Any Black 5000+ users yet?

[perdomot]

Wanted to see if anyone has set up a rig with these and what their experiences had been.

 

[srp49ers]

Just got mine up and running last night. Upgraded from a X2 3800 to this.
I set it to 3.0 ghz right away. Gonna try pushing it more later today.

 

[Arkaign]

Decent deal for those :

Who already have an AM2 mobo
Who want to O/C
Who want a mobo with decent onboard video (ATI 690G/NV 6150/Etc), as Intel onboard video blows

Otherwise, what's the point?

 

[nOOky]

Mines running at 3.21 now, the memory is at 4 4 4 12 at 800 which is nice. No problems so far, seems plenty fast, and for the price it was a better value than switching to Intel CPU/Mobo combination as I already had a good Zalman cooler etc. and an AMD board. Definitely kicks the old FX-55's arse.

 

[j0j081]

I would say the 6000+ with 1 mb cache is a better deal for $30 more cause its 3 ghz stock and has twice the cache. maybe not much headroom but still.

 

[fk49]

i'm looking to upgrade to an athlon x2 sometime. what would be the advantage of getting the black edition over something cheap like the x2 4000 if i'm going to overclock either way?

 

[cubeless]

the black edition gives you more options... other than the multi, i gotta believe they are all the same chips...

 

[BlueAcolyte]

Black edition is 65NM and has unlocked multiplier, thats about it. AMD 65NM chips have brisbane or phenom designations

 

[Gautama2]

Also, Black Edition has the G2 stepping which supposedly (and most results point to it being true) helps you maintain stability with higher clocks and lower voltages.

 

[datwater]

Scythe Ninja + AS5 + Asus M2N-E + 5000BE

15 X 200 = 3.0Ghz @ 1.3v and 28 degrees C idle.
16 X 200 = Unstable @ 1.3v

I have not juiced it yet, gonna let it burn in awhile at 3.0ghz.

 

[Extelleron]

From what I know, you can expect 3.2GHz as a pretty easy overclock with the 5000+ BE.

3.3GHz seems to be the limit most people are hitting.

Here is Tom's review of the 5000+, they reached 3.3GHz - http://www.tomshardware.com/20...overclocker/page9.html

If you're playing games, though, you're better off going with the X2 6000+. Even with the 5000+ @ 3.3GHz, the smaller L2 cache and increased cache latency of the Brisbanes means that it actually performs slower than the stock 6000+. You can probably get 3.2GHz out of the 6000+ without issue anyway. The main advantage of the 5000+ would then be lower power consumption and heat.

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: datwater
Scythe Ninja + AS5 + Asus M2N-E + 5000BE

15 X 200 = 3.0Ghz @ 1.3v and 28 degrees C idle.
16 X 200 = Unstable @ 1.3v

I have not juiced it yet, gonna let it burn in awhile at 3.0ghz.

You have a Scythe Ninja cooler and you're only feeding it with 1.3 volts? It's a sin man! Seriously, pump more juice in it, and I'm sure you can get it much higher. I keep my 4000+ X2 brisbane at 3.0 Ghz with 1.51 V and a nice Thermalright ultra 90 and no problems at all.

 

[datwater]

Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: datwater
Scythe Ninja + AS5 + Asus M2N-E + 5000BE

15 X 200 = 3.0Ghz @ 1.3v and 28 degrees C idle.
16 X 200 = Unstable @ 1.3v

I have not juiced it yet, gonna let it burn in awhile at 3.0ghz.

You have a Scythe Ninja cooler and you're only feeding it with 1.3 volts? It's a sin man! Seriously, pump more juice in it, and I'm sure you can get it much higher. I keep my 4000+ X2 brisbane at 3.0 Ghz with 1.51 V and a nice Thermalright ultra 90 and no problems at all.

I dunno man. Here's today's results:

16X200@1.425v works but hits 50 degrees during boot.
16x200@1.40v won't get through a 1m iteration of super pi
15.5x200@1.325v won't boot.

Maybe I got a dud?

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: datwater

Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: datwater
Scythe Ninja + AS5 + Asus M2N-E + 5000BE

15 X 200 = 3.0Ghz @ 1.3v and 28 degrees C idle.
16 X 200 = Unstable @ 1.3v

I have not juiced it yet, gonna let it burn in awhile at 3.0ghz.

You have a Scythe Ninja cooler and you're only feeding it with 1.3 volts? It's a sin man! Seriously, pump more juice in it, and I'm sure you can get it much higher. I keep my 4000+ X2 brisbane at 3.0 Ghz with 1.51 V and a nice Thermalright ultra 90 and no problems at all.

I dunno man. Here's today's results:

16X200@1.425v works but hits 50 degrees during boot.
16x200@1.40v won't get through a 1m iteration of super pi
15.5x200@1.325v won't boot.

Maybe I got a dud?

I don't think you've got a dud, maybe a voltage lover. What is your temperature during orthos? Mine hits 54 C on load. If you temperature is below 60 C, give it 1.45 V, but pay close attention on the temperature. You should be cool with that ninja.

 

[datwater]

At 3.0ghz if I keep the cpu pinned at 100% I stay at 45 degrees C. I may try some more Vcore later.

 

[error8]

45 C is beautiful. It seems that it can take a lot more voltage than that. You should hit 3.2-3.3 Ghz with this baby, but if stays very hot, then maybe 3.0 Ghz is a better deal. Good luck.

 

[datwater]

thanks for your tips error8. I am running batch jobs on the machine or I would have messed around with it some more. Few more hours to go on this batch

 

[Neurodog]

I was going to get the 5000+ but my local computer shop didn't have it. So I got the 6000+ and OC to 3.3 with a budget mobo(M2A-VM)

 

[srp49ers]

I seem to be having trouble getting my cpu to respond to me changing the multi. I have a biostar tf560 and when i set it to 14 or 15 nothing
happens. anyone have any ideas.

 

[datwater]

16X @ 1.45v = 55 degrees C under load and STILL not Orthos stable. BSOD.

=/

 

[datwater]

Originally posted by: srp49ers
I seem to be having trouble getting my cpu to respond to me changing the multi. I have a biostar tf560 and when i set it to 14 or 15 nothing
happens. anyone have any ideas.

When you say nothing happens, what do you mean? Post will still say X2 5000+. In Windows you should see it at 2.8ghz or 3.0ghz etc, on the properties page.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: datwater
16X @ 1.45v = 55 degrees C under load and STILL not Orthos stable. BSOD.

=/

I think the OC result for all cpu are hyped on the Internet. People who gets high overclock like to brag about it and people who don't get high overclock rarely talk about it. Plus half of the people who brag about their high overclock probably don't even stress test it enough to make sure it's 100% stable.

My Brisbane x2 4000+ oc'ed to ~2.9ghz and I think Brisbane core on average tops out at around 3.ghz. If you get 3.2/3.3, that's very lucky. I would say 3.0ghz is an average overclock. Black 5000+ make it easy to oc with unlocked multiplier, but the cpu itself is not necessary hand picked to guarantee higher oc.

My Intel E4500 oc'ed to ~3.0ghz and people were talking about easy oc to 3.2+, so you are not the only one not able to get to the speed everyone is talking about.

 

[datwater]

Oh I know. Don't get me wrong. I'm happy to get a 3.0ghz dual core drop in upgrade for my aging X2 3800 for around $120 US.

 

[fk49]

Originally posted by: rchiu
My Brisbane x2 4000+ oc'ed to ~2.9ghz and I think Brisbane core on average tops out at around 3.ghz. If you get 3.2/3.3, that's very lucky. I would say 3.0ghz is an average overclock. Black 5000+ make it easy to oc with unlocked multiplier, but the cpu itself is not necessary hand picked to guarantee higher oc.

With that in mind, do you think the price premium of the x2 5000 would be worth it over the x2 4000 if my RAM does not seem to enjoy overclocking? If its still possible to reach ~3ghz by just raising the FSB on the x2 4000, I don't see the point of spending $60 more.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: fk49

Originally posted by: rchiu
My Brisbane x2 4000+ oc'ed to ~2.9ghz and I think Brisbane core on average tops out at around 3.ghz. If you get 3.2/3.3, that's very lucky. I would say 3.0ghz is an average overclock. Black 5000+ make it easy to oc with unlocked multiplier, but the cpu itself is not necessary hand picked to guarantee higher oc.

With that in mind, do you think the price premium of the x2 5000 would be worth it over the x2 4000 if my RAM does not seem to enjoy overclocking? If its still possible to reach ~3ghz by just raising the FSB on the x2 4000, I don't see the point of spending $60 more.

Possible to reach ~3ghz? Yes, but I'd say it's probably 40/60. And with x2 4000, your mobo and memory will need to play nice with your oc as well. If you don't have good memory and good mobo, and you HAVE TO get to around 3.0, I'd say the $60 is worth it. But if you can live with 2.7~3.0 and everything in between, the x2 4000 is pretty good for the money. In my case, I have good RAM and decent oc mobo, and I decided to go cheap with CPU, so I went with the 4000.