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Anti-Aircraft Missles Misplaced in Libya

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http://news.yahoo.com/free-20-000-anti-aircraft-missiles-stolen-libya-190419158.html

Not to get you excited, but, our military just misplaced a few (20,000) anti-aircraft missles. That is nothing to get excited about unless you happen to be flying somewhere.

A survey of weapon depots in Libya shows that up to 20,000 shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles are now missing, partly because President Barack Obama has refused to send troops to guard the weapons depots, according to a left-of-center advocate.
 
The missing missiles are Russian-made SA-7s and SA-16s: Shoulder-launched missiles that can home into the hot exhaust trails from civilian and military jets. The SA-16 is only five feet long and weighs just 24 pounds.
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People were concerned and warned about this months ago, yet somehow nothing was done.

Fern
 
Well it's Africa, I imagine that with money SAMs were always available. It's only if they are available in real countries that it becomes a major concern.
 
Risk anti-air weapons falling into enemy hands versus deploy troops to yet another hostile Middle Eastern nation to police it for them. No winning with that one.
 
Whose missiles are they? Can't we just take back all the stored weapons? That hardly counts as "boots on the ground".
 
I thought this was a conflict under the direct control of the Europeans, and the US only played an outwardly subordinate air combat role with intel sharing thrown in.

If this is the case, how is this Obama's fault when the Europeans called the shots as to what was actually happening on the ground?
 
How and why is this Obama's fault more than the Europeans? Obama doesn't want American boots on the ground in Libya and I can well understand why. The last thing we need is yet another nation building project with an indefinite timeline. The Europeans have some on the ground assets there, and let's face it, they are the ones to economically benefit from all this more than the U.S. Why aren't they protecting these weapons stockpiles? Why does the U.S. have to do everything?
 
As I recall it was GW Bushie wushie who decided that Gaddafi could be trusted, and now Obama catches the blame. If he puts boots on the ground, the GOP will blame him, and if merely uses US air power as part of a Nato coalition, its going to do nothing to control loose anti aircrast missles..
 
tweaker2 said:
I thought this was a conflict under the direct control of the Europeans, and the US only played an outwardly subordinate air combat role with intel sharing thrown in.

If this is the case, how is this Obama's fault when the Europeans called the shots as to what was actually happening on the ground?
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This

woolfe9999 said:
How and why is this Obama's fault more than the Europeans? Obama doesn't want American boots on the ground in Libya and I can well understand why. The last thing we need is yet another nation building project with an indefinite timeline. The Europeans have some on the ground assets there, and let's face it, they are the ones to economically benefit from all this more than the U.S. Why aren't they protecting these weapons stockpiles? Why does the U.S. have to do everything?
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And this.

This is in no way America's fault. They're not American weapons, America didn't give them money to BUY the weapons and it's not America's job to guard the weapons. This is a European war in which we armed the Europeans and provided them limited support. At this stage, we have nothing to do with it. The Europeans bungled this, and honestly it'll be they who pay the price for those loose SAMs.
 
I *HIGHLY* doubt that number is correct. Think of that number, 20,000 would probably kill every single mainline combat fighter in active duty in the world. The US airforce currently has 2,132 fighters according to Wiki. Enough missiles to kill the world's largest airforce 10 times over?

The libyan airforce has 374 aircraft, enough missiles to kill every one of them 53 times over. That's not even counting the fact that the euros had fighters overhead all of the time.

Don't think so.
 
LegendKiller said:
I *HIGHLY* doubt that number is correct. Think of that number, 20,000 would probably kill every single mainline combat fighter in active duty in the world. The US airforce currently has 2,132 fighters according to Wiki. Enough missiles to kill the world's largest airforce 10 times over?

The libyan airforce has 374 aircraft, enough missiles to kill every one of them 53 times over. That's not even counting the fact that the euros had fighters overhead all of the time.

Don't think so.
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Not to mention they would weigh ~240 tons, and take up a lot of space. I'd like to see where they were supposedly stored. How do they think they were taken? How long did it take to steal them?
 
OK, let's say this 20,000 is "just" 4,000. Now let's say that AQ gets their hands on "just" 10% of those. Now of those 400, let's say that AQ brings just 4% of those across our southern border. It would not be difficult because we, the USA, do not control our southern border.

I opine that just 16 missiles could shut down the entire US aviation industry.

Thank you Mr. President. Good work!
 
woolfe9999 said:
How and why is this Obama's fault more than the Europeans? Obama doesn't want American boots on the ground in Libya and I can well understand why. The last thing we need is yet another nation building project with an indefinite timeline. The Europeans have some on the ground assets there, and let's face it, they are the ones to economically benefit from all this more than the U.S. Why aren't they protecting these weapons stockpiles? Why does the U.S. have to do everything?
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I agree, this is the European nations fault for happening. But who honestly didn't see this happening anyways?
 
a777pilot said:
OK, let's say this 20,000 is "just" 4,000. Now let's say that AQ gets their hands on "just" 10% of those. Now of those 400, let's say that AQ brings just 4% of those across our southern border. It would not be difficult because we, the USA, do not control our southern border.

I opine that just 16 missiles could shut down the entire US aviation industry.

Thank you Mr. President. Good work!
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Wait, so it's his fault we didn't invade Libya to secure France's oil supply?! Does the VA hospital give you crack?

This is the fault of the Libyan Transitional Government and the Europeans that pushed for the intervention. If the SAMs making their way here are a real concern, maybe we should consider outfitting our commercial airline fleet with countermeasures as some countries do, or securing our southern border. Both of which would be, by my rough calculations, about 400 bazillion times cheaper and more practical than invading Libya.
 
Nebor said:
Wait, so it's his fault we didn't invade Libya to secure France's oil supply?! Does the VA hospital give you crack?

This is the fault of the Libyan Transitional Government and the Europeans that pushed for the intervention. If the SAMs making their way here are a real concern, maybe we should consider outfitting our commercial airline fleet with countermeasures as some countries do, or securing our southern border. Both of which would be, by my rough calculations, about 400 bazillion times cheaper and more practical than invading Libya.
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No, it was obama's fault for over throwing a government for no reason and without legal authority.
 
a777pilot said:
Of course it's arbitrary. It's from the MSM. They don't check facts. They just sensationalize for profit.
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Your number was the arbitrary one. Their number was the ridiculous one.

And also, it's not MSN, it's the Daily Caller (founded by journalist and political pundit Tucker Carlson a conservative commentator for the Fox News Channel, and Neil Patel a former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney.)
 
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