Any advantage to (adding) an RX460, for a G3900 rig with 8GB RAM?

[VirtualLarry]

Just wondering. I just threw together a list of parts and ordered what I needed, except for a GPU.

(Edit: Updated with prices)
$47 Intel G3920 Celeron CPU (2.9Ghz, I think?)
$34 2x4GB DDR4-2133
$65 Asus H110/M.2 board
$110 Intel 600p 256GB M.2 NVMe SSD
$23 Rosewill Micro-ATX case w/USB3.0
$40 Thermaltake TR2-430 PSU
$145 Sapphire Nitro 4GB GDDR5 RX 460
total: $464

Has one PCI-E 6-pin available.

Use case not yet determined. Would a G3900 play any games? This rig, in contrast to some of my others that I've mentioned, is not overclocked.

Wondering if an RX460 would be the cherry on top, or whether the CPU is just far too slow for any acceptable performance in apps / games that might want a dGPU? Should I skip the dGPU and stick with the onboard?

 

[TheELF]

Due to extremely bad porting a very small number of games will not even start on dual cores,I only know FarCry4 and now Fifa17 (both startup and play nicely with the extreme injector)
and a somewhat larger number of games have extreme stutter if there is no bottleneck from the GPU,for 1080p the 460 is not powerful enough to cause it.
So yes the celeron will be able to run almost any game with the 460.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Would it be worthwhile getting a 4GB model, or would a 2GB model be sufficient?

I just saw a 4GB 750ti on Newegg's homepage, so maybe 4GB would be best?

 

[whm1974]

Lat time I looked at the Rx 460 at Newegg, the 4 GB models wasn't that much more then the 2 GB ones. So I would go ahead and get 4 GB.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I'd also get the 4GB one.

If you're playing games with a low end rig, you're probably shopping Steam Sales, so you're talking games in the 2011-2013 range. Say, Skrim, which can also use >2GB VRAM with mods and high-res texture packs. Civ V and its expansions/iterations (Alpha Centuari) are also pretty dependent on single-core performance and would work fine on that CPU. A lot of slightly older F2P games like MechWarrior Online, World of Tanks, etc., would also be good candidates.

Not Far Cry 4, Witcher III, or the latest AAA FPS.

The games mentioned above - and a crapton of others of the same vintage - will work fine on the dual core, but at 1080p, you'll want that dGPU.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Thanks Dave, and others!

Ok, so 4GB RX 460 it is. Which model is best?

XFX dual-fan
Sapphire Nitro
Asus STRIX
Gigabyte WindForce
?

Edit: I ordered the Nitro. I liked the 50Mhz factory core OC, as well as the dual ball-bearing fans. I had some Gigabyte WindForce GTX460 cards, and the fans failed in like 2-3 years. Hopefully the fans on this card will last longer.

 

[ConsoleLover]

Literally a GT 640 would be 2x better than igpu. The RX 460 4GB would blow any igpu out of the water. Its going to be good enough for gaming at 720p with max settings on games up till 2015, probably 1080p with mix of high and medium settings of games up till 2014.

Most games from 2015 and upward use more than 2gb of ram, though at 1080p or less, less so. So 4GB is kind of future proofing in a way, sure your games are going to be gpu bound, but that extra memory can help ease things up in some cases.

Personally the Sapphire Nitro is the best of your options, heard bad things about the xfx cards.

 

[dark zero]

Would it be worthwhile getting a 4GB model, or would a 2GB model be sufficient?

I just saw a 4GB 750ti on Newegg's homepage, so maybe 4GB would be best?

4GB one. 2GB is recomended with the Core 2 Quads or Phenom II X2/X4 or even the Athlon 5350.

Heck even the Apollo Lakes would LOVE the 2/4 GB version of the Rx 460

 

[Bacon1]

http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/rx-460-4gb-vs-2gb-vram-benchmark-is-more-better/

Prices between 2gb and 4gb are within $10 right now, so might as well take the 4GB. If the pricing was more than that I'd say it's a tossup.

Enjoy the new Nitro

 

[VirtualLarry]

Prices between 2gb and 4gb are within $10 right now, so might as well take the 4GB. If the pricing was more than that I'd say it's a tossup.

It was actually like $30 more, for a 4GB Nitro, than the cheaper PowerColor 2GB.

Spending 20% more now, to enjoy almost no performance advantage simply doesn’t make sense to me. I can’t imagine the logic behind spending at least $30 more on what would otherwise be a $110 graphics card to gain potentially nothing. Put that $30 in the bank, it will come in handy in a year or two’s time for that next GPU upgrade.

 

[frozentundra123456]

It was actually like $30 more, for a 4GB Nitro, than the cheaper PowerColor 2GB.

Yea, last time I looked the price difference was 20 or 30 dollars. The 460 only makes sense to me at 100 dollars or slightly over, which will limit you to a 2gb card, which to me is fine for such a cut down card with a weak cpu. At 130 to 140 dollars for the 4gb version a 470 is a much better value. Also for a dual core cpu, a GTX 950 is a good choice if you can find one on close out for around a hundred dollars.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Would this box be a better all-around gaming box, if I put in an i3-6100? Or is the RX 460 too limiting for AAA 2015-2016 titles regardless of CPU?

I do have an i3-6100 in a HTPC box that I could take out and drop into this one, and put the G3920 into the HTPC. Thing is, it's an ITX box, and the reason I put the i3 into it in the first place, was to take advantage of the HD 530 iGPU.

 

[AtenRa]

Would this box be a better all-around gaming box, if I put in an i3-6100? Or is the RX 460 too limiting for AAA 2015-2016 titles regardless of CPU?

I do have an i3-6100 in a HTPC box that I could take out and drop into this one, and put the G3920 into the HTPC. Thing is, it's an ITX box, and the reason I put the i3 into it in the first place, was to take advantage of the HD 530 iGPU.

i3-6100 + 4GB RX460 will be fine for every game even latest 2016. You will just have to adjust the game settings depending on the game.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Yea, last time I looked the price difference was 20 or 30 dollars. The 460 only makes sense to me at 100 dollars or slightly over, which will limit you to a 2gb card, which to me is fine for such a cut down card with a weak cpu. At 130 to 140 dollars for the 4gb version a 470 is a much better value. Also for a dual core cpu, a GTX 950 is a good choice if you can find one on close out for around a hundred dollars.

According to you
Newer tech is a plus
Low power consumption is another
and last time around paying $150 for a 750TI was ok

The cheapest 260x 2gb that I saw on new egg was 140.00, not 130, and most were 150.00. Plus in this performance range, it is debatable how much difference 2gb of vram makes.

Mainly though, the 750ti is new tech, and new tech is generally expensive far a time. When you think about it, getting the performance of a 7790 without a six pin connector is amazing. Pretty much any OEM off the shelf system with a 300 watt power supply can be turned into a decent gaming rig by just adding this card. Where it should really shine though is in mobile, and could be amazing when 20 nm versions come out.

I agree though that if you have a good power supply, the 260x is a better value, but if one keeps the card a few years, the difference in power usage would mitigate the higher initial cost.

So I see it as somewhat overpriced, but not outrageous.

It's amazing how your stance changes when the brand does too

 

[Gikaseixas]

Larry enjoy the RX460, it's appropriately priced specially since it packs 4GB

It would be a good match with a i3 6100 for 1080p or lower and MOBA gaming

 

[frozentundra123456]

According to you
Newer tech is a plus
Low power consumption is another
and last time around paying $150 for a 750TI was ok



It's amazing how your stance changes when the brand does too

Wow, was it really worth it to spend all that time looking up my previous posts just to try to make me look bad? In any case, there is no contradiction (or even relevance really) between what I said then and the post you are trying so hard to discredit. I stand by what I said. The RX 460 is simply too cut down (about half the performance) to be worth more than the low hundred dollar range compared to an RX470 which is available on Newegg for 180.00 last time I checked. In fact, based on that price, the 460 should be a hundred dollars max, but I was giving it a bit of headroom just because it (or at least some models) dont require a 6 pin connector. Even then though, the low power usage is more a function of the card being cut down, rather than Polaris being particularly efficient for a new generation product.

 

[guskline]

VirtualLarry, recently I paired a Sapphire Nitro OC 4G RX 460 with an Asus Z170 A mb, 6700k (already had it) 16g DDR4-3200 and an Intel 660 256g ssd (m.2 2280) for my daughter and son-in-law. Their comments were WOW, what a fast machine.

I was especially impressed with how nice the video card was at this price point.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Wow, was it really worth it to spend all that time looking up my previous posts just to try to make me look bad? In any case, there is no contradiction (or even relevance really) between what I said then and the post you are trying so hard to discredit. I stand by what I said. The RX 460 is simply too cut down (about half the performance) to be worth more than the low hundred dollar range compared to an RX470 which is available on Newegg for 180.00 last time I checked. In fact, based on that price, the 460 should be a hundred dollars max, but I was giving it a bit of headroom just because it (or at least some models) dont require a 6 pin connector. Even then though, the low power usage is more a function of the card being cut down, rather than Polaris being particularly efficient for a new generation product.

If you look down the page you reading now, there's similar threads section and i saw one that mentioned 750ti

RX460 is a fine card for 1080p if you're willing to give up all the whistle and bells. Your bias speaks for itself and it's all there for folks to see.

 

[happy medium]

larry, I wonder why you don't wait for the gtx1050 (ti) coming in a few weeks.
Worst case you might get a 460 cheaper. Or mabe you can pick up a faster lower powered 1050 for a bit more. A i3 6100 is a much better gaming cpu that the Celeron.

Why not a Z170 for $25 more? You don't need a M.2 ssd.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157680

You can save the $25 by buying a regular 256gb ssd drive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211864

I can tell you that a 460 is not fast enough to use 3gb of Vram and surely won't use 4gb before it falls flat on its face framerate wise.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3174342/2gb-4gb-460-1080-gaming.html
http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/rx-460-4gb-vs-2gb-vram-benchmark-is-more-better/

and you can grab a 460 2gb for 85$ AR and promo.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131695&ignorebbr=1

Use the money you saved on the 4gb gpu for 16gb of 2400 memory for only $60 after promo code.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226601

A z170 motherboard i3 6100, and 16gb of ram gives you a great foundation to upgrade.
Just add faster video cards, so far the i3 6100 is running games fine.

 

[vissarix]

An rx460 at $145 is garbage...absolutely avoid that turtle, also your spending to much on a ssd and so little on the cpu side, get an i5 6400 a cheaper ssd and a used gpu for $100 you can find better gpu's then the rx460.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

Would this box be a better all-around gaming box, if I put in an i3-6100? Or is the RX 460 too limiting for AAA 2015-2016 titles regardless of CPU?

I do have an i3-6100 in a HTPC box that I could take out and drop into this one, and put the G3920 into the HTPC. Thing is, it's an ITX box, and the reason I put the i3 into it in the first place, was to take advantage of the HD 530 iGPU.

VL your ADD is showing. If you want to build a box pick a budget and a task. Stick to it. Otherwise you get a bunch of wild speculation.

 

[AtenRa]

An rx460 at $145 is garbage...absolutely avoid that turtle,

Agreed, better go for RX 460 4GB at $115 AR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131698

Edit: This one is PCIe only, no 6-pin

 

[vissarix]

Agreed, better go for RX 460 4GB at $115 AR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131698

Edit: This one is PCIe only, no 6-pin

this sounds like a better deal to me at $90 AR

plus

Free game: Dead by Daylight or Hard Reset Redux

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126100&cm_re=gtx950-_-14-126-100-_-Product

 

[happy medium]

this sounds like a better deal to me at $90 AR

plus

Free game: Dead by Daylight or Hard Reset Redux

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126100&cm_re=gtx950-_-14-126-100-_-Product

wow that is a good deal, and a gtx950 with no power connector will overclock 20% easy,
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_950/26.html

 

[krumme]

And the 460 doesnt oc? And perhaps play new titles? And perhaps the new features needed? Whatever it takes...