Do you have any substance to any posts , or do you just troll threads and randomly blurt out shit? I haven't seen you do any of the former so the latter must be true.
Do you have any substance to any posts , or do you just troll threads and randomly blurt out shit? I haven't seen you do any of the former so the latter must be true.
TastesLikeChicken
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If I only had half a brain we'd be on equal footing. Too bad for you that I have a whole one.
Those "facts" from 2006 are NOT representative of what's happening in Iraq today. Does someone have to spell that out for you or do you really have to continue playing the fool about it?
You're just plain delusional.
blackangst1
Lifer
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He berates? LOL /wave kettle! Lets see, from this last few posts...
point out your stupidity in thinking and error in judgment
until you cut and run
This is your tactic.
Coward. What a sad little man you are.
if you had half a brain
Do you have some mental disability
Can you read? Follow points?
hahahaha what a tool
If I only had half a brain, and you have a full one, why is it I can follow the discussion and you can't?
Those facts may not be the exact living conditions of Iraq today, I'll give you that. But it does show living conditions during the U.S. invasion. Your attempt at discrediting that lady shows you have no argument.
The feeling is mutual.
blackangst1
Lifer
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Well, thats some people's goal. Not everyone's. Especially not those who control the troops: the senate.
Laugh away. Laughing doesn't change the truth. Deal with it.
The "stupidity" word may have been uncalled for, granted.
Not berating, thats the truth.
Neither is this. Truth.
Agreed, this is berating.
Agreed again.
You left out the question mark on the first one. These are questions, not berating.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
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If you had a whole brain you'd have figured that out already and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Once again, I was not discrediting the lady, I was discrediting your argument. She had a point back in 2006. If it were 2006 you might even have a point. It's not. In case you haven't been informed...it's now 2008.
I understand. That's part of your delusion.
JD50
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So I guess you are voting for either Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich? If not, you are "supporting" this war just as much as Corbett is. Spouting a bunch of America hating bullshit and slandering our troops on a internet message board doesn't do a thing to stop the war right away.
I did figure it out, you clearly have no argument.
You insinuated that her case of living conditions in Iraq were not valid because she was an anti-war activist. Since the only facts that have been shown in this thread about living conditions in Iraq were in that video, how about you show facts as to how they are better? Do you have any facts of how they are living? Or just your statements alone?
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
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Says the guy using arguments from 2006.
I already addressed this previously. I did not discredit her, only you. You yourself haven't presented any facts. You've only linked to a misleading Ron Paul video and have vainly tried to argue it it while getting severely thumped in the process.
Tend to your bruises and come back when you have something better to fling.
blackangst1
Lifer
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I understand. AFAIK you can find a "study" from a "reputable" source for just about any opinion you have. It happens everywhere, including this board. On one subject, for example, a Fox poll is laughed off, while an MSNBC poll is touted as worthy. Or, one week, a CNN poll is gospel, the next CNN is full of shit.
As far as leaving Iraq...not for decades. Anyone who thinks otherwise is...well...a fool. Are we still in Japan? SE Asia?? Germany? Huh. Imagine that.
I provided the only facts as to what life is like in Iraq in this thread. Where are your facts regarding living conditions in Iraq? Do you have any facts? Or just your statements alone?
EDIT: And you did try to discredit her. You insinuated that her case of living conditions in Iraq were not valid because she was an anti-war activist.
I didn't dispute that Soros paid for it which is what your "relevant passage" discusses. I disputed the fact that the other report contradicts it, which it doesn't. They are 2 different numbers from looking at 2 different things.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
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You provided facts of what life in Iraq was like in 2006. Are you truly so ignorant that I have to explain that to you again, and again, and again in this thread?
Please quit before you show your ignorance any more.
I have already conceded it was in 2006, so your the one who is ignorant. Those are the only facts we have to go off of at this time, until you give some facts to the contrary. Where are your facts regarding living conditions in Iraq? Do you have any facts? Or just your statements alone?
Well if we were to go by your line of reasoning, couldnt we just post "facts" of Iraq being a safe country 50 years ago and claim that means Iraq is safe today?
No, because my facts are more current. Nice try though. Lets stay on topic. Would you happen to have those elusive facts of the living conditions in Iraq?
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
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It's your contention that Iraq is just as bad as in 2006 according to the link you posted. Therefore you're the one required to provide the facts of the matter.
If you don't already know that the current conditions in Iraq have improved from 2006 then why are you even arguing this point in the first place? You should be reading instead.
Where are your facts regarding living conditions in Iraq? Do you have any facts? Or just your statements alone?
Ozoned
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It's easy to count dead people, it only takes a finger and a piece of paper, or maybe some minor statistical cross section counting. It is immpossible to count the ones that you saved. That takes a little help from the media (good news), and a lot of faith. In this country, that doesn't sell.
Your study is bogus compairing violent deaths to excess deaths. 650,000 should be considered a conservative number.
WOW! Just WOW!
OK people,
First off, living conditions (except in Baghdad) aren't worse off now than under Saddam. The Coalition didn't destroy major infrastructure. Medical services are just as good if not better in ALL the outlying provinces. In the Northern provinces, medical care is as good/better across the board, especially so in the outlying districts. Refugees and IDP's are moving back at an alarming rate for us, and that in itself is causing issues.
Additionally, power is present virtually everywhere as opposed to under Saddam power was primarily for govt. facilities and Baghdad. Since I arrived here (14 months ago and counting), we have worked on rebuilding places that were unused since the 70's! Apparently Saddam had an issue with education..... we have worked on myriads of
Schools taken over as Courts, police stations that were schools, Correctional facilities that were schools, and Army outposts that were...schools.
Hospitals that were empty and unused were fairly common to encounter. Crime Labs with skeleton crews and zero funding since the early 90's, and infrastructure projects poorly built and maintained. We've dealt with high stay at home rates from Police to sanitation workers not wanting to go to work (but still getting paid) for years on end.
I can go on, but first-hand accounts are worthless when most people are making up facts to suit their agenda.
Conditions are improving every year, and have been since 2003 according to the pass-down logs. Once again the pass-down logs list all failures successes and trends of the people before me from a first-hand account with data to back it, but that is irrelevant when internet sites and studies make up stuff for agendas.
You want to know exactly what's going on? Ask someone actually in theater (outside of Baghdad) that works for DOS, DOJ, USAID, any IZ PRT, the Dept of State, CPATT or MPRI and you'll get the skinny. Otherwise, can go to your favorite website and read crap.
Edited for my usually poor typing skills
OK people,
First off, living conditions (except in Baghdad) aren't worse off now than under Saddam. The Coalition didn't destroy major infrastructure. Medical services are just as good if not better in ALL the outlying provinces. In the Northern provinces, medical care is as good/better across the board, especially so in the outlying districts. Refugees and IDP's are moving back at an alarming rate for us, and that in itself is causing issues.
Additionally, power is present virtually everywhere as opposed to under Saddam power was primarily for govt. facilities and Baghdad. Since I arrived here (14 months ago and counting), we have worked on rebuilding places that were unused since the 70's! Apparently Saddam had an issue with education..... we have worked on myriads of
Schools taken over as Courts, police stations that were schools, Correctional facilities that were schools, and Army outposts that were...schools.
Hospitals that were empty and unused were fairly common to encounter. Crime Labs with skeleton crews and zero funding since the early 90's, and infrastructure projects poorly built and maintained. We've dealt with high stay at home rates from Police to sanitation workers not wanting to go to work (but still getting paid) for years on end.
I can go on, but first-hand accounts are worthless when most people are making up facts to suit their agenda.
Conditions are improving every year, and have been since 2003 according to the pass-down logs. Once again the pass-down logs list all failures successes and trends of the people before me from a first-hand account with data to back it, but that is irrelevant when internet sites and studies make up stuff for agendas.
You want to know exactly what's going on? Ask someone actually in theater (outside of Baghdad) that works for DOS, DOJ, USAID, any IZ PRT, the Dept of State, CPATT or MPRI and you'll get the skinny. Otherwise, can go to your favorite website and read crap.
Edited for my usually poor typing skills
When you go to war, regardless of reasons, you utilize every resource available. We should have thrown in a 1+ million troops, take advantage of the somewhat supportive allies to the highest degree (Israel, Britain, and France), and then completely destroy areas that pose threats that would otherwise take lengthy campaigns to subdue.
Then, you fix the all the problems. That's how war is won.
People try to apply ethics and morals and standards to combat, when it just isn't compatible. That's war, and it sucks. It sucks a lot.
Iraq would have gone a lot better had the United States followed these rules. Instead, they nickel and dimmed the soldiers, talked stupid and completely poisoned any support both native and international by asinine excuses and attempts to persuade citizen through mob mentalities.
Suspend consideration for the public eye, and get the job done. Black and white yes, but still true.
You can't win a war with semantics and poorly constructed speeches.
Then, you fix the all the problems. That's how war is won.
People try to apply ethics and morals and standards to combat, when it just isn't compatible. That's war, and it sucks. It sucks a lot.
Iraq would have gone a lot better had the United States followed these rules. Instead, they nickel and dimmed the soldiers, talked stupid and completely poisoned any support both native and international by asinine excuses and attempts to persuade citizen through mob mentalities.
Suspend consideration for the public eye, and get the job done. Black and white yes, but still true.
You can't win a war with semantics and poorly constructed speeches.
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