Any difference with a 4 cylinder engine

[OS]

Originally posted by: Fraggable
4 cylinders are extremely variable, it depends on the car itself and the size of the engine. My mom drives a 02 Stratus SXT with a I4 and it's a beast, it could stay in pace with my V6 Mustang with 190HP. Now I drive a 07 Malibu with a 217HP V6 and there's no way her I4 could stand up to it.

You're probably just feeling the huge loss in power. Enjoy the better mileage.

a civic DX in manual could keep up with those older V6 mustangs

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
A lot of 4 bangers will have as much (even more) horsepower then a lot of entry level V6's, but beacuse 4 cylinders usually are lacking a lot of low end torque they 'feel' slower then a V6 powered car might. For instance, my father has a 97 Sable with a 140 hp V6, my wife's old Eclipse had a 145 hp 4 cylinder. The Eclipse is probably faster, but the Sable feels better, like it has more instant power.

Thats because it is called torque You can have all the horsepower in the world without the torque behind it it doesnt mean jack crap. Why i got a kick out of all the people bashing my old firebird, ewwwww it only has 170 horsepower out of a v8 its sloooooooow, no it had 255 ft lb of torque which made it go like a bat out of hell

Diesel engines the same way, semi may have like 200 HP but pushes out 400 ft lb of torque. So the 4 cyl may have more HP then the V6 but, the V6 has more TQ that gives the car more get up and go.

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

- M4H

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: lilcam
no clue whats in the honda but yes i had a 2.3L supercharger in the mazda until someone rammed into me. the tranny was going and oil was leaking so good riddance to that car.

I wasn't asking you.

Also, turbocharger to supercharger in 1.0 posts?

Year and trim of the Accord and I can tell you, but I'm guessing an older style, so probably the F22.

- M4H

Mine has an F22A4 in it, no real complaints, it works

OP - maybe the gearing is different and so you don't feel as big of a change in speed without changing gears? I know it's a bit drawn out, but something to consider.

Did you get an automatic and manual?

 

[LuckyTaxi]

i just had my friend test drive it and on initial acceleration it shakes so theres something definitely wrong wrong the transmission.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

I've seen this arguement plenty of times. It is never short, and usually becomse a flame fest. My Spyder has no low end torque, but when I had a big turbo, with my after market cams and sheet metal intake manifold, that car absolutely screamed from 5000 rpm to 8000rpm. Torque certainly makes a car more fun to drive, atleast in stop light races. But, low end grunt doesn't mean a whole lot when you shift at redline and are instantly at 4500 RPM in the next gear. I think everyone can agree that a car that has a good balance of low end but with the ability to pull nicely all the way through the engines range is best.

 

[HannibalX]

I have only owned one 4cyl vehicle. I won't own another one any time soon.

Last four vehicles have been V8s.

 

[thehstrybean]

Yes. Something is wrong...

I went from a Honda CRV 4 banger to a Jeep Cherokee I6, and there is a power difference...

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: lilcam
i just had my friend test drive it and on initial acceleration it shakes so theres something definitely wrong wrong the transmission.

no shake in my accord i will bet it is a tranny problem..

 

[randay]

unconpossible

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: lilcam
i just had my friend test drive it and on initial acceleration it shakes so theres something definitely wrong wrong the transmission.

That might be part of your "slowness" feeling.




The other part is probably going

From a:
Supercharged V6 (210 hp @ 5500 rpm, 210 ft·lbf @ 3500 rpm)

To a:
Normally Aspirated I4 (160 hp @ 5500 rpm, 161 ft·lbf @ 4500 rpm )

 

[RedArmy]

4 cylinders are for chumps, torque is where it's at.



/Has a 4 cylinder...isn't slow

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: lilcam
no clue whats in the honda but yes i had a 2.3L supercharger in the mazda until someone rammed into me. the tranny was going and oil was leaking so good riddance to that car.

I wasn't asking you.

Also, turbocharger to supercharger in 1.0 posts?

Year and trim of the Accord and I can tell you, but I'm guessing an older style, so probably the F22.

- M4H

Except the Honda has a bigger wing.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

I've seen this arguement plenty of times. It is never short, and usually becomse a flame fest. My Spyder has no low end torque, but when I had a big turbo, with my after market cams and sheet metal intake manifold, that car absolutely screamed from 5000 rpm to 8000rpm. Torque certainly makes a car more fun to drive, atleast in stop light races. But, low end grunt doesn't mean a whole lot when you shift at redline and are instantly at 4500 RPM in the next gear. I think everyone can agree that a car that has a good balance of low end but with the ability to pull nicely all the way through the engines range is best.

coffee can manifold ftw

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

I've seen this arguement plenty of times. It is never short, and usually becomse a flame fest. My Spyder has no low end torque, but when I had a big turbo, with my after market cams and sheet metal intake manifold, that car absolutely screamed from 5000 rpm to 8000rpm. Torque certainly makes a car more fun to drive, atleast in stop light races. But, low end grunt doesn't mean a whole lot when you shift at redline and are instantly at 4500 RPM in the next gear. I think everyone can agree that a car that has a good balance of low end but with the ability to pull nicely all the way through the engines range is best.

coffee can manifold ftw

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That's badass, man.

- M4H

 

[OS]

bastage (coffee can manifold)

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
A lot of 4 bangers will have as much (even more) horsepower then a lot of entry level V6's, but beacuse 4 cylinders usually are lacking a lot of low end torque they 'feel' slower then a V6 powered car might. For instance, my father has a 97 Sable with a 140 hp V6, my wife's old Eclipse had a 145 hp 4 cylinder. The Eclipse is probably faster, but the Sable feels better, like it has more instant power.

Thats because it is called torque You can have all the horsepower in the world without the torque behind it it doesnt mean jack crap. Why i got a kick out of all the people bashing my old firebird, ewwwww it only has 170 horsepower out of a v8 its sloooooooow, no it had 255 ft lb of torque which made it go like a bat out of hell

Diesel engines the same way, semi may have like 200 HP but pushes out 400 ft lb of torque. So the 4 cyl may have more HP then the V6 but, the V6 has more TQ that gives the car more get up and go. Which is what the OP is feeling right now. When you go buying a car forget the HP numbers look for the TQ numbers and where it kicks in at max. You want max HP at high RPM but you want max TQ at the Lowest RPM you can get and thats really where abouts you want to be shifting at and not red lining the damn car waiting for it to explode unless your driving a 4 cyl ricer.

You're wrong...it was the screaming chicken on the hood that made it so fast.

BTW-A WRX-STI (2.5l turbocharged 4-cylinder) with 300hp/300lb ft torque will do 13 second 1/4 mile and 0-60 in under 5 seconds. A Lotus Elise (1.8l NA 4 cylinder) will also run 13s and 0-60 in under 5 seconds. I'd take either of those ricers over any Firebird.

Oh, and I've owned muscle cars too...they handle like sh!t compared to the two cars I just mentioned.

 

[IGBT]

..you need a trunk lid whale tale for a 10% boost in power. and you get to look at it in your rear view mirror.

 

[SlowSpyder]

bastage (coffee can manifold)

My intake mani.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
A lot of 4 bangers will have as much (even more) horsepower then a lot of entry level V6's, but beacuse 4 cylinders usually are lacking a lot of low end torque they 'feel' slower then a V6 powered car might. For instance, my father has a 97 Sable with a 140 hp V6, my wife's old Eclipse had a 145 hp 4 cylinder. The Eclipse is probably faster, but the Sable feels better, like it has more instant power.

Thats because it is called torque You can have all the horsepower in the world without the torque behind it it doesnt mean jack crap. Why i got a kick out of all the people bashing my old firebird, ewwwww it only has 170 horsepower out of a v8 its sloooooooow, no it had 255 ft lb of torque which made it go like a bat out of hell

Diesel engines the same way, semi may have like 200 HP but pushes out 400 ft lb of torque. So the 4 cyl may have more HP then the V6 but, the V6 has more TQ that gives the car more get up and go. Which is what the OP is feeling right now. When you go buying a car forget the HP numbers look for the TQ numbers and where it kicks in at max. You want max HP at high RPM but you want max TQ at the Lowest RPM you can get and thats really where abouts you want to be shifting at and not red lining the damn car waiting for it to explode unless your driving a 4 cyl ricer.

You're wrong...it was the screaming chicken on the hood that made it so fast.

BTW-A WRX-STI (2.5l turbocharged 4-cylinder) with 300hp/300lb ft torque will do 13 second 1/4 mile and 0-60 in under 5 seconds. A Lotus Elise (1.8l NA 4 cylinder) will also run 13s and 0-60 in under 5 seconds. I'd take either of those ricers over any Firebird.

Oh, and I've owned muscle cars too...they handle like sh!t compared to the two cars I just mentioned.

But the Firebird cost like $1000. I can have whole garage full of firebirdssssssssssss for the cost of one Lotus!

Lawlz

 

[OS]

I bet a $1000 firebird with $39000 in mods can beat the elise.

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: redly1
place a "type R" sticker on the back

yah, and put some ground effects on, that adds at least 5 h.p....10 if they strobe.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Since we've moved on to ricers, check out this guys sweet ride.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

- M4H

kinda sorta. it's a long flat torque curve that wins races (because no force is applied when you're changing gear). a high horsepower figure at a high rpm is a good indicator of that. an F1 car's torque curve is very long and very flat (~12,000 rpms within 90%, or about 300+ ft lbs of torque from 5000 rpm to 18000 rpm, at least, with the V10s they used to use).

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: lilcam
i just had my friend test drive it and on initial acceleration it shakes so theres something definitely wrong wrong the transmission.

Is this an automatic or manual? If manual, maybe you're launching the car at too low of an RPM... when you're going maybe 20mph, drop it in 5th, you'll get that same sound of the engine struggling.