Please oh please please love me. I can't stand it if you don't love me. Please oh please. My self convidence is in the trash. Please don't make me feel unrespected. I did so much. The government stole all my money so you could have foreigh aid. Please don't hat me, I'm warning you. Nobody ever again is going to make me feel bad. My heart's covered in scars, I'LL KILL YOU IF YOU MAKE ME FEEL BAD. I'LL PUT YOUR ASS DOWN IN THE DIRT. Don't you ever make me feel bad.
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Anti Americanism in Western Europe
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Originally posted by: Broohaha
Originally posted by: SnapIT
The problem i see is that the US is currently not under attack, there threat is percieved and maybe rightfully so, but going against the UN in that situation would allow any nation in the world to start a war if they can say they percieve a threat from the other nation... that is what i see coming...Originally posted by: charrisonI would like to like have UN approval as well. But I think doing nothing is far more dangerous than removing Hussein.Originally posted by: SnapITActually, i do not disagree with the removal of Saddam, i have stated it before and will do so again, i really hope that there will be a wide alliance with UN support, if the US acts alone, without UN support, a very dangerous situation could develop...Originally posted by: charrisonIf you disagree with the removal of Saddam, you are: 1. foolish to think inspections will work after 12 years of failed inspections 2. Or you want Saddam to stay in power and keep its people oppressed. You can do either of these without being a Hussein lover or a communist.Originally posted by: SnapITYup, disagree with a war and you are anti-american and most probably a communist Hussein lover... The biggest america basher i've seen around here is Canadian, but that is easy to forget when you think about the "french cowards" and "the axis of weasels"...
um, not at all. america is one of the few countries in the world with the power and the reputation to impose its will regardless of the international community. if any other country tried to do this (think back to Hussein invading Kuwait) the rest of the world would gang up on them.
I'm thinking about China invading Taiwan... what are you going to do, start WWIII? The balance works because there are rules, the rules are those of the UN...
PistachioByAzul
Diamond Member
What about all the Anti-everyoneelseism in America as exemplified by this BBS?
A little History for Everyone:
Europe was the center of civilization for well over 1500 years. They had an advanced culture unknown to any other part of the globe. As they spread, they began to defeat other nations. But then they turned on themselves and fought several tribal (world) wars; all of which ended into a stalemate. Now they have been rescued by their children (America) and their children are growned up and telling them what to do. They resent being told what to do despite the fact that they are not at the center of the world anymore. They resent unknowingly passing the torch of civilization to their children. Now they attack us for having the thankless and burdensome task of advancing mankind.
What a bunch of ingrates.
The younger korean generation also don't appreciate the fact that we saved their previous generation from a communist strangulation. This is truly a thankless and burdensome task we've been given. This is the thanks this benevolent empire (america) gets from saving humanity from various calamities.
Europe was the center of civilization for well over 1500 years. They had an advanced culture unknown to any other part of the globe. As they spread, they began to defeat other nations. But then they turned on themselves and fought several tribal (world) wars; all of which ended into a stalemate. Now they have been rescued by their children (America) and their children are growned up and telling them what to do. They resent being told what to do despite the fact that they are not at the center of the world anymore. They resent unknowingly passing the torch of civilization to their children. Now they attack us for having the thankless and burdensome task of advancing mankind.
What a bunch of ingrates.
The younger korean generation also don't appreciate the fact that we saved their previous generation from a communist strangulation. This is truly a thankless and burdensome task we've been given. This is the thanks this benevolent empire (america) gets from saving humanity from various calamities.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Yup, disagree with a war and you are anti-american and most probably a communist Hussein lover... The biggest america basher i've seen around here is Canadian, but that is easy to forget when you think about the "french cowards" and "the axis of weasels"...
If you disagree with the removal of Saddam, you are:
1. foolish to think inspections will work after 12 years of failed inspections
2. Or you want Saddam to stay in power and keep its people oppressed.
You can do either of these without being a Hussein lover or a communist.
Actually, i do not disagree with the removal of Saddam, i have stated it before and will do so again, i really hope that there will be a wide alliance with UN support, if the US acts alone, without UN support, a very dangerous situation could develop...
I would like to like have UN approval as well. But I think doing nothing is far more dangerous than removing Hussein.
The problem i see is that the US is currently not under attack, there threat is percieved and maybe rightfully so, but going against the UN in that situation would allow any nation in the world to start a war if they can say they percieve a threat from the other nation... that is what i see coming...
So you admit a threat exists, but the US cant do anything about the threat until the UN says so.
No thanks.
I really really doubt there is a threat from Irak against any nation atm...
Oh, and i just heard that China percievs Taiwan as a threat, UN support is not needed so...
alphatarget1
Diamond Member
so far the europeans i've talked to don't hate americans, they hate bush 😛
Busch ist ein Arsch (aha a classic from a friend of mine) "bush is an a$$"
Busch ist ein Arsch (aha a classic from a friend of mine) "bush is an a$$"
AccruedExpenditure
Diamond Member
If by western Europe you mean the Berlin-Paris axis, then yes, yes you are correct.
Those two countries dominate W. European Policy, but believe me, not every nation falls in line behind them.
Those two countries dominate W. European Policy, but believe me, not every nation falls in line behind them.
Those GD ingrates. Damn I get so furious when people are ungreatful. Why the hell can't they be greatful. What a lousy fuked up world. Oh I just hate the world, this rotten ungreatful world that is so thankless and complaining. Where's the grattitude. Those worthless bastards never did a thing for anybody. What a bunch of bumbs. Not a damn thing to be greatful for about them.
TheeeChosenOne
Banned
These threads on these topics bashing each other is really useless.
You are the masses and have relative 0 power to influence egocentric prideful leaders with hidden agendas. You just have to wait until election time to assert your vote.
Demonstrations are also pretty usless as they're forgotten after the evening news.
It's all about ego, money, politics, paranoia, power, and substantiated fear.
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Yes. America will definitely go to war in March (quoted by high level sources in the media). Like it or not.
Yes. Russia and France don't want war b/c of their financial interests in Iraq (US has promised to recompensate them). France also has a bug up it's ass with the US ever since it lost it's global diplomatic status 80 years ago. Today, they are a 3rd level player in terms of political global standing--their govt. leaders are still living in denial as that is the way the rest of the world sees them.
Yes. Germany's Chancellor doesn't want war b/c that was his election angle/platform to win/spin reelection (which he was losing until taking that stance). His party btw, suffered a huge blow this month as many lost political control in elections. Unfortunately, some Germans miss their "old" leadership standing and still have that "hubermensch" mentality. They should realize that making neat "toys" doesn't qualify them as part of the triumverate.
No. Europeans don't hate Americans. The reverse is true. Hatred=ignorance.
Yes. America is a bully (with weaker countries) with the current leadership, but that is why the UN exists to keep it in line. The UN, though has to assert itself or lose its legitimacy. The US, btw, is too wise to burn its political bridges--Bush's cabinet will see to that.
The burden of jealousy and envy will always exist for the world's only Superpower. That's the cross it must bear until the torch is passed onto someone else. Only time will tel how long the US will run with the torch.
War is a terrible thing. Many innocent people will lose their loved ones. Only history will tell whether current actions were a mistake or a valid solution.
Regardless, brace for the unexpected and appreciate your loved ones and friends.
You are the masses and have relative 0 power to influence egocentric prideful leaders with hidden agendas. You just have to wait until election time to assert your vote.
Demonstrations are also pretty usless as they're forgotten after the evening news.
It's all about ego, money, politics, paranoia, power, and substantiated fear.
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Yes. America will definitely go to war in March (quoted by high level sources in the media). Like it or not.
Yes. Russia and France don't want war b/c of their financial interests in Iraq (US has promised to recompensate them). France also has a bug up it's ass with the US ever since it lost it's global diplomatic status 80 years ago. Today, they are a 3rd level player in terms of political global standing--their govt. leaders are still living in denial as that is the way the rest of the world sees them.
Yes. Germany's Chancellor doesn't want war b/c that was his election angle/platform to win/spin reelection (which he was losing until taking that stance). His party btw, suffered a huge blow this month as many lost political control in elections. Unfortunately, some Germans miss their "old" leadership standing and still have that "hubermensch" mentality. They should realize that making neat "toys" doesn't qualify them as part of the triumverate.
No. Europeans don't hate Americans. The reverse is true. Hatred=ignorance.
Yes. America is a bully (with weaker countries) with the current leadership, but that is why the UN exists to keep it in line. The UN, though has to assert itself or lose its legitimacy. The US, btw, is too wise to burn its political bridges--Bush's cabinet will see to that.
The burden of jealousy and envy will always exist for the world's only Superpower. That's the cross it must bear until the torch is passed onto someone else. Only time will tel how long the US will run with the torch.
War is a terrible thing. Many innocent people will lose their loved ones. Only history will tell whether current actions were a mistake or a valid solution.
Regardless, brace for the unexpected and appreciate your loved ones and friends.
PistachioByAzul
Diamond Member
Do you think the people of Rome thought they were doing anything other than the right thing as they unknowingly brought down their own empire from the inside?
Dari, you can't seem to appreciate the fact that the generation that saved them was a previous generation. It's a whole new world and a whole new ballgame now.
Dari, you can't seem to appreciate the fact that the generation that saved them was a previous generation. It's a whole new world and a whole new ballgame now.
our core policies have not changed since. If you think the america of wwII is different from the america of the cold war (which is now running the country), then you don't know a thing about us. We have core beliefs that's deep in our constitution and we want the best for everyone. Even in vietnam, where we failed because of a corrupt and weak gov't (in Saigon), our intentions were noble. Now that the cold war is over, look at world and its nations and tell us (americans) that that is not what we wanted most? Capitalism and democracies rule the globe. Not every part of it, but most of it none the less.
PistachioByAzul
Diamond Member
We have core beliefs that's deep in our constitution and we want the best for everyone.
Really? What are sweatshops then, for instance. The core values seem to be profit. But that's not the point.
I didn't see you on the beach in Normandy so why should anyone be grateful (and your running definition of grateful seems to be blindly accept US policy). That is American arrogance.
Really? What are sweatshops then, for instance. The core values seem to be profit. But that's not the point.
I didn't see you on the beach in Normandy so why should anyone be grateful (and your running definition of grateful seems to be blindly accept US policy). That is American arrogance.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
This is probably because you have a life.
It could be possible that the French, Britons, Germans are more educated on goverment. However, I do agree the ignorace, lack of commmon sense sometimes leads to hate. I dont agree on U.S Policy on the Middle East. Canada, Britian, Europe, France and America have their Ignorant Idiots and uinformed public. I am sure their are some Europians who support a over throwing of Saddam. The German couple is just ill informed and doesn't know how the real world works. Most citizien don't know crap about Balance of Power, Economey, War and Terrorism. I barley know anything, but I do know something. For all of those who think its about oil, then how come we arent taking atvantage of the sitiuation in Venz? IMHO, I think the U.N is a load of crap, we have the largest human rights abusers on the Human Rights commision? What a load of poop.
Pepsi90919
Lifer
oh, the nerve!
shortalias
Member
I will tell you what makes people anti-American, coming to a thread like this and reading all the shite that some of you write!! You are rude and nasty about Europe, Britain and so on, make false claims to saving Europe and then expect respect and wonder why people hate you!! Yeah right!!
FrancesBeansRevenge
Platinum Member
If the established pattern holds true Moonbeam will be along again shortly to make yet another post in this thread that no one notices let alone reads. 🙂
PistachioByAzul
Diamond Member
Well Dari that was a conveniently easy out for you. Does the United State's record of selling arms, drugs and sponsoring terrorism when it suits our ends show that we want the best for everyone? And what should gratitude entail? Is it bending over for whatever the US wants?
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