I've never met anyone that has had health problems or harmed anyone else while high. The driving claim is stupid. A lot of people that I know are better drivers while under the influence of pot because they mellow out and take in their surroundings a lot better. I've never been in the car with a stoner who I did not feel comfortable with. I have been in cars with drunk drivers who have made me get out of the car due to fear of losing my life.
NikolaeVarius
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While it may not technically be addictive, it can addictive in real life. I've seen wayy too many people try to get weed like they would die without the stuff.
I also think long term smoking kills brain cells/ drastically lowers mental capacity/capability.
First of all.. people CAN me 'mentally' addicted to it.
Second, the side-effect is 'laziness'. Laziness is bad for you. It also makes most people eat 10x as much and thus makes you fat. Being fat is bad for you.
Second, the side-effect is 'laziness'. Laziness is bad for you. It also makes most people eat 10x as much and thus makes you fat. Being fat is bad for you.
That's like saying ATOT is an addictive substance. I'm sure there are a few who would go through withdrawal and require rehab without ATOT, but other than that, ATOT is not physically addictive. Marijuana is the same way.
IronWing
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So you believe the effects of smoking pot are worse than the effects of getting arrested, dragged into court, fined, thrown in jail, and fired?
Do you believe the effects smoking pot are worse than the violence created by attempts to interdict pot?
Nik
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I refuse to drive drunk or stoned. I drive just fine sober but while under the influence of either, I can't drive for shit.
Those who say that everyone drives terribly while high are just as wrong as those who say that everybody drives better while high.
It depends on the person. People are affected differently. Don't assume. Don't generalize.
That's a very bad argument. Not everybody can drive stoned.
A lot of people can drive just fine while drunk (not completely wasted, but you know what I mean). Others can't. Those that can't, make it completely unacceptable for anybody to drive drunk.
If marijuana were legal, driving while under the influence would definitely be illegal.
There are carcinogens in it but those can be lowered significantly by using some sort of filtering method (like a three foot bong).
Nik
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Or a six.
Anyway, there was some news story a couple years ago about the first recorded death that was attributed to cannibis. Some guy in the UK finally keeled over after smoking multiple joints per day for 40 years. He died of some lung garbage; however, there are people still alive who smoke more than he does and have done so for longer, so I dunno.
*cough*victimlesscrime*cough*
DangerAardvark
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Anyone who is anti-marijuana is an idiot. Either they have never tried it and are closed minded or have some metal defect which the pot brings out.
If you don't like it, don't do it. But as long as alcohol is legal, I will never understand as to why marijuana isn't. Or at least decriminalized.
The worst thing marijuana can do is get you busted, which is a crock of shit.
If you don't like it, don't do it. But as long as alcohol is legal, I will never understand as to why marijuana isn't. Or at least decriminalized.
The worst thing marijuana can do is get you busted, which is a crock of shit.
Oceandevi
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Sorry bud these were even worse comparisons. A color/smell is not getting you high. You HAVE to go piss, again with the strange habit of comparing weed addiction to bodily function...
You are not required to smoke cannabis. You chose to do so for the feeling it gives you.
DefDC
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I used to smoke a lot of pot. While in college I'd go through phases of where I'd like to drink a lot and not smoke at all, and vice versa. Lucky for me, I ended up enjoying drinking more, so I don't have to deal with the legal bullshit. I'm only saying this to show that I have a good deal of experience with recreational chemicals. That said...
I have buddies who became every day smokers and never quit. One of them moved in with me and wanted to quit smoking to start a new job. As he tried to detox, he was getting the cold shakes, night terrors, and mild convulsions. It wasn't pretty. He needed real rehab.
One of my family members is an everyday smoker, and when he visits and has no weed available, he becomes a raging asshole, to the point where he's fairly mentally unstable. If he smoking, he's fine...
It *CAN BE* addictive and there *CAN BE* side effects. HOWEVER, MODERATION is the key. I've never seen a weekend smoker have a problem of any kind. I can't really blame the weed for being addictive. People who drink a six pack of Mt Dew a day are a MESS when they try to go cold turkey. People who only smoke cigarettes when they go the bars generally aren't addicted. Weekend drinkers don't tend to have alcohol problems. (usually)
All that said, I ABSOLUTELY think it should be legalized. Our war on drugs is retarded. And from the previous post, more families are torn apart by the legal system's prohibition on MJ than by any effects of the drugs itself. MJ is LESS intense than alcohol. If something had to be illegal, get rid of booze. It kills people every day. (But, seriously, don't take my booze)
OP, what kind of "suffering" are you talking about?
I have buddies who became every day smokers and never quit. One of them moved in with me and wanted to quit smoking to start a new job. As he tried to detox, he was getting the cold shakes, night terrors, and mild convulsions. It wasn't pretty. He needed real rehab.
One of my family members is an everyday smoker, and when he visits and has no weed available, he becomes a raging asshole, to the point where he's fairly mentally unstable. If he smoking, he's fine...
It *CAN BE* addictive and there *CAN BE* side effects. HOWEVER, MODERATION is the key. I've never seen a weekend smoker have a problem of any kind. I can't really blame the weed for being addictive. People who drink a six pack of Mt Dew a day are a MESS when they try to go cold turkey. People who only smoke cigarettes when they go the bars generally aren't addicted. Weekend drinkers don't tend to have alcohol problems. (usually)
All that said, I ABSOLUTELY think it should be legalized. Our war on drugs is retarded. And from the previous post, more families are torn apart by the legal system's prohibition on MJ than by any effects of the drugs itself. MJ is LESS intense than alcohol. If something had to be illegal, get rid of booze. It kills people every day. (But, seriously, don't take my booze)
OP, what kind of "suffering" are you talking about?
War on drugs is pretty dumb. I've talked to a few buddies of mine that are cops and they are even convinced that if we made marijuana legal then the laws would be better. But they also agree that it should be illegal to do the same things that you can't do when you are drinking such as driving. Everyone has heard "yeah, make it legal, so we can tax it like everything else" which is a good idea too. But anyway.
This topic is really about smoking weed and its effects. I compare smoking weed to being addicted to a video game, something like WoW. You think about it during the day, especially in high stress situations where all you want to do is relax. You clear that part of your schedule and free your time up so you can just sit and smoke. You anticipate it and are finally glad when you get your chance to start smoking after the day is done. And that's that. Its because of that reason that I don't like to do either - gaming or smoking. Rather then spend time with the girl or go to the gym or do something to the house I would just sit in my office all day gaming, wasting time when I could be bettering myself.
This topic is really about smoking weed and its effects. I compare smoking weed to being addicted to a video game, something like WoW. You think about it during the day, especially in high stress situations where all you want to do is relax. You clear that part of your schedule and free your time up so you can just sit and smoke. You anticipate it and are finally glad when you get your chance to start smoking after the day is done. And that's that. Its because of that reason that I don't like to do either - gaming or smoking. Rather then spend time with the girl or go to the gym or do something to the house I would just sit in my office all day gaming, wasting time when I could be bettering myself.
NikolaeVarius
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Its different. When people have "fun" in a "normal" way ie. Sports, gaming, the hormones that let you "enjoy" it is released by you own body. However, things like MJ artificially cause the release of these chemicals. I don't like it when my body is being messed with in ways that is not needed.
Anyway, I don't feel like I need MJ. I think its retarded when people use it. You become stupid. VERY stupid, and users don't realize. I've seen friends while high, and they think running into a concrete wall at full speed is the funniest thing ever. I have friends that quit because they realized they would probably end up killing themselves while high after i showed them videos of what they were doing.
That's either your friends are attention whores, or they were doing more than smoking pot.
And the bolded part.... is one of the more asanine comments I've seen lately.
DefDC
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So, you've never done it, and you KNOW it's a stupid thing to do.
Also, it sounds like your friends might have been doing that stuff without the weed.
ALL of my friends, myself included, would pretty much listen to music, watch the tube, and maybe eat too much. As opposed to weekend drinkers that would get drunk, watch the game, and maybe eat too much...
Not the healthiest lifestyle, but mostly harmless...
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