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theNEOone

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i've been wanting to get scuba certified for the longest time, and now i've booked tickets on a cruise to mexico, jamaica, and cayman islands as a bday gift to my g/f - just the excuse i need to get scuba certified! i checked a local dive shop to get prices on classes, the cheapest seems to be in the mid-$200 range. i have to provide some of my own equipment (snorkel, fins, weight belt, etc.) and am curious as to how online scuba shops compare to the retail stores? any divers here know some reputable online vendors w/ competitive prices? thanks.

also, what kind of equipment would you recommend for me?




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NogginBoink

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You don't want to order most of this stuff online. You need to try on a mask and fins to ensure they fit and are comfortable. And shipping costs on a weight belt... well... the sole purpose of it (as the name suggests) is to be heavy.
 

GasX

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You NEED to buy your own snorkeling gear:

Mask
Snorkel
Boots
Open heel flippers

The rest of the gear you can rent.

Snorkeling gear and wetsuits can be bought for much cheaper online, but if you move onward and buy scuba gear, you want it from a local shop that will service and warranty it. You do not want a bargain life support system.

btw, $200 is about right for scuba lessons.
 

theNEOone

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Originally posted by: NogginBoink
You don't want to order most of this stuff online. You need to try on a mask and fins to ensure they fit and are comfortable. And shipping costs on a weight belt... well... the sole purpose of it (as the name suggests) is to be heavy.

well the weight belt and weights come out to about $10 - i can buy these locally. the fins, mask, and snorkel come out to about $200 - i'd like to buy this equipment online. i could always try out the sizing at the store nearby and then order it online. if i have to spend $200 on equipment, i want to make sure it's the best i can get for my money. i've experienced from most of my other hobbies (paintball, snowboarding, computers etc.) that retail shops kill you when it comes to pricing. i usually spend 10-20% less when i buy online - i'd like to continue these savings.




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I personally prefer retail stores to online stores. I like to see wht there is, what condition its in, etc etc. Especially if you decide to get some of the more expensive equipment. A lot of the bigger companies like Mares, US Divers, etc usually have authorized repair shops in popular areas where there are divers, but getting something from a retail sotre might save you from shipping items in to get replaced.

And plus, if you like it and keep diving, when you gets your tanks, BC, regulator, octopus, etc...it's easy to just have a dive shop that you go to regularly. (Find a mom and pop shop as they can generally hook you up as you become more of a regular customer with them. Free air, discounts, etc.

Don't forget to schmooze with the owners and enjoy. :)

Oh..and equipment, i prefer a low profile mask (where the nose piece coems out beyond the eye) and have the lenses as tempered glass. They tend to fog less int he water and give you beter perifial (sp?) vision. Get one piece fins to start but as you do it more, highly recommend booties and fins instead of a one piece that is all together. Get no name brand equipment to start and upgrade as you do it more.

Also, when you dive, make sure you have no burn for jellyfish and keep gloves with you if you do any penetration dives so you can hold onto things without cutting yourself (EVERYTHING underwater manages to be sharp). Carry extra snorkel keepers, mask headbands, toothpaste works good as a cheap defogger, dramamine if you're a pvssy like me (for motion sickness), and an underwater camera. :D

That should be good to get you started. Oh...and another reason I suggest retail is because face mask don't ALL fit the same way, same thing with skins if you decide you need one....it's best to try on at the store and buy if you like.
 

theNEOone

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thanks for the info placer. and bump for anyone that can give me some more links :)




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I started diving last fall and can impart my wisdom, sparse as it might be, to someone looking to get into the sport.

I bought my first mask, snorkel and fins in a set from Oceanic with the purpose of using them for snorkeling. I had considered diving, but I wasn't thinking about it when I bought them. Turns out that the fins are good (large split fins, open heel), but the mask and snorkel are now relegated to my backup snorkel and my last resort mask.

For the fins, you should probably see if you can borrow or rent some to try out to see what you like. Here in Okinawa, shore diving is the norm so booties with open-heel fins are the only option because you are NOT walking on coral with bare feet -- can you say "bloody water"? The booties are also nice because they can double as shoes, and they protect your feet and ankles from things such as sea cucumbers that are pissed that you touched them. Fins come in a variety of styles, and you need to figure out what you want. The big rage is split fins, in particular Scubapro TwinJets (at least around here -- special ops guys use them, seriously!), but they cost around $140. Some people don't like them. Others prefer stiffer, non-split styles that are apparently better in a current but somewhat more tiring. I am certainly no expert, but the point is you need to figure out what you like.

For the snorkel, don't go too cheap. While you may not use it all that much for boat diving, even a short swim on the surface with a water-conduit snorkel is a pain. Look for one with a baffle of some sort on the intake and a trap with a blowhole on the bottom.

On the mask, this is one of the most important pieces of equipment which some people overlook at first. I did! First and foremost, decide whether or not you want to use a purge valve. Some people insist that it's an unnecessary addition that only adds another point of failure to your equipment. Others say that it's fine and adds a significant level of ease and comfort. I used to be in the second group, but now I'm in the first. I had a purge valve mask and used it for four dives without any problems. It was very easy to use, and I loved it. Until two dives ago when it failed on me, and I couldn't go below 20 feet without the mask flooding (valve was shot and water pressure forced past it at depth). It ruined my dive. So, I bought a non-purge and dove with that on the last one -- great mask (U.S. Divers Hawaii 3). Also, think about if you want side panels or not. The volume of the mask increases with side panels, which makes equalization and clearing slightly more difficult, but the addition to your local awareness is very noticeable and worth it to me. I have noticed that the people I dive with who do not have side panels tend to be oblivious of the people right next to them and are more likely to kick you or swim into you accidentally because they simply can't see without moving their entire head.

Again here in Okinawa, we are very fortunate to have numerous military-sanctioned dive shops which are forced to operate with low profit margins because of the vendor rules on military installations. So, our equipment prices are awesome, and they are from authorized dealers, which means that the equipment manufacturers will honor the warranties. Not so with the online dealers. Their prices are great, but they are NOT authorized dealers and therefore basically have no warranties (I learned this from a scuba message board, not experienced personally). That's fine for masks and snorkels and such, but beware if you buy regulators, BCs, etc. Plus, as is mentioned above, it's better to establish a relationship with a local dive shop. You can then learn to trust their opinions about dive sites, equipment, techniques, etc, and even better, they'll stay open so you can keep going there. It's equivalent to buying from a fly-by-night computer store or shopping at Dell. Sure, the Dells are more expensive, but you can trust the equipment and the service much more than the here-today-gone-tomorrow store.

Can't help you on the weight belts since I have integrated weights in my BC. The dive shop here let us rent weights for the class, and I bought my gear prior to my second set of open water dives (couldn't stand the rental stuff!). Also consider buying a smallish dive light. I have one that I carry all the time simply because you can then look into crevices that are constantly in shadow even on the brightest days. I've spotted some critters that I otherwise would not have seen with that light. Don't worry about rechargeables unless you're planning on doing a lot of night diving down the road (and they are stupidly expensive!).

Don't forget about a watch, too. While you can always buy a dive computer somewhere down the line, a good dive watch is essential to track your time underwater and even with a computer serves as a backup in case of failure. I have a Timex Reefgear watch that worked fairly well until the battery stopped prematurely. I've since bought a Seiko, but it's a little more pricey ($250 vs. $30 for the Timex!).
 

burnedout

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I preferred Scubapro back in the day. There were two reasons. 1.) At the time, Scubapro was the most internationally recognized brand. Most of my diving was in Europe and the Middle East. Therefore, if anything went wrong with the regulator (Mark II or Mark V), replacement parts were usually readily available. 2.) I purchased my equipment in Europe at a time when the U.S. dollar was up against the local currency.

The mask, fins and snorkel are your basic gear, or ABC gear. Proper fit is very important for such equipment.

toothpaste works good as a cheap defogger
Bah! Real divers spit in their mask, pee in their wetsuits when cold, and use horsecollar BCs. ;) Seriously though, I love my Scubapro horsecollar BC. She served me well for many years. Prolly get another one someday.
 

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Another good website for dive stuff is leisurepro.com ..... what I did was I went to a local dive shop and figured out what mask I wanted (because it has to make a tight seal with your face) ... actually I picked out like 4-5 of them. Then I went onto leisurepro and ordered it from there. It was roughly half the cost so I was pretty happy with it.
 

GoodRevrnd

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I personally wouldn't buy stuff online, unless I knew EXACTLY what I was buying beforehand (eg, computer, BC).
Also, cheap gear is NOT worth the savings. While most everything is safe you want stuff that will last and is comfortable. Some dive shops have second hand swaps every once and a while. Sport Chalet does it twice a year I think and *sometimes* you can get good stuff there. And definitely rent a computer. Diving is a much more enjoyable experience when you can maximize your time and not have to go through tables.
I do cold water (by comparisson) diving btw, California coast. Been a good while though. :(
 

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maybe its changed in the past 2 years, but when i got certified, most of the online dealers were not authorized resellers, and getting service on the equipment was tough - the manufacturers wanted customers to be friendly w/ their retailers, much the same way high end audio is.
anyways, i can't add much else that anyone here hasn't said, other than reccommend some on your certification
personally, i am NAUI certified and reccomend it to anyone who is taking a course, every NAuI diver i've ever dove with has been a courteous and good diver.
I do not reccommend PADI as a certification - any recently certified PADI divers i've dove with have been inconsiderate, the weak links on group dives and generally not knowledgeable, much reflecting the adage that PADI simply says 'this is a tank, this is a regulator, breath through it' and shoves u in the water
 

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Originally posted by: theNEOone
i've been wanting to get scuba certified for the longest time, and now i've booked tickets on a cruise to mexico, jamaica, and cayman islands as a bday gift to my g/f - just the excuse i need to get scuba certified! i checked a local dive shop to get prices on classes, the cheapest seems to be in the mid-$200 range. i have to provide some of my own equipment (snorkel, fins, weight belt, etc.) and am curious as to how online scuba shops compare to the retail stores? any divers here know some reputable online vendors w/ competitive prices? thanks.

also, what kind of equipment would you recommend for me?
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I took a cruise last year to Key West, FL, Georgetown, Grand Cayman, and then finally to Cozumel, Mexico. Went snorkeling with they rays in the Caymans and then went diving in Cozumel. It is really beautiful and peaceful in the ocean when you're 120 feet below. I've been diving for 5 years now. Cozumel was some of the best diving I've done. Back in 1998, I went to Jamaica but only went snorkeling. The gear I have is scuba pro. If you plan on taking your own equipment, I would suggest, like others have, going to a retail store and try on your mask and fins. Be sure and get open heel fins too. But, one thing to consider, is that you can rent this equipment at the dive shop wherever you decide to dive. When I went last year, I didn't take any of my own stuff at all. Anyway, hope I've helped you.
 

theNEOone

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thanks again for the info guys, this is great stuff! and prvteye2003 - the stop in mexico is actually in cozumel! can you let me know of the company/group that you went diving with? that info would be great!




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Ausm

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Originally posted by: Encryptic
I'm a muffdiver, does that count? :D

All you need is a good set of googles and a pussy snorkel if performed correctly so technically that is not diving ;)

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prvteye2003

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Originally posted by: theNEOone
thanks again for the info guys, this is great stuff! and prvteye2003 - the stop in mexico is actually in cozumel! can you let me know of the company/group that you went diving with? that info would be great!




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The dive shop was Sand Dollar Sports. I would suggest buying your shore excursion before the trip rather than trying once you board. They fill up rather fast. This way, you've got guaranteed tickets and they are cheaper than buying them on the boat. What cruise line are you taking? Where are you leaving from? If you want to pm me or email me, go ahead. I would like to give you all the information that I have. I would have liked to have had more information before my first cruise. Just get in touch with me.
 

Fiveohhh

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I've been diving about 5 times all at a resort in Jamaica, but they won't let ya go below 35ft w/o a card. they'll certify you at the resort(all sandals resorts I believe) for $250(i think) cheapest I could find around here was $250 also, Gonna try and get it done b4 I go again, rather than waste my time there in a class.
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: Farbio

anyways, i can't add much else that anyone here hasn't said, other than reccommend some on your certification
personally, i am NAUI certified and reccomend it to anyone who is taking a course, every NAuI diver i've ever dove with has been a courteous and good diver.
I do not reccommend PADI as a certification - any recently certified PADI divers i've dove with have been inconsiderate, the weak links on group dives and generally not knowledgeable, much reflecting the adage that PADI simply says 'this is a tank, this is a regulator, breath through it' and shoves u in the water
If I'm not mistaken, NAUI was formerly a member of CMAS - the world organization. I've taken both PADI and CMAS courses. CMAS instruction and preparation is far more rigorous than PADI. YMCA is still a member of CMAS.

NAUI is still around, isn't it? I've seen nothing about a merger with YMCA.

 

911paramedic

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Originally posted by: conjur
Where's 911Paramedic...he's a diver, eh?
Awww....you remembered. :D

Yup, I am a dive instructor so I can answer a few questions if you want. The basic (starting) course will run you about $200 like you said. If you are serious about doing it most dive shops will do a "Discover Diving" thing, it lets you get in the pool and try it out with an instructor holding your hand after some brief instructions. Then they will apply that cost, about $50, to your openwater class if you take it with them.

I highly recommend diving, it's literally a whole different world down there.

PM me if you have any other questions.

EDIT: Forgot to add a link for you. Text <-- Really good divers forum.