Antec Truepower owners, lend me your ears.

daveqb

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hi,
i have the 480 watt version,

my system has never been stable (along with my 8RDA+ and SLK-800)
i freeze in bout 4mths and that was last week when i plugged my phone USB charger in

but my volt rails arent the best on record.

currently:

12+ = 11.61 (sits there alot) was 11.55 when i started post
5+ = 4.81

they have lows of 10.82 and 4.78 respectively.


does this seem right to you ??
what rails do you guys get ??

system is stable, maybe bad readings ??

thanx
 

cruzer

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I have the Antec True 480 on a Soyo KT333 with XP2100, default settings.

Soyo's hardware monitor says:

12+ = 11.96
5+ = 4.99

One thing I do unusual is I never run the CPU cooler and case fans from the motherboard headers, I always use the adapters to run off the power supply only.

 

mechBgon

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Do you have a voltmeter you could do a reality check with? The PSU is only responsible for the voltages to the end of its cables, what the mobo does with them from there is a motherboard issue :D You can test your board's voltages if you know where to probe it, but if it were not on spec, there isn't much you can do about it.
 

daveqb

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Originally posted by: cruzer
I have the Antec True 480 on a Soyo KT333 with XP2100, default settings.

Soyo's hardware monitor says:

12+ = 11.96
5+ = 4.99

One thing I do unusual is I never run the CPU cooler and case fans from the motherboard headers, I always use the adapters to run off the power supply only.

Whoa!
makes mne look bad.
i only have my Radeons' Crytal Orb on the pin header.

what kinda devices yuo got in there ??

mine has been on those rails from when i had limited devices to now when i have 4 HDD's 2 x CD-ROM's
1xExhaut Fan 1xIntake fan
and a Cathod

hmmm i am suspecting bad readings, i might chuck the PSU in anothersystem and see what it reads.

those are some damn nice rails you got there though *envy* :D
 

thraxes

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Darn that is low!

Have a SilverPower 350W running a pretty standard setup A7V333 with a XP2100+ and Radeon 8500. 2 HDDs 2 CD drives a couple of USB devices and a few expansion cards.

getting 12.52 and 4.95

Seems like that Antec is not all what it makes out to be. Strange that you are the second poster with an Antec PSU problem in the last hour... probably best to try a different PSU out of another system first and if that works RMA the Antec. Alternatively it could be that the mainboards USB headers can't handle the juice. Remember that there is a max of 500mA allowed per port, perhaps the phone charger exceeds USB specs (wouldn't be the first USB device that did that).
 

sharkeeper

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As suggested earlier, please use another metric in the form of a DMM to check actual voltages! Often, the mainboard's method of determining system voltages and temperatures is skewed and not faithful.

Most of the time one can put a "faulty" PS in another system and its onboard readings will be nominal. Of course, your readings are not off nominal, just a little closer to the edge. :)

-DAK-
 

Blastman

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My Enermax 12v rail reads 12.43v, which I thought was high, but like shuttle said, the allowance is 5% so I?m within spec. too.

EDIT: Man can't even type 1 sentence without grammar mistakes. LOL
 

arcenite

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I have a TrueBlue 480...

+3.3/5/12

2.59 (this one really worries me)/4.88/11.61

-12/-5

-11.87/-5.05

System runs rock solid.

Bill
 

jackschmittusa

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The Antec Tru series quotes ±3% on the rails. My Tru430 is always within this spec according to both Hardware Doctor and Aida32.
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: aRCeNiTe
What should I do about my 3.3 being @ 2.6?

Bill
Test it with a multimeter. Software & BIOS readings are teh
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OverVolt

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Your's look low...

+12v = 11.97
+5v = 4.99
+3.3v = 3.24

EDIT: TrueBlue 480w BTW, forgot to mention
 

daveqb

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Originally posted by: aRCeNiTe
What should I do about my 3.3 being @ 2.6?

Bill


8RDA+ and MBM = +3.3 is actually your vDIMM :D
so dont worry bout that one

seems my rails are very similiar to yours too. same PSU among other things

the thing is my rails never change,
not from one HDD and no CD-ROM's and no USB, to fully loaded with 5 HDD's and 2+ CD-ROM's fans etc.

i am truely suspecting bad readings,
i will yank it and try it on another system; building one later this week and will use mine on it, although it is another 8RDA+

*brain wave*
hey who else in this thread have an Antec TruePower + 8RDA+ = High rails ???

might be what it is coz as said, system is stable
 

daveqb

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well i finally got around to testing my rails with a multimeter and have been very much pleased with the results

testing static in the BIOS i had readings of 5.01 for my +5 and 11.84 for my 12+
whilst the BIOS continued to show 4.84 for my +5 and 11.61 for my +12

i continued to leave it in measuring the the 12V rail while booting (as this, according to MBM5 hits lows a bad as 10.8V) and it only ever moved to 11.83 and 11.85 (+- .01) during the entire boot and while i tested it copying files from HDD to HDD

measuring the 5V while windows was running, similiar thing, sat at 5.01 and dipped al the way down to 5.00 :D

all the while MBM5 keep true to what it was told by the BIOS and that 4.85 for my 5+ and 11.61-55 for my 12V

hope this is helpfully
 

Longwheelbase

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Dave,
I am not technically a TRUPOWER owner, but I felt I?d share my experience with you and anyone else out there experiencing instability problems. In addition to the system specs shown in my signature, I have an Ethernet card, a 56k modem, and 3X80mm case fans installed. I don?t overclock, but since building the system a few months ago I have experienced occasional lockups/crashes while pushing 3D games (NASCAR Racing 2003 Season will suck power to the GPU/CPU). Reading forums such as this one and Viaarena led me to a number of attempted fixes (including replacing memory sticks). Finally, by reducing the load on the power supply via disconnecting the CDRW power (unless actually using it to burn) and removing the modem, I was able to get the generic 300W power supply that came with the SOYO barebones system to run very stable, even when pushing the graphics card & processor.
Since this is not a good position to be in and likely to end up frying my MB or CPU, I researched and ordered what I figured to be the Rolls Royce - a TRUPOWER 550 from BUY.COM. Imagine my surprise when I installed the little ah heck and it wouldn?t finish loading WinXP without locking up or crashing/rebooting ? even with the CDRW and modem disconnected. CMOS was showing low voltage on all rails: 2.45 on the 2.5V, 3.24 on the 3.3V, 4.93 on the 5V and 11.71 on the 12V (my ratshack multimeter confirmed these to be good values within a hundredth or so). My old generic PS read identical on the 2.5V, 3.31 on the 3.3V, 4.89 on the 5V, and 12.48 on the 12V. Assuming this to just be a sub-par 550 unit, I RMA?d BUY.COM (reinstalled my generic PS, which continued to work well as above) and within 8 days had a replacement unit in hand.
Surprise - it did the same blessed thing since the voltages were almost identical to the first unit. Meanwhile, I had read further and noted that in virtually every test that I read, these units show ?low? voltage on the 3.3 and 5V rails (they?re still within published specs however). I?d have thought the fancy power regulating circuits within the ANTEC would have been adequate to assure stability, but they are not ? at least not on my system. I assume that ANTEC is keeping some of these voltages towards the low end to keep from ?burning up? components prematurely, and for the vast majority of systems, this is probably the prudent thing to do and the system will work fine. Since my ?research? had indicated that Thermaltake 480 PUREPOWER units generally test out a ?little? high on the 3.3V and 5V circuits, I ordered one of these (unfortunately from a different company than BUY.COM, but they are a jewel of a company to deal with) and it?s been running very stable with everything hooked up for over a week now ? and I have pushed it.
This is not intended to badmouth ANTEC, just to point out that if you?re experiencing instability problems, a few hundredths of a volt may be critical in whether or not you can get over the hump. ANTEC makes an adjustable voltage unit, but it?s even more expensive than the 550 TRUPOWER and the Thermaltake was about $20 cheaper than the ANTEC 550.
Sorry, didn?t intend for this to be so long.
 

mosco

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1 HD, 1 PCI tv tuner, 1 DVD drive, 1 CD-RW, one cathode, 5 fans, vcore at 1.775 and vdimm at 2.7 and my rails on my Antec truepower 430 for 5/12/-12/-5 are 5.06/12.17/-12.19/-5.14
 

Longwheelbase

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I forgot to specify the Thermaltake 480 voltages: 2.49, 3.34, 5.09, and 11.96 (BIOS values ? as indicated above they are very close to DMM values). Not much more than the ANTEC voltages were, but enough to make a huge difference in my system. Luckily I did my legwork and purchased the ANTEC from a reputable supplier so I could return it when it didn't work.
I think the biggest thing I learned here is that impressive spec sheets don't always translate into successful operation of electronic components - at least when there are as many from as many different suppliers as a PC represents.
 

Regs

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Sheesh, how can you get that low with such a high quality PSU?

My Allied 350watt PSU is running my barton+radeon+2 case fans+alpha pal perfectly. Maybe Allied PSU's are better then I thought :/ .
 

Regs

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Originally posted by: Longwheelbase

I think the biggest thing I learned here is that impressive spec sheets don't always translate into successful operation of electronic components - at least when there are as many from as many different suppliers as a PC represents.

 

Longwheelbase

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Originally posted by: Regs

Sheesh, how can you get that low with such a high quality PSU?

My Allied 350watt PSU is running my barton+radeon+2 case fans+alpha pal perfectly. Maybe Allied PSU's are better then I thought :/ .
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Good question - it surprised me when such a monster, top quality PSU wouldn't even boot my system when the generic one at about half the power rating would. Then I started looking at test results. I was interested primarily in the 550, since that's what I was trying to get to work, and virtually all of them show similar results, whrereas the few 440-480 watt Antec units that I looked over seemed to have a little higher voltages on the 3.3 and 5V rails than these 550 watt units. After two strikes, I decided to change to a different manufacturer. Do a google search on "antec 550 test" and check out the results - they speak for themselves, but aparently all of the testers had systems that were not as sensitive to undervoltage as my system apparently is.