any consideration to PhysiX factor?

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Who gives a shit about announcements? Do you give a shit about DX10.1 announcements (Blizzard, EA, et al)? No? Then why should anyone give a shit about PhysX announcements?

You made an erroneous post about "unsupported tech". I point out all the support for it and you dismiss it as well.

I get it you hate that NVIDIA has PhysX. You've done nothing but complain about the card in your sig and praise the card not in your sig. NOTHING WILL PLEASE YOU FROM NVIDIA. I'm actually surprised you bought a 260 considering how you have done nothing but bash NVIDIA over the last several years. You continue to do so today. Maybe I will put my laptop in my sig so I to can seem fair and balanced. :roll:

Even if I could list 1000 games that used Physx fully. You would say it's just eye candy, or I don't like those games or bah humbug.

For all of those without an agenda. It's free, useful and the next big thing in gaming. Nothing out there even comes close.

Here is a list of games already using PhysX. Hardly unsupported.

2 Days to Vegas
Adrenalin 2: Rush Hour
Age of Empires III
Age of Empires III: The WarChiefs
Alpha Prime
Auto Assault
Backbreaker
B.A.S.E. Jumping
Bet on Soldier: Blackout Saigon
Bet on Soldier: Blood of Sahara
Bet on Soldier: Blood Sport
Beowulf
Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War
Captain Blood
Cellfactor: Combat Training
Cellfactor: Revolution
City of Villains
Crazy Machines II
Cryostasis
Dark Physics
Desert Diner
Dragonshard
Dusk 12
Empire Above All
Empire Earth III
Entropia Universe
Fallen Earth
Fury
Gears Of War
Gluk'Oza: Action
GooBall
Gothic 3
Gunship Apocalypse
Heavy Rain
Hero's Jorney
Hour of Victory
Hunt, The
Huxley
Infernal
Inhabited island: Prisoner of Power
Joint Task Force
Kuma\WAR
Magic ball 3
Mass Effect
Medal of Honor: Airborne
Metro 2033
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia
Monster Truck Maniax
Myst Online: URU Live
Open Fire
Paragraph 78
Pirates of the Burning Sea
PT Boats: Knights of the Sea
Rail Simulator
Red Steel
Rise Of Nations: Rise Of Legends
Roboblitz
Sacred 2
Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened
Showdown: Scorpion
Silverfall
Sovereign Symphony
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Speedball 2
Stalin Subway, The
Stoked Rider: Alaska Alien
Switchball
Tension
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent (multiplayer)
Tortuga: Two Treasures
Two Worlds
Ultra Tubes
Unreal Tournament 3
Unreal Tournament 3: Extreme Physics Mod
Warfare
Warmonger: Operation Downtown Destruction
W.E.L.L. Online
Winterheart's Guild
WorldShift

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Wreckage


For all of those without an agenda.

I've given up arguing about physX, but that made me laugh.

So that will be you, rollo and keys with no agenda and everyone else with one then?


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Here is a list of games already using PhysX. Hardly unsupported.

...

The vast majority of games on your list don't support hardware accelerated PhysX, many aren't even released, and some aren't even PC games.

What agenda drove you to posting such a nonsense list?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Here is a list of games already using PhysX. Hardly unsupported.

...

The vast majority of games on your list don't support hardware accelerated PhysX, many aren't even released, and some aren't even PC games.

What agenda drove you to posting such a nonsense list?

Plus some of those games don't have Mario or nudity. :roll:

I realize that no matter what get's posted it will be dismissed.

Bottom line if 2 cards are around the same price and performance and the only thing really separating them is PhysX support. It would be ridiculous not to get the PhysX card.

It's like 2 cars of similar performance and price, except one has AC and the other does not. Now I'm sure some people who prefer the Red car will say AC is useless in the winter or they actually like to sweat. But the majority of people will go for the car with more options.

 

[nosfe]

i don't know about you but if i would live in the US and had to decide between two cards that have the same performance and price i'd go with an nvidia card because of the step-up programs and not because of PhysX. That's the "problem", there always seem to be more important things than PhysX separating the cards from ati and nvidia(from my point of view anyway)

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
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Bottom line if 2 cards are around the same price and performance and the only thing really separating them is PhysX support. It would be ridiculous not to get the PhysX card.

Thats because physX is your thing.

It makes as much sense to me (at the moment) as:

Bottom line if 2 cards are around the same price and performance and the only thing really separating them is DX10.1 support. It would be ridiculous not to get the DX10.1 card.

or (an older example)

Bottom line if 2 cards are around the same price and performance and the only thing really separating them is SM3 support. It would be ridiculous not to get the SM3 card.

or (for GF 6800 owners)

Bottom line if 2 cards are around the same price and performance and the only thing really separating them is video acceleration support. It would be ridiculous not to get the video acceleration card.

Getting the hint yet?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I realize that no matter what get's posted it will be dismissed.

If care to narrow your list down to released PC games that actually do support hardware accelerated PhysX, I would have no desire to contest it. I would of course still laugh at you for trying to make a big deal about it though; seeing as how your "list" would total one game and a mod for another.

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Bottom line if 2 cards are around the same price and performance and the only thing really separating them is PhysX support. It would be ridiculous not to get the PhysX card.

And how does PhysX support seprate the cards anymore than DX10.1 support?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Thats because physX is your thing.

No, PhysX is a high end gaming thing.

If you are not into gaming, then I could see your point. However if you are into using the video card to play video games, you would want a PhysX capable card.

Unless you don't intend to play games like UT3, GRAW2, Mirror's Edge, Bionic Commando, etc, etc.

In that case integrated video may do just as well.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Thats because physX is your thing.

No PhysX is a high end gaming thing.

If you are not into gaming, then I could see your point. However if you are into using the video card to play video games, you would want a PhysX capable card.

Unless you don't intend to play games like UT3, GRAW2, Mirror's Edge, Bionic Commando, etc, etc.

In that case integrated video may do just as well.

Right, so none of those games will work without a physX capable vid card?

:disgust:

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: nosfe
i don't know about you but if i would live in the US and had to decide between two cards that have the same performance and price i'd go with an nvidia card because of the step-up programs and not because of PhysX.

What attraction would step-up have to you when there is noting coming in the next 90 days to replace the 9800GTX price point anyway?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

And how does PhysX support seprate the cards anymore than DX10.1 support?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSeW9NejxLo

 

[kylebisme]

I've seen the tech demo, but I was asking in terms of actual games.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I've seen the tech demo, but I was asking in terms of actual games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_B3_upOvmc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

 

[kylebisme]

I was asking in terms of games we can actually play. I'm interested to see how the PyhsX support in Mirrors Edge turns out, but for all we know now the added physics effects won't be worth the framerate hit, particularly on midrange cards like the one being asked about here.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Your answer is, it won't hurt to have a graphics card that supports it. Doesn't cost you anything extra. Might as well.

One could say the same about DX10.1 and the Radeon.

However, since I don't get free hardware from either company for talking them up, I say just get whichever card does better in the games you play now.

Not much to do with the topic. Either sentence.

 

[Modelworks]

I wish they all would use Havok. It is far more mature than any of the other physics related API.
Unfortunately both AMD and Nvidia were too busy trying to recreate what already existed.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Your answer is, it won't hurt to have a graphics card that supports it. Doesn't cost you anything extra. Might as well.

One could say the same about DX10.1 and the Radeon.

However, since I don't get free hardware from either company for talking them up, I say just get whichever card does better in the games you play now.

Not much to do with the topic. Either sentence.

It has a lot to do with the discussion. Both sentences.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: rogueshah
Hey I intend to purchase a high end Card...like ati 4850 or nvidia 9800GTX + for gaming purpose
should the fact that NVIDIA is supporting the Physix phenomenon in new games (after acquiring ageia) be given any weightage when deciding which company to swing to?

Let me put it this way, I wouldn't bet any amount on it... (and I own physix capable cards)

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Your answer is, it won't hurt to have a graphics card that supports it. Doesn't cost you anything extra. Might as well.

One could say the same about DX10.1 and the Radeon.

However, since I don't get free hardware from either company for talking them up, I say just get whichever card does better in the games you play now.

Not much to do with the topic. Either sentence.

It has a lot to do with the discussion. Both sentences.

The first sentence I can see, only if this PhysX discussion threatens ATI for you in any way.
Ok, I'll give you that.

The second sentence? Care to elaborate on what you mean? And how it has to do with my original post? And while you're at it, can you prove that you do not receive free hardware?
Or should we just take your word on the matter.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Your answer is, it won't hurt to have a graphics card that supports it. Doesn't cost you anything extra. Might as well.

One could say the same about DX10.1 and the Radeon.

However, since I don't get free hardware from either company for talking them up, I say just get whichever card does better in the games you play now.

Not much to do with the topic. Either sentence.

It has a lot to do with the discussion. Both sentences.

The first sentence I can see, only if this PhysX discussion threatens ATI for you in any way.
Ok, I'll give you that.

The second sentence? Care to elaborate on what you mean? And how it has to do with my original post? And while you're at it, can you prove that you do not receive free hardware?
Or should we just take your word on the matter.

:disgust: Jeez are you going to start accusing people who have differing opinions to you of having an agenda as well?

Paranoia is not a character trait to be cultivated.

 

[Keysplayr]

n/m

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Your answer is, it won't hurt to have a graphics card that supports it. Doesn't cost you anything extra. Might as well.

One could say the same about DX10.1 and the Radeon.

One could, but it would be off topic for this thread and in violation of TOS. (as we're only discussing PhysX here and the OP never mentioned other vendor features)

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
However, since I don't get free hardware from either company for talking them up, I say just get whichever card does better in the games you play now.

Well, I get free hardware for talking about it, and I say just buy whatever has the performance and features that you can afford in the games you want to play.

PhysX is definitely cool tech, and adds to the game considerably in terms of eye candy, and also gameplay.

As there are several games launching this upcoming year with it incorporated, the simple answer to the OP is:

PhysX has "weightage" in your decision, as you say.

 

[WelshBloke]

deleted re Keys post.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Your answer is, it won't hurt to have a graphics card that supports it. Doesn't cost you anything extra. Might as well.

One could say the same about DX10.1 and the Radeon.

However, since I don't get free hardware from either company for talking them up, I say just get whichever card does better in the games you play now.

Not much to do with the topic. Either sentence.

It has a lot to do with the discussion. Both sentences.

The first sentence I can see, only if this PhysX discussion threatens ATI for you in any way.
Ok, I'll give you that.

The second sentence? Care to elaborate on what you mean? And how it has to do with my original post? And while you're at it, can you prove that you do not receive free hardware?
Or should we just take your word on the matter.

I think his responses were on topic. First he points out how Physx is about as useless as DX10.1 at this point. Second he points out how it seems that the vast majority of the positive buzz you hear in regards to Physx (at least on these forums) is from a select group of people. Those of us who aren't paid to push Nvidia products on forums (or aren't like someone who is trying really, really hard to become a focus group member) can see past the the marketing and see that Physx brings pretty much nothing to the table right now. Will Physx be the big must have in a year? Quite possibly, but as of now it certianly isn't regardless of what the focus group and wannabe focus group members say.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

You made an erroneous post about "unsupported tech". I point out all the support for it and you dismiss it as well.

What support might that be? I?m still waiting for a proper list from you that meets the following criteria:

1. The game is fully released on the PC platform (so no demos, trailers, tech demos, or announcements).
   
2. The game provides a benefit from accelerated PhysX on nVidia?s hardware (so simply listing all PhysX titles is nonsensical given most don?t benefit from nVidia?s parts).
   
3. Hardware acceleration benefits a substantial portion of the game (so no UT3 or GRAW2 cherry-picked PhysX demo maps).

I?m still waiting for this list from any PhysX supporter, but it?s yet to materialize despite all the claims how it?s a ?must have? feature.

I get it you hate that NVIDIA has PhysX. You've done nothing but complain about the card in your sig and praise the card not in your sig. NOTHING WILL PLEASE YOU FROM NVIDIA. I'm actually surprised you bought a 260 considering how you have done nothing but bash NVIDIA over the last several years. You continue to do so today.

You might be surprised to learn that the 260+ is one of the best video cards I?ve used from nVidia. The driver maturity level is actually quite good now and I got it for a great price. I gave it a very positive review with a plethora of benchmark figures to back my claims.

But that doesn?t mean I?m going to become a PR poster boy for PhysX. Like I said, I don?t think the tech is useless (far from it), I?m simply pointing out that the games just aren?t there for it yet.

Here is a list of games already using PhysX. Hardly unsupported.

As has been pointed out already, your list is quite disingenuous.

The vast majority of games on it fail at least one of the three points I asked for above, with the main problem being most not showing a benefit from hardware acceleration with nVidia?s boards, so you gain absolutely nothing. Heck, some of the games on that list aren?t even PC games. Exactly why should I get an nVidia card to play console games?

Your list is nonsense and you know it.

I realize that no matter what get's posted it will be dismissed.

You think by posting any rubbish you?ve done your job and it?ll be uncontested? Sorry, but it doesn?t work that way. You?re making the claims about PhysX so the burden of proof is with you.