"another snub against Socialist governments in Europe"

[heartsurgeon]

Incumbent Socialists in Greece concede in national elections

Greece?s conservatives appeared victorious Sunday in parliamentary elections to determine who will steer the country through preparations for the Athens Olympics this summer and tricky negotiations with Turkey over the fate of Cyprus...Greece?s Socialist leader, George Papandreou, conceded defeat...the vote ended Pasok?s decade-long control of the country and was another snub against Socialist governments in Europe.

 

[CanOWorms]

Did it follow current trends in Europe to elect leaders wanting to erect concentration camps and gas chambers?

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Did it follow current trends in Europe to elect leaders wanting to erect concentration camps and gas chambers?

no telling.

at least hitler and the german national socialist party(AKA nazi party) are taken care of .

 

[SuperTool]

Cold war is over. Time to move on.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Did it follow current trends in Europe to elect leaders wanting to erect concentration camps and gas chambers?

can you give some specific names of such elected leaders

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Cold war is over. Time to move on.

exactly. leave socialism dead in the past, where its failed reamins may rest in piece.

 

[Colt45]

Socialism isn't dead, and it isn't going to die any time soon.


Try running a democratic country with very minimal or no socialist measures.. the poor will throw a coup and/or kill the rich and/or steal the rich into poverty.

I suppose a tolitarian regime and lots of guns could prevent this for a while...

 

[Ferocious]

The Greeks voted for a change.

Americans would be wise to do the same.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Did it follow current trends in Europe to elect leaders wanting to erect concentration camps and gas chambers?

What "Current trends" would that be? Do you actually know anything about Europe? Have you been there? Incase you didn't know, leaders in europe aren't in the habit of "erecting concentration camps and gas chambers". Unless you're talking about hitler, in which case, you're about 50 or so years off track. And I wouldn't exactly call 50 or so years ago "current". But, feel free to live in your little fantasy world.

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
no telling.

You mean you don't know, right? How hard can it be for you to say "I don't know"?

at least hitler and the german national socialist party(AKA nazi party) are taken care of .

Yeah, well, that was over 50 years ago. That's not "current". CanOWorms is fallowing the same "trend" as those anti-US bashers, spewing out propaganda and half-truths, most likely because he doesn't know any better.

 

[0roo0roo]

What "Current trends" would that be? Do you actually know anything about Europe? Have you been there? Incase you didn't know, leaders in europe aren't in the habit of "erecting concentration camps and gas chambers". Unless you're talking about hitler, in which case, you're about 50 or so years off track. And I wouldn't exactly call 50 or so years ago "current". But, feel free to live in your little fantasy world.

i think he's refering to the recent austrian elections.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i think he's refering to the recent austrian elections.

I see. I wasn't aware the current austrian leader has been opening up concentration camps. Then again, I didn't fallow the recent election in austria. But it would be nice (and I'm sure you would agree with me here) that he provide some FACTUAL evidence to back up his claim. So far I haven't seen any "fact" or "proof" of any of these so called camps that have been opened in recent years, from him.

Now, I'm not denying the possibility that new camps might have been opened, but unlike him, I'm not claiming something without providing proof of what I'm saying.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

What "Current trends" would that be? Do you actually know anything about Europe? Have you been there? Incase you didn't know, leaders in europe aren't in the habit of "erecting concentration camps and gas chambers". Unless you're talking about hitler, in which case, you're about 50 or so years off track. And I wouldn't exactly call 50 or so years ago "current". But, feel free to live in your little fantasy world.

i think he's refering to the recent austrian elections.

if I remember correctly the last federal elections in Austria were in 2002 and the extreme right lost big time
they are still very strong in Haider home state (their were regional elections not so long ago where he had a lot of votes)

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: JackStorm


Yeah, well, that was over 50 years ago. That's not "current". CanOWorms is fallowing the same "trend" as those anti-US bashers, spewing out propaganda and half-truths, most likely because he doesn't know any better.

those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

many who lived through it still remember it and are around to tell us about it, that makes it "current"

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

True, I agree with that statement. But no one here is forgetting anything.

many who lived through it still remember it and are around to tell us about it, that makes it "current"

Well, that's like saying "The US currently has a trend of dropping a-bombs on countries" since they dropped them on two city's in Japan at that time. So, I'm not sure I agree with your definition of "current".

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Did it follow current trends in Europe to elect leaders wanting to erect concentration camps and gas chambers?

What "Current trends" would that be? Do you actually know anything about Europe? Have you been there? Incase you didn't know, leaders in europe aren't in the habit of "erecting concentration camps and gas chambers". Unless you're talking about hitler, in which case, you're about 50 or so years off track. And I wouldn't exactly call 50 or so years ago "current". But, feel free to live in your little fantasy world.

Do you know anything about Europe? I'm assuming you live there, so it's pretty shocking that you don't know what's happening.

I'm talking about European governments and societies stance on foreigners and immigrants.

I'm talking about:
Italy deciding to punish Chinese immigrants for being successful.
The Netherlands proclaiming harshly that multi-culturalism has failed.
The German state deciding to only punish Muslims and nobody else.
The German official proclaiming that a possible new Holocaust may be beginning.
The rise of anti-foreign sentiment and hate permeating all facets of society in many European countries.
etc.

This will not lead to any good.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Do you know anything about Europe? I'm assuming you live there, so it's pretty shocking that you don't know what's happening.

You are correct in assuming that I "currently" live in europe. I've lived and worked in quite a few places (or should I say countries?) such as, Sweden (currently) Germany (while I was working there) and *gasp* U.S.A. (Which would explain why the Bush/US bashers that popup now and then annoy me) I've moved alot in my life time. And quite franky, I enjoy(ed) living in all these places. And they all have their positive and negative sides.

Now, about you being shocked. Well, no one can possibly fallow what goes on in EVERY country they share a continent with. So I don't see why you are so shocked if I've missed an event/situation that might or might not have happend.

I'm talking about European governments and societies stance on foreigners and immigrants.

I'm talking about:
Italy deciding to punish Chinese immigrants for being successful.
The Netherlands proclaiming harshly that multi-culturalism has failed.
The German state deciding to only punish Muslims and nobody else.
The German official proclaiming that a possible new Holocaust may be beginning.
The rise of anti-foreign sentiment and hate permeating all facets of society in many European countries.
etc.

I haven't been fallowing your thread about "The German official proclaiming that a possible new Holocaust may be beginning. " But I can tell you, from living there, that Germans (specially those who remember or lived in nazi germany) aren't in any hurry to elect another Hitler type or allow something like that to happen again. Only the extremists (and there are extremists in pretty much all countries) would want something like that. And I don't see them gaining any significant foodhold again in the near future.

This will not lead to any good.

Agreed, that sorta behavior does no one any good. But people behave like this in ALL countries to some degree (Yes, even in the US).

Now, you still haven't shown any fact proving this "current trend in Europe to elect leaders wanting to erect concentration camps and gas chambers" If you have an url or some kinda proof/fact to back that up, then do me a favor and provide that proof. Because if you don't provide some kinda proof, I'll just assume you're avoiding the issue. Which means any further discussion will be pointless.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Do you know anything about Europe? I'm assuming you live there, so it's pretty shocking that you don't know what's happening.

I haven't been fallowing your thread about "The German official proclaiming that a possible new Holocaust may be beginning. " But I can tell you, from living there, that Germans (specially those who remember or lived in nazi germany) aren't in any hurry to elect another Hitler type or allow something like that to happen again. Only the extremists (and there are extremists in pretty much all countries) would want something like that. And I don't see them gaining any significant foodhold again in the near future.

Look at the Netherlands. The right and left both have adopted horrible attitudes. These ideas have become mainstream. These are no longer the ideas of extremists.

I've stated many times that the US or any other country isn't without its own problems, too. However, the current trend in Europe is very, very disturbing.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Look at the Netherlands. The right and left both have adopted horrible attitudes. These ideas have become mainstream. These are no longer the ideas of extremists.

I've stated many times that the US or any other country isn't without its own problems, too. However, the current trend in Europe is very, very disturbing.

Well, I've never been to the Netherlands nor do I fallow their internal politics. So I cant comment on that. But I do know one thing, if something happens in The netherlands, that does not mean it's suddenly a trend in the rest of europe (since europe is continent, not a country, like some people seem to think when they mass label the whole damn continent due to what one or two countries there do).

Also, this whole US vs Europe and [insert-random-country-that-didn't-support-Iraq-war] vs US things, thats been going on since the Iraq war, is getting quite ridiculous. Countries that supported (and still do) the war on terror when the US went into Afganistan, are now being bashed because they don't agree with the Iraq war. It's quite petty and childish.

Now, my question is, have you been to the Netherlands? And if your answer is no, then how can you claim it's a "mainstream" way of thinking? If your answer is, yes, then do fill me in on the details, since I'm always interested in knowing what's doing on in the world.

P.S: We're getting way off topic (Not that this topic was ever on track to begin with), so lets wrap up this discussion with a neat little answer to either of my main questions

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Look at the Netherlands. The right and left both have adopted horrible attitudes. These ideas have become mainstream. These are no longer the ideas of extremists.

I've stated many times that the US or any other country isn't without its own problems, too. However, the current trend in Europe is very, very disturbing.

Well, I've never been to the Netherlands nor do I fallow their internal politics. So I cant comment on that. But I do know one thing, if something happens in The netherlands, that does not mean it's suddenly a trend in the rest of europe (since europe is continent, not a country, like some people seem to think when they mass label the whole damn continent due to what one or two countries there do).

Also, this whole US vs Europe and [insert-random-country-that-didn't-support-Iraq-war] vs US things, thats been going on since the Iraq war, is getting quite ridiculous. Countries that supported (and still do) the war on terror when the US went into Afganistan, are now being bashed because they don't agree with the Iraq war. It's quite petty and childish.

Now, my question is, have you been to the Netherlands? And if your answer is no, then how can you claim it's a "mainstream" way of thinking? If your answer is, yes, then do fill me in on the details, since I'm always interested in knowing what's doing on in the world.

P.S: We're getting way off topic (Not that this topic was ever on track to begin with), so lets wrap up this discussion with a neat little answer to either of my main questions

It is spreading throughout Europe. It has spread to the Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, France, Germany, Italy... and it's not trivial action by a few (like the beating of a Jew or Muslim by a gang). There are government-sanctioned actions or widespread societal support.

I have no clue what you're talking about with this US vs. Europe and Iraq war thing. I don't care about that. Even if I did, didn't the Netherlands and Italy support the US?

And yes, I've been to the Netherlands, but not for an extended amount of time. What happened to me there made me start looking into Europe and European society's views. Anyways, you don't have to be somewhere to realize what's mainstream or not. I haven't been to England, but I know soccer/football is in the mainstream. There are more ways to be informed than personally being somewhere. I suggest you read my thread to see why I'm concerned about this.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I have no clue what you're talking about with this US vs. Europe and Iraq war thing. I don't care about that. Even if I did, didn't the Netherlands and Italy support the US?

I'm refering to all the french bashing that's been going on (not just on this forum), the "Anti-semitism is on a rise in europe (while leaving out the fact that it's on the rise in the US as well)" argument, and the "Them vs us" mentality. Don't tell me you haven't noticed it?

And yes, I've been to the Netherlands, but not for an extended amount of time.

Ok, so now I can at leat assume you're not just talking out off your ass, like some people. Now I can assume that you might actually be basing your claim about the Netherlands on fact/experience, not just opinion or what you've heard. Thanks for clearing that up.

What happened to me there made me start looking into Europe and European society's views.

Ah, I see. Well, good to see your actually taking the time to do some research. And sorry to hear you had a bad experience. I've never had any major problems myself when I moved around (No, that doesn't mean I didn't have ANY problems, there are pro's and con's to every country).

Anyways, you don't have to be somewhere to realize what's mainstream or not. I haven't been to England, but I
know soccer/football is in the mainstream. There are more ways to be informed than personally being somewhere.

True, you don't HAVE to be there. But being there helps validate what might be a persons (yours in this case) preconsived idea or opinion.

I suggest you read my thread to see why I'm concerned about this.

I might just do that if I get the time later today or tomorrow. Anyway, thanks for clearing up at least one of my questions.