Any gay ATOT'ers here?

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Anyhoo, I'm not used to being around gays that are uncomfortable in their daily work lives, but maybe that's just my experience.

How would you know, if they are uncomfortable to the extent that they are afraid to say that they are gay?

Too true. I guess it has to do with all of my professional jobs involving at least one gay in the workplace. (My immediate workplace, mind you) I'm assuming then, that with the very open gays around, there wouldn't be any in the closet.

Plus, being the son of a lesbian...I figure that my gaydar is pretty well-tuned

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Anyhoo, I'm not used to being around gays that are uncomfortable in their daily work lives, but maybe that's just my experience.

How would you know, if they are uncomfortable to the extent that they are afraid to say that they are gay?

Too true. I guess it has to do with all of my professional jobs involving at least one gay in the workplace. (My immediate workplace, mind you) I'm assuming then, that with the very open gays around, there wouldn't be any in the closet.

Plus, being the son of a lesbian...I figure that my gaydar is pretty well-tuned

Poor assumption that because some gays are out, most/all are.... definitely not the case in any instance I've observed.

Also... many gay men have been surprised/shocked/repulsed when they discover their gaydar has failed them, and that I'm gay.

 

[BlancoNino]

I believe that whether you are born with homosexual or heterosexual tendencies, you are fully able to train and learn to be attracted to either sex. My girlfriend's uncle was gay for years (throughout adolescence, teens, and early adulthood), but decided that he thought it was not in his best interest to be gay, so he learned and trained himself to become straight. He's had a successful marriage. Just the opposite can happen too.

Just because somebody is born with a tendency to do something, doesn't mean that it's implanted that they are never going to change or can't change. It's like somebody who is born with great math skills but poor writing skills. That person can choose to become a famous author over becoming a scientist, but he/she will have to work harder at it.

Nothing wrong with being gay, IMO. I have a couple of gay friends, and they are pretty damn cool.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
he thought it was not in his best interest to be gay, so he learned and trained himself to become straight. He's had a successful marriage

i.e., the guy is either bisexual, or he hates himself so much he's decided to live a lie.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: classy
You know what I don't understand. Why do people make excuses for homosexuals? Last time I checked people choose who they want to sleep with. Or did I miss something? Being gay is a choice, plain and simple. Sexual behavior is a choice plain and simple. Next we'll have perverts saying they can't help it they were born that way.

So you could just as easily go sleep with a guy tomorrow night as you could a woman, right? Since you choose it, you could do whatever you want.

I don't claim to understand homosexuality. I can't imagine something less pleasant to look at than a naked guy and God knows I love me some boobies. I couldn't have sex with another dude. I just couldn't do it. Maybe it's the same for them.

To be honest, so long as they aren't out raping people, it's none of our business what they do. I've only met a few openly gay people, and it's only been very recently (like the last six months), and they're just normal people. They didn't seem to be defined by their sexuality any more than I am. People don't say "There goes that straight dude, Chaotic42", they say "There goes that jackass, Chaotic42." Same with the gay people I've met. They're regular people that just *happen* to be gay.

That's about all of the coherent typing I can do at 5-something am.

 

[Lord Evermore]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
As a very gay friend of mine once explained to me, "Bi-sexuals are just fags that won't admit that they are fags." I laughed becuase it's true...ime

That is almost as bad as people spouting nonsense about gayness being a choice. I certainly like melons and taco as much as I like meat and two veg (yes that makes me giggle). I can't imagine anybody claiming to be bisexual and forcing themselves to make it with the opposite sex because they think it's more acceptable than being gay. As your statement demonstrates, even gay people look down on bisexuals and think it's just another form of being in the closet and we can't possibly have been born this way. (I'll only passingly mention the humor in the fact that we get it from both sides.)

 

[Lord Evermore]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
They didn't seem to be defined by their sexuality any more than I am. They're regular people that just *happen* to be gay.

The vast majority are that way. The flamers that march in parades and protest while wearing crotchless underwear and pink tutus and being led by leashes make the rest of the world think that's how all gays are. That's probably the way most of the ones in San Francisco are, but that's an abnormal concentration.

 

[DefDC]

*snip*
Quote from animalia:

"Really, well I have heard it said. The sin is no worse, but they live a life that forces them to sin, according to Catholic faith. This is why they are not allowed to become priests or Church members. Only once they make sin more occasional and less a requirement for living will they be allowed to become a priest. They do deserve forgiveness and love. Do you need to hear your mom tell you she loves you everyday? Or do you know it already? I would guess you know it already. I know she told you one many times, but everyone is a sinner and we are all equal in God's eyes."


Just like all those Friday meat eaters and immoral shellfish diners. Why aren't there protest groups and people boycotting restaurants that serve meat on Fridays and pork year 'round. Looks at the sinful nature! Surely they are going to hell. The bible says it's an ABOMINATION just like being gay!

Or have we learned that some of these "sins" from the Bible either aren't meant to be taken literally, or don't make any sense at all. If not, I have a few ex-girlfriends that need to be stoned to death.

Just imagine if they DID say that writing with your left hand was sinful. Lefties would have to write with their office door closed, praying that no-one notices for fear of their job, and being ostracized from their friends and family.

That's EXACTLY the same amount of sense the church is making of this issue.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: moshquerade

juvenile.

although, homosexuals aren't the only ones who do it IDB.

Many heterosexual men like it IDB. What does that say!

that would make them bisexual.

It does? The last I checked, my wife with a strap on isn't a guy.

If you like the feel of your wife shafting you from behind with a strap-on, then I'd say that you have gay tendencies. Probably in the closet.

And when you take into account your political views, it all makes sense.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I believe that whether you are born with homosexual or heterosexual tendencies, you are fully able to train and learn to be attracted to either sex. My girlfriend's uncle was gay for years (throughout adolescence, teens, and early adulthood), but decided that he thought it was not in his best interest to be gay, so he learned and trained himself to become straight. He's had a successful marriage. Just the opposite can happen too. l.

lol, that's ridiculous. Reminds me of those nutty religious wackos and abduct people to "reprogram" them.

Your gf's uncle is still gay. He just stepped back into the closet.

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: moshquerade

juvenile.

although, homosexuals aren't the only ones who do it IDB.

Many heterosexual men like it IDB. What does that say!

that would make them bisexual.

It does? The last I checked, my wife with a strap on isn't a guy.

If you like the feel of your wife shafting you from behind with a strap-on, then I'd say that you have gay tendencies. Probably in the closet.

And when you take into account your political views, it all makes sense.

Everyone is bi-sexual, including you. You just can't admit it.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: 3NF

Everyone is bi-sexual, including you. You just can't admit it.

If I don't have any desire at all to be with a man, how am I bisexual?

I think you're superimposing your beliefs on others. It's obvious that you have gay tendencies. Seriously, I've found that a huge number of people that lean far-left on the political spectrum are gay/bi.

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: 3NF

Everyone is bi-sexual, including you. You just can't admit it.

If I don't have any desire at all to be with a man, how am I bisexual?

I think you're superimposing your beliefs on others. It's obvious that you have gay tendencies. Seriously, I've found that a huge number of people that lean far-left on the political spectrum are gay/bi.

You're right, I can't necessarily say you are so I take that back, but I think most people are bi. For me, I don't find men themselves attractive (ugly in fact), but I am attracted to all sexual organs. I don't why, it's just how I am. It's probably why I play with mine so much - it's actually quite nice! I can send you pictures if you like. If I could suck on my own, I would. It's a good thing I can't, because I'd probably never leave the house!

Oh, and my view on CCW doesn't represent all of my political views. I'm just glad I make a lot of money, have great (but maybe bizarre to you conservatives) sex life, and live in an area where crime is extremely low. The last place I would want to live is a place that made me think I had to pack heat everyday. If I had to choose between fighting a guy or sucking his ****, then I would choose the latter.

Why can't we just all sit around and have sex and be happy!

Hope you have a Happy New Year - I know mine will be

 

[PaperclipGod]

I haven't checked this thread in a few days and just started reading through it. Just wanted to say thanks to Platypus for posting. That took guts, but it was worth it.

 

[shilala]

I'm not gay, but I am willing to learn.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: sm8000
Not all gays get ostracized, disowned, and hated by society.

Nope. They're given TV shows and made into heroes.... :frown:

 

[Crazee]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think you're superimposing your beliefs on others. It's obvious that you have gay tendencies. Seriously, I've found that a huge number of people that lean far-left on the political spectrum are gay/bi.

That has to be one of the dumbest statements in this thread. There are plenty of gays on both sides of the political spectrum. Why don't you leave your political ramblings and cheap shots in P&N where they belong.

 

[Whitedog]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
imho, no one chooses to be gay. they are just born that way.

I happen to know that people are not born that way... it is a choice.

Are drug addicts born that way? No. It starts out as something VERY small, that grows into something out of control... until...

They are parrelleled in a sense.

 

[DefDC]

Originally posted by: Whitedog

Originally posted by: moshquerade
imho, no one chooses to be gay. they are just born that way.

I happen to know that people are not born that way... it is a choice.

Are drug addicts born that way? No. It starts out as something VERY small, that grows into something out of control... until...

They are parrelleled in a sense.

OK, I'll bite. How do you know? Where you hetero and found the thought of gay sex repulsive, and then learned to enjoy it? If not, you're making up facts in your head.

On the other hand, many of my gay friends knew as a young child that they were drawn to the same sex. They tell me they were born that way. I'd take the opinion from the horses mouth.

Were you taught to be right or left handed? Or were you born that way?

 

[DefDC]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: sm8000
Not all gays get ostracized, disowned, and hated by society.

Nope. They're given TV shows and made into heroes.... :frown:

Right... They're not heroes. Those awful sinners are standing up for their right not to be hanged, driven from their jobs, or disowned by their families... Just because they are acting on their natural impulses that don't affect ANYONE else. Lousy bastards... :roll:

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: DefDC

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: sm8000
Not all gays get ostracized, disowned, and hated by society.

Nope. They're given TV shows and made into heroes.... :frown:

Right... They're not heroes. Those awful sinners are standing up for their right not to be hanged, driven from their jobs, or disowned by their families... Just because they are acting on their natural impulses that don't affect ANYONE else. Lousy bastards... :roll:

Being gay is one thing - does anyone deserve the right to act like a jumping, flaming fruitcake? "But Wiiiillll!! I wanna' go buy some leather pants so I can get al hot and sweaty for the man of my dreams!"

 

[Lord Evermore]

Originally posted by: bluemax
Being gay is one thing - does anyone deserve the right to act like a jumping, flaming fruitcake? "But Wiiiillll!! I wanna' go buy some leather pants so I can get al hot and sweaty for the man of my dreams!"

They have the right. But I reserve the right to call them dumbasses who should get over themselves. And to get all creeped out.

But Will and Grace was good. Not enough that I made an effort to watch it, but fun.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: Whitedog

Originally posted by: moshquerade
imho, no one chooses to be gay. they are just born that way.

I happen to know that people are not born that way... it is a choice.

Are drug addicts born that way? No. It starts out as something VERY small, that grows into something out of control... until...

They are parrelleled in a sense.

Yeah in the same sense that you parallel a free thinking rational being. So basically not at all.

I think gays parallel the religious. Their habits serve no real purpose and i totally dont understand them, but as long as they dont go out of their way to bother me i could give a flying fvck what they do on their own time.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
...

/popcorn
/lawnchair

/beer

/showtunes and Cher CD's

 

[imported_ceefka]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
I'm REALLY, HONESTLY not trying to be offensive here, just curious. My curiosity stems from hearing about how hard it is for people to grow up gay. I mean, from peer pressure to parents it's not an easy thing, i'd imagine. Hell, from those two things alone i think you can make a pretty strong argument that being gay is genetic. I can't imagine many 12 year olds on the verge of adolescence thinking "hey, i think i'll be gay, get ostracized from my peers, run the risk of my parents disowning me, and just learn to live in a society that doesnt like me!"

Anyway, here's the question for any gays here: If you could snap your fingers and become heterosexual, would you? Or rather, since most of the gay people reading this have probably already established their lives around a gay identity... if you could have become heterosexual back when you first realized you were gay, would you? Imagine for a moment that you were just as attracted to women as you are to men. Imagine yourself not missing being gay, because you were never of that inclination to begin with.

So?

If it was as easy as flipping a switch, then you can also turn it around. Wouldn't gay people rather like the society to switch their approach and be cool with gays? Having a gay saying that he'd rather be heterosexual is still denying his true identity IMHO. That works rather well in small circles, but society as a whole seems to suffer still from ignorance, with Russia leading the pack.