Anti trump protesters, hurling rocks at vehicles,etc.. special poll inside.

[LegendKiller]

Trump: I really want to punch him in the face.

Trump: We should be violent!

Trump: I'll pay your legal bills if you need anything.


Are you just going to blindly believe that only liberals are violent?

Saying something and acting on it are two different things. Furthermore the trump incidents have been isolated. Liberal incidents, not so much.

 

[PokerGuy]

so in your world, racism and hate should be tolerated, i can disagree with racism and hate, but i still have to tolerate them.

In fact, yes, that is correct. Everyone has the right to their opinion. Even the KKK has the right to hold rallies. You can't have a free society if people are not entitled to their ideas and speech -- no matter how repugnant. Why is this concept so hard for dumb people to understand?

if the government took that stance, businesses could discriminate against whoever they want and we would have no civil and equal rights.

Baloney. Views and speech are not the same as actions. To have a free society you MUST accept that people have the right to the former, but society can limit the latter.

that makes me intolerant. do you really not see the problem here?

Yes, the problem is that you are just as hateful and intolerant as those you accuse of hateful intolerance.

 

[LegendKiller]

so in your world, racism and hate should be tolerated, i can disagree with racism and hate, but i still have to tolerate them. if the government took that stance, businesses could discriminate against whoever they want and we would have no civil and equal rights.

sorry, but racism and hate aren't acceptable and no one should just tolerate them. in your eyes, that makes me intolerant. do you really not see the problem here?

Yes. That is called person freedom. You knoe, what this country was founded on.

Regressives want to squelch individual freedom to force conformity, accepting the lowest common denominator.

I know it just pisses you off that others have feeedom.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Ah gotta love my hometown. I was actually thinking of going to check it out.

 

[Darwin333]

We already know Trump voters are violent. We've only seen them attack protesters so many bazillion times and here you are trying to convince people that Trump is a nice guy and the protesters are nuts.

It doesn't work on anyone besides the conservaterrorist base.. just like the planned parenthood videos.

I think it's fair to conclude that these people are Democrat supporters, so can we now also say that "We now know that Democrat supporters are violent, perhaps more so than Trump supporters"? I haven't seen anywhere near this level of violence from Trump supporters.


Disclaimer: Not a Trump supporter.

 

[LegendKiller]

Wait, you actually think that nonsense is right? Sigh. Take a second and think about the incredibly dumb outcomes from that idea. No one wants everyone to be tolerant of everything, they want people to dispense with irrational intolerance.

I'm perfectly fine with anyone holding any opinion they want, but what conservatives actually want is not just freedom of opinion but freedom from consequences for that opinion. That one they don't get, haha.



The percentage of liberals who violently oppose him is vanishingly small, much like how you pointed out that the percentage of his supporters that condone violence is very small. Trump does actively condone violence however, which is his real failing. Not sure why you can see one side but not the other.

What is irrational intolerance? You are not the arbiter of rationality, you're some asshole who has a smug idea of what you think is right, period. If they aren't infringing upon your rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, who gives a fuck what they think?

But no, liberals want to control everybody and force them to think what they think.

Are they? We see liberals dispense this shit all of the time. Mizzou? Ferguson? BLM? Jamar Clark? We can go on and on and on.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The best-laid plans of mice and men....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/13/moveonorg-raising-funds-from-trump-protests-warns-/

"So here’s the plan: We’ll support MoveOn.org members to call out and nonviolently protest Trump’s racist, bigoted, misogynistic, xenophobic, and violent behavior — and show the world that America rejects Trump’s hate,” the email read. “And to keep it going, we’re counting on you to donate whatever you can to cover the costs of everything involved — the organizers, signs, online recruitment ads, training, and more.”

 

[fskimospy]

People on the left often preach "tolerance" for things that people might not agree with. When it comes time for them to tolerate things they disagree with (like Trump's speeches), all of a sudden the tolerance goes out the window and mob thuggery ensues.

Punishing people for their opinions if they are different than yours, comitting violence against people who have ideas other than yours etc is the very definition of intolerance. Pretty standard for the hateful intolerant left. This mob behavior at the Trump rallies is the perfect illustration of the leftist mentality.

Oh? Can you link me up to the stories of mob violence, riots etc by pro-trump supporters? The undeniable reality is that the left these days is simply not capable of accepting speech or ideas they disagree with, they actively seek to shut down and silence it. In contrast, I can happily accept that people have opinions I disagree with and I don't seek to silence them in any way.

Isolated instances of someone doing something stupid are very different from the mob actions, rioting, setting cars on fire, etc. That kind of behavior is pretty much limited to the left.

So to be clear, you believe if the left says that we need to accept gay people as equals that they are hypocrites to condemn someone for saying they think child rape is a positive thing for society? If not, please explain. If so, that's transparently stupid. That's why the 'stop being intolerant of my intolerance' is a dumb argument.

 

[HomerJS]

If some Trump supporters did something violent, the outrage would be deafening...violence against Trump supporters, not so much and they probably deserved it anyway.

No one on the anti-Trump side is condoning the violence.

Its time for both sides to chill the fuck out.

 

[fskimospy]

By the way it's pretty funny that you think that sort of thing is confined to the left. Did you already forget the Bundy clan?

 

[FerrelGeek]

How about those occupy Wall St protesters, eh?

Have an issue with ILLEGAL immigration, you're an anti-immigrant xenophobe. Don't feel you have to actively support and celebrate the LGBT crowd but have no personal negative feelings for them, you're a homophobe. Aren't concerned about the actual transgender crowd who just want to use the restroom that they identify with, but ARE concerned about the unintended consequences that creepy guys will take advantage of the situation, you're a bigot. Fully cognizant that the vast majority of Muslims just want to be left alone (like you do) but are concerned about what's going on in Europe coming to the US, you're an islamophobe.

For all of libs claiming that nothing is black and white, they sure like to pain people in those colors while accusing non libs of doing the very same. the liberal kids in the 60s and early 70s were all about breaking the mold, doing your own thing, down with the establishment. Now, the libs are (in many ways) the enforcers of the new conformity and behaving like everything they claim to hate.*

*usual disclaimer - obviously not all libs are this way and I'm not implying that all people on the other side of the issue are the soul of virtue.

People on the left often preach "tolerance" for things that people might not agree with. When it comes time for them to tolerate things they disagree with (like Trump's speeches), all of a sudden the tolerance goes out the window and mob thuggery ensues.

Punishing people for their opinions if they are different than yours, comitting violence against people who have ideas other than yours etc is the very definition of intolerance. Pretty standard for the hateful intolerant left. This mob behavior at the Trump rallies is the perfect illustration of the leftist mentality.

Oh? Can you link me up to the stories of mob violence, riots etc by pro-trump supporters? The undeniable reality is that the left these days is simply not capable of accepting speech or ideas they disagree with, they actively seek to shut down and silence it. In contrast, I can happily accept that people have opinions I disagree with and I don't seek to silence them in any way.

Isolated instances of someone doing something stupid are very different from the mob actions, rioting, setting cars on fire, etc. That kind of behavior is pretty much limited to the left.

 

[hal2kilo]

Ah gotta love my hometown. I was actually thinking of going to check it out.

I see it was in Costa Mesa. The fairgrounds?

The KKK showed up out there a month or two ago and got their ass kicked. I don't think people realize that as a whole OC votes conservative, but on the other hand the cities of Orange and Anaheim are like 65/70% Hispanic. You should expect some crowd reaction when you run your campaign based on racism against Hispanics (yea, sure it's about illegals).

 

[HomerJS]

How about those occupy Wall St protesters, eh?

Have an issue with ILLEGAL immigration, you're an anti-immigrant xenophobe. Don't feel you have to actively support and celebrate the LGBT crowd but have no personal negative feelings for them, you're a homophobe. Aren't concerned about the actual transgender crowd who just want to use the restroom that they identify with, but ARE concerned about the unintended consequences that creepy guys will take advantage of the situation, you're a bigot. Fully cognizant that the vast majority of Muslims just want to be left alone (like you do) but are concerned about what's going on in Europe coming to the US, you're an islamophobe.

For all of libs claiming that nothing is black and white, they sure like to pain people in those colors while accusing non libs of doing the very same. the liberal kids in the 60s and early 70s were all about breaking the mold, doing your own thing, down with the establishment. Now, the libs are (in many ways) the enforcers of the new conformity and behaving like everything they claim to hate.*

*usual disclaimer - obviously not all libs are this way and I'm not implying that all people on the other side of the issue are the soul of virtue.

Having an issue with illegal immigration does not make you an anti-immigrant xenophobe. Calling almost all immigrants from Mexico rapists, does.

 

[LegendKiller]

I see it was in Costa Mesa. The fairgrounds?

The KKK showed up out there a month or two ago and got their ass kicked. I don't think people realize that as a whole OC votes conservative, but on the other hand the cities of Orange and Anaheim are like 65/70% Hispanic. You should expect some crowd reaction when you run your campaign based on racism against Hispanics (yea, sure it's about illegals).

Last I checked he never said to build a wall, kick everybody but white people out, and keep everybody else in.

No, he said let's control the process and let those we want in, in. The problem with liberals is that anything in moderation is considered excess to them, especially when it comes to protected classes.

Why don't you leave your door open, with a sign that says "FREE SHIT IN HERE!" and see who walks in and whether you like it. Then, when the police try to kick them out, they'll plaster your story on the news that you are a bigoted asshole who deserves to lose your job, your livelihood...etc and refuse to kick them out of your house, that you paid for, that you pay taxes on.

This is what you are doing.

What is hilarious is that people like Zuck, who hide behind $16mm in security, high walls...etc are doing the opposite. THEY don't want to live with these people, they just want you to.

It's no better than DeCrapio jetting all over the world with 50 whores in tow to every exotic and remote location and then scolding you for driving your car to work.

His carbon footprint is probably larger than Rhode Islands.

 

[LegendKiller]

Having an issue with illegal immigration does not make you an anti-immigrant xenophobe. Calling almost all immigrants from Mexico rapists, does.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html

I even used your favorite liberal source.

 

[fskimospy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html

I even used your favorite liberal source.

Lol. That's not what that article says.

Anyways though it's funny to watch you switch from 'he didn't say that' to 'okay he said it but he's right anyway.'

Someday you guys are going to look back on your support for this shit bag and cringe.

 

[LegendKiller]

Lol. That's not what that article says.

Anyways though it's funny to watch you switch from 'he didn't say that' to 'okay he said it but he's right anyway.'

Someday you guys are going to look back on your support for this shit bag and cringe.

Just as I looked back at my support for Obama and cringe.

Fucking disaster.

 

[Jhhnn]

Which people? Granted there have been some Trumpistas that have gotten rough with protesters (certainly a bad thing) but nothing on this scale.



Some dems (even a couple on here) certainly hope so. Some dems want to go back to their glory days in the '60s / early '70s. Those riots were so much fun. Maybe some key dems can convince Bill Ayers to revive the Weather Underground.

That's just sad. The fact that there are a few idiots in a crowd of thousands of poorly organized protesters shouldn't surprise anybody. That's not enough to condemn all of them.

It's not like Trump's followers have had to resort to protest to get publicity. The Donald is right up in everybody's faces every day courtesy of the sensationalist media. OTOH, those who detest him the most will find a way to get in the spotlight themselves.

The Vietnam War? The 60's? You're clueless, I'm afraid. The violence of the War itself, the Draft & deliberate repression of the counter culture under-laid all of it along with a lot of racism, as well.

One thing you might want to acknowledge is that the people preaching violence today are the so called Patriots & assorted right wing whack jobs like the Bundy Militia. They're the ones preaching revolution, not the old Revolutionary Left of the Weathermen that died 40 years ago.

 

[fskimospy]

Just as I looked back at my support for Obama and cringe.

Fucking disaster.

Thank you for this. Now we all get to laugh at you some more.

 

[PokerGuy]

So to be clear, you believe if the left says that we need to accept gay people as equals that they are hypocrites to condemn someone for saying they think child rape is a positive thing for society? If not, please explain.

You are perfectly fine opposing their opinion and stating yours. I don't consider that hypocritical. Where it gets hypocritical is when it moves beyond stating your opposition to their opinion into trying to silence them, preventing them from exercising their free speech rights or having their opinion. The remedy to distasteful free speech is more free speech, not enforced silence.

If so, that's transparently stupid. That's why the 'stop being intolerant of my intolerance' is a dumb argument.

It's actually not. It's a very valid and accurate point. You cannot preach tolerance and then advocate intolerance at the same time. That just means you want tolerance for the ideas you support, intolerance for those you don't. That's not a free society. Acceptance/tolerance and agreement are very different things, just as ideas/speech and actions are very different things.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

This can only help Trump.

MAGA

 

[PokerGuy]

I see it was in Costa Mesa. The fairgrounds?

The KKK showed up out there a month or two ago and got their ass kicked.

You say that like it's a good thing. All that shows is that free speech is only protected there if it's speech the thugs and mob agree with. Your rights do not end because there are violent idiots who disagree with you.

 

[fskimospy]

You are perfectly fine opposing their opinion and stating yours. I don't consider that hypocritical. Where it gets hypocritical is when it moves beyond stating your opposition to their opinion into trying to silence them, preventing them from exercising their free speech rights or having their opinion. The remedy to distasteful free speech is more free speech, not enforced silence.

No one is forcing anyone to be silent. Everyone is welcome to their views, but as I mentioned before conservatives not only want to hold their own views, but be free from any consequences for those views.

My decision not to patronize a business isn't any attempt to silence them, it's my choice (and my freedom of speech and association) not to do business with repugnant people.

It's actually not. It's a very valid and accurate point. You cannot preach tolerance and then advocate intolerance at the same time. That just means you want tolerance for the ideas you support, intolerance for those you don't. That's not a free society. Acceptance/tolerance and agreement are very different things, just as ideas/speech and actions are very different things.

Except no one has ever argued for limitless tolerance. Like, ever. So yes, you can absolutely argue for tolerance of some things and not others. That's literally what has happened in every argument about tolerance for all of human history.

You've been snookered by a straw man that conservative tell themselves. Ironically this is the same straw man that makes them think liberals are immoral hedonists.

 

[LegendKiller]

Thank you for this. Now we all get to laugh at you some more.

You think I give a fuck what you laugh at? You're the one voting to continue devolving this country, I don't laugh, I pity you.

And when Trump is President I will revel in your dismay.

 

[hal2kilo]

You say that like it's a good thing. All that shows is that free speech is only protected there if it's speech the thugs and mob agree with. Your rights do not end because there are violent idiots who disagree with you.

Please quote me on where I said it was a good thing. Just pointing out that they should have expected quite a reaction.