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Ron Paul is a constitutionalist, not a bible thumper.

Quit making up lies.

Reading this thread makes me realize that America doesn't deserve Ron Paul. McCain will do.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Wheezer
gotta wonder why RP would think this is such a bad thing.
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Because it's big government sticking their nose into private business. In this case, the government is effectively saying that everyone must be treated the same by private businesses no matter what. It's akin to someone with a horrible driving record getting the same car insurance rates as someone with a clean record. Sure, they haven't had an accident lately, but they are predisposed to have one, especially compared to someone with a clean record.

When the government says who businesses can sell to, and for how much, it's a bad day for capitalism. Dead weight loss is created in the market as insurance prices will now climb for everyone, and fewer total people will be able to afford insurance at all. Oh wait, the government can just give everyone insurance! :roll:
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Yay Libertopian Bullshit! Abolish EPA, FDA and let free market be efficient in the long run.
 
I support Ron Paul... but seriously, he's not a God. He has some flawed ideas here and there. All the defenders only increase the outsider's view that ron paul supporters are zealots. Still, his views contrast strongly to the current 2-dimensional political landscape. I mean if you really want to debate, go for it but let's just remember that it's a single man and he's atleast more inspiring than Mccain and this whole drawn out Obama, Hillary fiasco; in my opinion atleast.
 
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
For a second I actually forgot that we had a right to health care. But now I remember, its the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and health care.

In a free society the businessmen should have the same rights as normal people. So if one individual wants to voluntarily buy health care services, then the other person has the right to voluntarily screen the other person. Its not pretty and maybe not fair, but its the price of a free society.
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Psychologically, you are a disturbed individual. Intellectually, your arguments are weaker than non-alcoholic beer.
 
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Ron Paul is a constitutionalist, not a bible thumper.

Quit making up lies.

Reading this thread makes me realize that America doesn't deserve Ron Paul. McCain will do.
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Keep in mind that 99% of P&N couldn't tell you the differences between a Constitutionalist and Libertarian, and probably can't even recognize that there is a substantial difference.
 
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Ron Paul is an Ob/Gyn who is a creationist? I'm moving to the UK ASAP. This embarassment is too much to bear.
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It is an embarrassment for himself, but as long as creationism does not affect his ability to do the work he's paid to do, what do I care? I'm not marrying him.
 
I think the story here has been missed, put Ron Paul to the side and note that it's remarkable that every other member of the House agreed on this issue.

I'm very surprised and pleased to see that there's some unity in our government, against the exploitation of this information against the public interest.

I didn't think that our Congress could avoid having some radicals vote differently on just about any issue other than honoring Mother's Day.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
I think the story here has been missed, put Ron Paul to the side and note that it's remarkable that every other member of the House agreed on this issue.
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Yeah, God forbid one person in all of Congress have some respect for the Constitution. :roll:

Why doesn't he just jump on the bandwagon like everyone else?
 
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
The more I see his responses the more I see how poorly our country is run. He's exactly right-- the states are 100% capable of doing this themselves.
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having a single national standard could be and porbably is superior to 50 individual programs with different guidelines
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
The more I see his responses the more I see how poorly our country is run. He's exactly right-- the states are 100% capable of doing this themselves.
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having a single national standard could be and porbably is superior to 50 individual programs with different guidelines
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Yeah, because we all know how well organized and efficient the federal government is. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Craig234
I think the story here has been missed, put Ron Paul to the side and note that it's remarkable that every other member of the House agreed on this issue.
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Yeah, God forbid one person in all of Congress have some respect for the Constitution. :roll:

Why doesn't he just jump on the bandwagon like everyone else?
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You beg the question whether the yes vote was unconstitutional.

Why don't you prove it, and then try the point again?

Or is it more fun to just run around wildly claiming that Ron Paul has a latex suit with a big C on it since he's Constitutionn Man, the only defender of the document in evil Congress?

If every member but one in Congress voted for something unconstitutional, that's quite a story.

Clearly, a majority of Congress is capable of doing so, or otherwise no laws would ever have to be overturned by the Supreme Court on cosnstitutional grounds, but all but one?

And you should realize that not every vote that's constitutional is a good vote. The government could declare war on Canada tomorrow, consitutionally.

So it's not enough to say Ron Paul's vote was consitutional. Among the constitutional votes available - let's call them 'Aye' and "Nay' - was it good policy?
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
The more I see his responses the more I see how poorly our country is run. He's exactly right-- the states are 100% capable of doing this themselves.
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having a single national standard could be and porbably is superior to 50 individual programs with different guidelines
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Yeah, because we all know how well organized and efficient the federal government is. :roll:
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no better or worse than most states.


are you disagreeing with my point that it would be economically easier to comply with a single national standard over 50 different and varying state standards?
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
The more I see his responses the more I see how poorly our country is run. He's exactly right-- the states are 100% capable of doing this themselves.
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having a single national standard could be and porbably is superior to 50 individual programs with different guidelines
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Yeah, because we all know how well organized and efficient the federal government is. :roll:
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Yeah, because they can't do anything well enough. Let's just get rid of the federal government and the United States of America and go back to individual states. Happy?
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
I think the story here has been missed, put Ron Paul to the side and note that it's remarkable that every other member of the House agreed on this issue.

I'm very surprised and pleased to see that there's some unity in our government, against the exploitation of this information against the public interest.

I didn't think that our Congress could avoid having some radicals vote differently on just about any issue other than honoring Mother's Day.
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In a perfect world, there would be someone who would vote against that too.

When everyone thinks the same, that can only be because someone isn't thinking.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
The more I see his responses the more I see how poorly our country is run. He's exactly right-- the states are 100% capable of doing this themselves.
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having a single national standard could be and porbably is superior to 50 individual programs with different guidelines
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Yeah, because we all know how well organized and efficient the federal government is. :roll:
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Yeah, because they can't do anything well enough. Let's just get rid of the federal government and the United States of America and go back to individual states. Happy?
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How is this attitude of his much different than your (often expressed) attitude that you wish the South would have won their independence in the Civil War, or that they would secede now?

I swear, you would not know or understand liberalism and democracy if it bit you in the ass. Conformity is antithetical to those principles.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Craig234
I think the story here has been missed, put Ron Paul to the side and note that it's remarkable that every other member of the House agreed on this issue.
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Yeah, God forbid one person in all of Congress have some respect for the Constitution. :roll:

Why doesn't he just jump on the bandwagon like everyone else?
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You beg the question whether the yes vote was unconstitutional.

Why don't you prove it, and then try the point again?

Or is it more fun to just run around wildly claiming that Ron Paul has a latex suit with a big C on it since he's Constitutionn Man, the only defender of the document in evil Congress?

If every member but one in Congress voted for something unconstitutional, that's quite a story.

Clearly, a majority of Congress is capable of doing so, or otherwise no laws would ever have to be overturned by the Supreme Court on cosnstitutional grounds, but all but one?

And you should realize that not every vote that's constitutional is a good vote. The government could declare war on Canada tomorrow, consitutionally.

So it's not enough to say Ron Paul's vote was consitutional. Among the constitutional votes available - let's call them 'Aye' and "Nay' - was it good policy?
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:laugh:

Just show me where in the US Constitution it says that the Federal Government has the right to intervene in the health care market.

But let's see this for what it is. It's about the Federal government taking powers away from the states. You probably failed to see that many states already had this policy in place.

But as for your notion that if only one guy in Congress votes "yes" or "no" for a bill, then he is automatically wrong, I suggest reading this...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/raskin/raskin10.html

But I guess if someone like Hillary jumps off an Iraqi bridge, you'll follow. Just realize that not all of us want to drown in the cesspool that is our inefficient, unorganized, and corrupt federal government.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Vic

When everyone thinks the same, that can only be because someone isn't thinking.
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hmmm.
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What I meant is that there should always be a voice of dissent. Not something simple like agreeing that 2+2=4.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
The more I see his responses the more I see how poorly our country is run. He's exactly right-- the states are 100% capable of doing this themselves.
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having a single national standard could be and porbably is superior to 50 individual programs with different guidelines
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Yeah, because we all know how well organized and efficient the federal government is. :roll:
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Yeah, because they can't do anything well enough. Let's just get rid of the federal government and the United States of America and go back to individual states. Happy?
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I knew you hated the Constitution. You and your friends in power can't wait until they can finally toss that old thing into the garbage where it belongs.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Hell, go to youtube and search for "ron paul abortion" and in at least the first three videos showing interviews with Ron Paul, he clearly states that abortion should be a state issue.
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Should freedom of speech and freedom of religion also be a state issue as far as Ron Paul is concerned? If not, then in his view why should such a fundamental right as the right to what you do with your own body, essentially a right to privacy, also be left to the states when he knows fully well that at root, abortion is a religious issue that states would effectively be ramrodding Christian mythology down secular people's throats by restricting or banning abortion?
 
Originally posted by: bamacre

I knew you hated the Constitution. You and your friends in power can't wait until they can finally toss that old thing into the garbage where it belongs.
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And you love Hitler. Thanks for raising the level of discussion by simply posting lies.
 
Originally posted by: fornax
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Ron Paul is an Ob/Gyn who is a creationist? I'm moving to the UK ASAP. This embarassment is too much to bear.
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It is an embarrassment for himself, but as long as creationism does not affect his ability to do the work he's paid to do, what do I care? I'm not marrying him.
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A dumb president is a bad thing. See George W. Bush. The job in question is LEADING THIS COUNTRY, not pumping gas.
 
Originally posted by: Throckmorton

A dumb president is a bad thing. See George W. Bush. The job in question is LEADING THIS COUNTRY, not pumping gas.
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Some folks wouldn't trust Bush to do even that. It's not as though he has a lot of experience pumping gas and given his track record and many people's perception of his intelligence, many folks wouldn't even want him to do that. It would be funny if, as a result of various criminal charges, he were sentenced to work as a gas station attendant in Oregon where he's have to pump gas.
 
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