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everman

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Originally posted by: dxkj
I do think it is funny when people say " yeah right, like the world would unite under some figure and religion"...

Can you imagine if someone with supernatural powers existed in our world. Billions would flock to them.... especially if they werent shy about proving their powers.

You don't even need to display supernatural powers. Just give free T-Shirts out to everyone and you win. Nobody can resist a free T-Shirt!
 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: 1prophet

The world is looking for a saviour, imagine someone with supernatural powers, able to bring peace to the middle east, feed the hungry, how can anyone dare accuse him of being the Antichrist?;)

Here is an example: Maitreya

Remember one thing, we can go back and forth all day long with scripture and looking for proof, but how many do you think won't believe someone who can't be killed, able to feed them ,have supernatural magical powers and uses them at will to prove he is the messiah and preaches peace because through peace he will destroy many as is quoted in Daniel?

But you're still looking at this as though there is one single *the* antichrist, and there is not evidence of such a person. Granted, there will be people performing miracles through the power given them by Satan that will convince many. However, these events, similar to those in the court of Pharoah, will not be able to stand before the power of God. It will then be up to the people to learn to understand the difference.

This is exactly why I have told people before, if you're looking for a sign or proof that God is God, you're not going to be able to discern the difference between those of God and those not of God. You must have that understanding prior to such events.

Did you click the link?
Maitreya, the World Teacher, has not come alone, but with a group of wise Teachers who have long guided humanity from behind the scenes

What will you do when one of his agents seduces your Mormon church, will you be able to say no?
 

So

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1. The antrichrist was a metaphor for emperor Nero
2. If it WERE real, there's nothing we could do anyway, since 'our fate' would have already been decided, so don't waste your time.
3. Think back to the 90's -- there used to be the same shows on cable about the antichrist, except back then they said it was Saddam hussein instead of Osama Bin Laden.
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: 1prophet

The world is looking for a saviour, imagine someone with supernatural powers, able to bring peace to the middle east, feed the hungry, how can anyone dare accuse him of being the Antichrist?;)

Here is an example: Maitreya

Remember one thing, we can go back and forth all day long with scripture and looking for proof, but how many do you think won't believe someone who can't be killed, able to feed them ,have supernatural magical powers and uses them at will to prove he is the messiah and preaches peace because through peace he will destroy many as is quoted in Daniel?

But you're still looking at this as though there is one single *the* antichrist, and there is not evidence of such a person. Granted, there will be people performing miracles through the power given them by Satan that will convince many. However, these events, similar to those in the court of Pharoah, will not be able to stand before the power of God. It will then be up to the people to learn to understand the difference.

This is exactly why I have told people before, if you're looking for a sign or proof that God is God, you're not going to be able to discern the difference between those of God and those not of God. You must have that understanding prior to such events.

Did you click the link?
Maitreya, the World Teacher, has not come alone, but with a group of wise Teachers who have long guided humanity from behind the scenes

What will you do when one of his agents seduces your Mormon church, will you be able to say no?

Mormons are not Christians, and the book of Mormon is as religious (not Christian) as it gets. So my guess (this is only my guess) would be no. There are are probably some people (besides the sealed Jews) during the end times who will resist the Antichrist, but not many.And yes, the book of Revelation and Daniel clearly states that there will be a Antichrist at the end who will try to take over the world. Yes, there are and were, and will be many antichrists, but the antichrist will only be in prominence during the great tribulation. The Bible is clear on this. And people should stop trying to accuse others of being the Antichrist and start preaching the gospel to people around the world.

I'm dissappointed by all the fake Christians and televangelists who go around predicting when the end of days will come and who are obsessed with prophecy. Yes, prophecy is important, but preaching Christ takes precedence, and understanding the book of Revelation and Daniel takes deep knowledge of the OT and other parts of the NT. Everyone just wants to sensationalize the Bible (which is exciting enough if you read as it is), and unfortunately there are a lot of people just trying to profit off of it as well (Joel Osteen, T.D. Jakes, half of those TBN people, several BET preachers, etc).
 

latino666

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Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Lol i can just imagine Jesus throwing flameballs at the Antichrist as he defeats him like a Dragonball Z episode or something.

Especially since God is all powerful and could wipe out the AC in a blink.......but God does like drama and he has to fill hell up somehow...

You know Zim would make a thread about it too. Kind of like his 24 threads with a warning to people that read the bible to not post spoilers. :p
 

TheAudit

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: The Godfather
I was telling some Priest online who was trying to convinse me into becomming uber religious, that i dont believe the literal context of his teachings, and he said "You're cursed, Ceise this!" I laughed, what if i am ?

Online priest :roll: I will save your soul.... in PDF Format!

LOL
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: glen
AntiChrist really means not Christ.
This is different than how most folks now think it means a literal entity fighting against Christ. This is a new understandign contrary to how the term was originally used.

Well, as I said before, the Bible refers only to the "spirit of antichrist", not to some actual individual being. As far as I know, there has never been anything to suggest that any one person would rise up as *the* antichrist and that people all over would follow him. As for people all over following the *spirit* of antichrist, I think most people would agree that that can be seen today all around the world.

So I agree. I think people have confused the spirit of antichrist with an actual being.

Regardless, there won't be any confusion about the persecution I'm going to lay on you guys.
 

Ausm

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My stepmother who is a holyroller(total hypocrite too) claimed I was the anitchrist.


Ausm
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: 1prophet

Did you click the link?
Maitreya, the World Teacher, has not come alone, but with a group of wise Teachers who have long guided humanity from behind the scenes

What will you do when one of his agents seduces your Mormon church, will you be able to say no?

Yes, I clicked on the link, and yes, I read the information presented. As for one of his agents seducing the Mormon church, it won't happen. The Mormon church is lead by a Prophet of God, with 12 Apostles, just as Christ's original church was. They hold the authority of God, or Priesthood, just as the original Apostles did. That priesthood give them the ability to receive revelation directly from heaven, as it gives to all who hold this priesthood (currently consisting of all worthy males over the age of 18). For these people to seduce our church, they would have to seduce the majority of the Council of the Twelve, as well as the Prophet of the church. Not going to happen.

As for Maitreya himself, anyone with a good understanding of the events preceeding the 2nd Coming of Christ would know that not all of the sign have been fulfilled, therefore Christ could not have come yet. Therefore, Maitreya could not be Christ as the tribe in Kenya believed. Personally, I wish him luck with what he's doing. I didn't see anywhere that he claims to be Christ, but that he simply wants the world to be a better place. If he should start proclaiming himself as the returned Christ, then I might have issues with the man.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Crono

Mormons are not Christians, and the book of Mormon is as religious (not Christian) as it gets. So my guess (this is only my guess) would be no
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What exactly does that mean, the book of Mormon is a s religious (not Christian) as it gets?

There are are probably some people (besides the sealed Jews) during the end times who will resist the Antichrist, but not many.And yes, the book of Revelation and Daniel clearly states that there will be a Antichrist at the end who will try to take over the world. Yes, there are and were, and will be many antichrists, but the antichrist will only be in prominence during the great tribulation. The Bible is clear on this. And people should stop trying to accuse others of being the Antichrist and start preaching the gospel to people around the world.

I dare say there will be many that will fight against the armies of Satan. As for *the* antichrist, still waiting for a scripture that states anything to the effect. We've already been over the Daniel and Revelations scriptures.

I'm dissappointed by all the fake Christians and televangelists who go around predicting when the end of days will come and who are obsessed with prophecy. Yes, prophecy is important, but preaching Christ takes precedence, and understanding the book of Revelation and Daniel takes deep knowledge of the OT and other parts of the NT.

The world prophet comes for the greek meaning "forth" not "fore". Therefore, a prophet is one who brings *forth* knowledge, not *fore* knowledge. There is a difference between a prophet and a revelator. A prophet teaches of Christ. A revelator, or seer, is one who sees past and future events. I would expect any man who proclaims himself a prophet to understand and know the difference. If he doesn't, then one can be assured he is no prophet of God.

Everyone just wants to sensationalize the Bible (which is exciting enough if you read as it is), and unfortunately there are a lot of people just trying to profit off of it as well (Joel Osteen, T.D. Jakes, half of those TBN people, several BET preachers, etc).

I would agree, and it is very sad.
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: The Godfather
Its funny how people take the Bible so literal, every single thing illustrated and described is to be taken as real people/events instead of the moral lesson behind it. I would expect such ignorance from the average peasant back in time, but never would i have thought of this to be occuring in the 21st century.

Are you Catholic like me?
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: Raincity
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Raincity
I dont know who he is but I beleive he is on the earth now and ready to take power soon. The building of the new temple in Israel right now is very disturbing.

Soon? Meaning the world will be evangelized and combined into 1 superpower, thats kind of hard to believe.


Soon as within ten years.

When are you "the end of the world is upon us" people going to learn...............

No no, it's really going to happen this time! :D :D :D

Didn't the Mormons build a house in preparation for Elijah? Then they gave some kind of crap that their calculations were wrong.

Come one people. If you read the WHOLE Bible, you're realize that Jesus said, "You know not the day nor the hour." He had multiple parables about it coming "like a theif in the night."
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Lol i can just imagine Jesus throwing flameballs at the Antichrist as he defeats him like a Dragonball Z episode or something.

Especially since God is all powerful and could wipe out the AC in a blink.......but God does like drama and he has to fill hell up somehow...

It's been the biggest mystery to me why God lets evil exist, but I think I figured it out. God lets evil exist because it allows even more goodness to flourish. God keeps the black clouds around just for their silver linings.
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: TheChort
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Lol i can just imagine Jesus throwing flameballs at the Antichrist as he defeats him like a Dragonball Z episode or something.

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kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: The Godfather
I was telling some Priest online who was trying to convinse me into becomming uber religious, that i dont believe the literal context of his teachings, and he said "You're cursed, Ceise this!" I laughed, what if i am ?

Online priest :roll: I will save your soul.... in PDF Format!

Lmao, no he was a priest that got online to play Empire Earth 2 with us.


ooh ok, sorry your post made it sound like it was some sort of internet church or something.

Any Tom, Dick, and Harry can become a preacher these days by signing up on a certain website. I lost the link.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Didn't the Mormons build a house in preparation for Elijah? Then they gave some kind of crap that their calculations were wrong.

Umm, not that I'm aware of.

Come one people. If you read the WHOLE Bible, you're realize that Jesus said, "You know not the day nor the hour." He had multiple parables about it coming "like a theif in the night."

Amen to that.
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: The Godfather
No it is the non believers that go to hell supposedly, and Jesus takes the believers to heaven for 1000 years of peace and perfection. (After the defeat of the AC )

Well there's a period after the boss takes over and unifies the world in which he says it's cool if we persecute and ridicule the Christians. Scholars predict that we'll get to do that for about 3.5 years before JC shows to put an end to the party.

What do scholars know? They're just human like us. This sh¡t isn't written in books. It's not for us to know.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

It's been the biggest mystery to me why God lets evil exist, but I think I figured it out. God lets evil exist because it allows even more goodness to flourish. God keeps the black clouds around just for their silver linings.

How could good exist without evil? If you never knew what was right, you'd never know what was wrong.
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: The Godfather
What are your thoughts on this and the Book of Revelations? I just want to hear some opinions.

As for "the" antichrist, I don't recall there being any mention of a single, main AntiChrist in the Bible. I remember "spirit of antichrist", but not "the antichrist".

As for the book of revelations, I consider it to be a fascinating book that provides a great deal of understanding, once you can understand the symbolism behind it.

badass screenname, by the way

Yeah, I especially like the numerology. If you actually picture beasts with so many heads, it distracts you from reading INTO it. Numbers like 7 and 40 symbolize good things, but numbers like 5 and 6 are usually bad.
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: glen
AntiChrist really means not Christ.
This is different than how most folks now think it means a literal entity fighting against Christ. This is a new understandign contrary to how the term was originally used.

"Anti" implies equal and opposite, but even though there might be an opposite, there certainly is no equal.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

badass screenname, by the way

Why thank you. I like it.

Yeah, I especially like the numerology. If you actually picture beasts with so many heads, it distracts you from reading INTO it. Numbers like 7 and 40 symbolize good things, but numbers like 5 and 6 are usually bad.

That is the real danger behind the idea of the *one* antichrist. If Satan can get you stuck on the idea of there only being one main antichrist, he can hit you with 4 or 5 others that might deceive you.

As for the numbers, oh yeah, big symbolism. The number 7 has the symbolism of completeness, fulfillment, so 6 become an utter lack of fulfillment of completeness. So, mark of the beast. There are 3 beast, dragon, sea beast, and land beast. Each completely lacking if completeness. A 6 for each gives 666.

I don't know if that's the meaning or anything, who knows? Could just be a coincidence.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
Originally posted by: glen
AntiChrist really means not Christ.
This is different than how most folks now think it means a literal entity fighting against Christ. This is a new understandign contrary to how the term was originally used.

"Anti" implies equal and opposite, but even though there might be an opposite, there certainly is no equal.

I think there is wisdom there though. Antichrists will appear to have powers *equal* to Christ himself, but will be using them for the exact opposite reason, in opposition really. Definitely interesting.
 

mattlear

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Originally posted by: RCN

Oooops....forgot that there is a scarier revelation but it provides an out after damnation.......that didn't fly with the early church

Do you have a link? Sounds like an interesting read.

There's alot of stuff on the news about the Gospel according to Judas right now. Seems like they found a manuscript from 300AD. IT apparently wasnt included because it didn't jive with what the people in power believed.

-Matt