UI is fine now and I consider the A35 a viable budget option. But excluding Samesung, OP could get the Pixel 8a and be covered for a very long time.* I think it's probable that Trump will escalate tariffs vs. China, so I'd just pull the trigger now on a well-supported phone and be done with it for the next 5+ years.

* Personally I hate a lot about Google/Alphabet so I try not to give them any money. But that's a separate issue than the quality of Pixel phones.

My sister just got a pixel 9 for free at t-mo trading in her 7. Hard to beat free. And she's on one of their cheap over 55 plans.

Ahh hell, T-Mobile keeps renaming their shit! Looks like she's on Go5G Plus 55.

https://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans/unlimited-55-senior-discount-plans

 

[balloonshark]

If this model has a good (5 years) update policy, I think OP needs to reconsider his plan to run a phone without security updates for at least 4 more years LOL.

Like I already said, Samsung One UI is fine now and I consider the A35 a viable budget option. But excluding Samesung, OP could get the Pixel 8a and be covered for a very long time.* I think it's probable that Trump will escalate tariffs vs. China, so I'd just pull the trigger now on a well-supported phone and be done with it for the next 5+ years.

* Personally I hate a lot about Google/Alphabet so I try not to give them any money. But that's a separate issue than the quality of Pixel phones.

I have a Galaxy A54 and I'm pretty happy with the phone. I traded my A51 for it so the A54 was $250.

I used to use Motorola phones but it always seemed like I would get an update right near their last set of updates that would kill my battery standby life. I also got tired of using a phone that wasn't getting security updates. I always wanted to try a Samsung and I haven't looked back. I would consider a pixel but no sd card is a deal breaker.

 

[DaaQ]

My sister just got a pixel 9 for free at t-mo trading in her 7. Hard to beat free. And she's on one of their cheap over 55 plans.

Wife also got a Pixel 9 Pro (maybe) says for free but she had to payoff her old phone. This is with Verizon, early last month or late Oct.

It looks to me as the account holder, that she gets a monthly credit that essentially makes the phone free over time. Suspect if I was to terminate, would owe what's left on it. Was trade in any phone for a Pixel 9 program, hers had cracked screen ect..

 

[spdfreak]

I have a Galaxy A54 and I'm pretty happy with the phone. I traded my A51 for it so the A54 was $250.

I used to use Motorola phones but it always seemed like I would get an update right near their last set of updates that would kill my battery standby life. I also got tired of using a phone that wasn't getting security updates. I always wanted to try a Samsung and I haven't looked back. I would consider a pixel but no sd card is a deal breaker.

I loved my StarTac, haven't looked at them since

 

[spdfreak]

Wife also got a Pixel 9 Pro (maybe) says for free but she had to payoff her old phone. This is with Verizon, early last month or late Oct.

It looks to me as the account holder, that she gets a monthly credit that essentially makes the phone free over time. Suspect if I was to terminate, would owe what's left on it. Was trade in any phone for a Pixel 9 program, hers had cracked screen ect..

T-mo is a bit better than Verizon or ATT in that the term you agree to is 2 yrs vs 3. She's been with them for about 5 yrs now and even has their 5g home internet which has a bundle discount. For over 55, I don't think anyone beats t-mo. But I did switch to visible when they had their 15/mo promo for 5 yrs. Been really happy with that so far. Signal strength and battery life are far better where I live on Verizon's network.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Pixel 9 is $479 including the year of service now (been that way since Black Friday). Bought one for my sister. The Pixel 9 Pro also came back in stock (haven't checked if it sold out again or not).

Yeah, AT&T and Verizon moved to their monthly credits being over 3 years. T-Mobile is still at 2, but I doubt that holds as they basically fall in line with the other 2.

I was debating going back to Android, even bought an Xperia 1 V as it had what I missed from my V60 (headphone jack, uSD card, manual camera features). But the headphone jack quality isn't as good as LG's V series, and I didn't enjoy their camera apps - that's right, plural as there's 3 or 4, for the auto type modes and then pro/manual stuff. Plus iPhone has a surprising amount of flexibility/manual tweaking that gives me most if not all of the control the LG camera app used to. I'll miss the SD card, but I'm realizing that the use that I had for a lot of storage on my V60 I can adjust other things to get that other ways. I can handle having my music be at high bitrate modern lossy, and the limited storage will make me have to archive/process/discard photos and videos more actively (had a bunch on prior phones that I didn't need to keep or that I needed to backup - lost a bunch because I didn't do that before I lost my original V60 with the memory card). I have other options that would make much more sense to store stuff on, as well as will be getting an external SSD for storing things like pics/music/video rips/etc for backup and being able to use it on different devices. I also have some portable 4K displays/projector that have USB-C input, and the Sony just mirrors the phone display, which when coupled with the weird aspect ratio (which I like as far as normal phone use/handling, really liked the narrower phone), led to black bars horizontal and vertical at some weird resolution that didn't look right, whereas the USB-C iPhone Pro puts out a 4K HDR signal with no problem. I ended up watching multiple movies when I was testing as the quality was so good that I just kept watching.