Another 'vaping is bad for you' article

[Charmonium]

TL;DR - the amount of toxins varies with voltage and goes exponential as voltage increases. Also, additional toxins come from gunk that gets baked onto the coils.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/vaping’s-toxic-vapors-come-mainly-e-liquid-solvents

 

[master_shake_]

I hear vaping also rapes your grandmother and kicks your dog.

Ban it!!

Ban everything!!

And while we are at it the government needs to publish a list of things we can put in our bodies.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Any kind of smoke or chemicals you put in your lungs is probably not very good for you. That said depending on the ejuice and stuff it's probably still better than regular cigs. I think it can be a good tool to try to stop smoking or just to switch to something safer, but if you don't smoke then you're not really doing yourself a favour to start vaping.

 

[KeithTalent]

It sure looks stupid.

KT

 

[DigDog]

all chemicals also found in regular cigarette combustion.

 

[darkswordsman17]

This is really interesting. I wonder if they can find a way to limit the harmful aspects. The other thing here is that it could actually provide a boost to battery life.

I hear vaping also rapes your grandmother and kicks your dog.

Ban it!!

Ban everything!!

And while we are at it the government needs to publish a list of things we can put in our bodies.

Um, so them doing actual research to find out what vaping is producing is somehow evil? Some of you people are so fucked in the head its gotten stupid.

all chemicals also found in regular cigarette combustion.

Which isn't the point. Just because its better than cigarettes doesn't mean we shouldn't be every bit as critical of its use. In fact, because of how many of the companies have been making claims about it being healthy for you, we should be even more critical (just like how we should be able to call BS on companies making food that isn't healthy when they claim it is, like sports drinks).

I've also seen quite a few people that were not heavy smokers that are very heavy vapers because they think it isn't as detrimental to their health.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

What's more dangerous? Vaping or
telling a woman she has a fat ass?

All things considered vaping doesn't look that bad.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Ignorance and denial are bliss.......

 

[JEDIYoda]

Gotta Love this!! Go back 30 or 40 years ago and you will get people making fun of the science that says smoking is bad for you! Love those who are in denial....sort of like Global warming...lolol

 

[DigDog]

why are you even making an argument out of this? it's been said time and again and you are making a "ignorance and bliss" out of it. vaping is bad but less bad than smoking cigarettes. ok?

now you know so please stop pretending you don't every time there's a vaping thread.

 

[lxskllr]

And while we are at it the government needs to publish a list of things we can put in our bodies.

They could put it on a convenient laminated card so you can carry it in your cell phone case.

 

[clamum]

Guess I should turn down my voltage a bit (I think it's at about 4.1 v).

 

[poofyhairguy]

Woot woot. 3.3v here.

 

[Oyeve]

real men only smoke tobacco. Wusses.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

real men only chew tobacco. Wusses.

FTFY

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm very anti-vaping. My son better not start doing this or we're going to have a problem.

 

[flexy]

I am a vaper but I have no reason to be biased.

This study doesn't help me form an opinion.

* We can assume that formaldehyde is in many common household items, it can even be "sweat out" by glue that's used in cheap furniture.

I have not one idea about "safe" or "normal" levels of formaldehyde, so those numbers don't tell me ANYTHING about the safety of vaping.

* They refer to that higher voltages create more toxins and also refer to baked coils. This is clear, when you have a "baked coil" you can already TASTE that what you vape can for sure not be "healthy". It tastes like shit, so to speak.

Those numbers don't say whether the measured levels were on new, clean coils or old, baked coils. (I have read that some researchers did studies actually with gunky, baked coils to write something some abstruse numbers of formaldehyde etc. levels...except that no sane vaper is vaping on old, baked coils)

* He mentions that higher voltage releases more toxins, this makes total sense.

BUT it's not about the voltage per-se but the temperature of the coil and the liquid. Their information about voltages is useless because we dont know what device they used at what ohms/resistance.

For example, for an atty that uses an 1.5 Ohms coil and when you vape at about 15W like I do, you use about 4.8-4.9V to get to this wattage.

With a subohm atty (0.5 Ohms), at the same voltage of 4.8V you would get 46W.

The latter would (correct me if I am wrong) have a MUCH higher coil temp...it also produces much hotter vape and more intensive flavor (as compared to not-sub ohm vaping)..so we can assume also higher levels of harmful stuff. ...saying the "voltage" they refer to by itself is relatively meaningless.

** (See above) It would have helped a lot if they would have used coil temps instead where they could possibly have measured higher levels of harmful stuff at higher temps....this would be helpful since newer atties/mods have temperature control which allows to keep coils at a set (and thus "safer" temperature.) Even Watts would be more meaningful than their reference to Volts.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I have a question for vapers: Did you smoke before you started vaping or is vaping a habit you've picked up independently of smoking?

If you started vaping and you weren't a smoker prior to this I have a followup question: Why on earth did you start vaping? Are you stupid?

 

[Oyeve]

I have a question for vapers: Did you smoke before you started vaping or is vaping a habit you've picked up independently of smoking?

If you started vaping and you weren't a smoker prior to this I have a followup question: Why on earth did you start vaping? Are you stupid?

^This. I can see vaping to get off/quit cigarettes but to vape for the sake of vaping is almost as asinine as smoking cigarettes. I am a cig smoker. Smoking was the worse thing I ever started way back.

 

[flexy]

OF COURSE I was smoking before.

But question back:

Do you also call people who eat ice cream or who like candy or bubble gum "stupid"? I am pretty sure that ingredients in candy/bubble gum etc. (food colors, sweeteners, preservatives etc.) are not exactly "healthy" either, in fact some of those ingredients are proven carcinogens...not to mention the sugars etc.

So if you have such an anti-stance against vaping...you should in all fairness extend your dislike also to people who eat candies, chew gum...or even those who eat unhealthy foods like frozen pizzas. Because, after all, research is NOT that conclusive that vaping is SO MUCH MORE "UNHEALTHY" than those things.

 

[purbeast0]

are you really comparing a habit such as smoking where many people smoke a pack+ of cigarettes a day to someone eating a bowl of ice cream once or twice a week?

if someone a tub of ice cream daily for years or frozen pizzas daily for years, yes, i would call them stupid, and probably also fat and lazy.

 

[amdhunter]

Damn, I was going to check out a local vape shop here later today. I like hookah, but was looking for something less dangerous.

I don't want anything with nicotine - just the smoke with flavor to enjoy when I am drinking rum with the wife on Friday and Saturday nights.

 

[flexy]

vape for the sake of vaping

I do indeed vape "for the sake of vaping", although I wont deny it is a habit thing that, say, when working, gaming or etc. "I want something in my mouth"...this is UNLOGICAL, no-question, but not more unlogical than people who chew gum etc. as mentioned above.

I don't see vaping as an "aid to quit smoking", this issue is resolved anyway since the instant I started vaping I DID INDEED QUIT SMOKING.

Vaping is a "hobby" to me, not just for enjoying the flavour "and have something in my mouth that tastes good" but also looking at mods, coil building, mixing own ejuices etc. It CAN get quite involved and interesting, so calling it a "hobby" is justified.

YET, I wouldn't condone someone should "start vaping" "for vaping's sake", but I would also not tell someone they NEED to start chewing gum. All of those things "don't make sense" in a certain way, but it just happens that we humans often do and enjoy "unlogical" things, and vaping certainly is among them.

 

[flexy]

are you really comparing a habit such as smoking where many people smoke a pack+ of cigarettes a day to someone eating a bowl of ice cream once or twice a week?

if someone a tub of ice cream daily for years or frozen pizzas daily for years, yes, i would call them stupid, and probably also fat and lazy.

No, we're talking about vaping, not smoking.

Unless there is CLEAR evidence about the dangers of vaping, I think it's justified to compare vaping to consuming ice cream or gummy candy. The comparison is NOT that far-fetched. Give me a clear study proving vaping posing a significant risk, I will happily retract my statement and admit being wrong.

 

[purbeast0]

No, we're talking about vaping, not smoking.

Unless there is CLEAR evidence about the dangers of vaping, I think it's justified to compare vaping to consuming ice cream or gummy candy. The comparison is NOT that far-fetched. Give me a clear study proving vaping posing a significant risk, I will happily retract my statement and admit being wrong.

most people i know who vape that were previously cigarette smokers (which is only 2 people so not a huge sample size) use their e-cig about as much as they did normal cigs.