Another Snake In The Grass Uncovered

jpeyton

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UBS listed him as a lobbyist until April 2008, and he still sits on the bank's board, yet Sidney thinks it's prudent to have this man develop his campaign economic policy. Nevermind the fact that Gramm was one of the architects behind some of the biggest deregulatory disasters of the past decade, or the fact that he's continuing to push the banking industry's agenda through McCain's policy speeches. How can we expect any serious reforms from a McCain presidency when the man is filling his ranks with lobbyists and special interests just to get elected?

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Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain?s national campaign general co-chair was being paid by a Swiss bank to lobby Congress about the U.S. mortgage crisis at the same time he was advising McCain about his economic policy, federal records show.

?Countdown with Keith Olbermann? reported Tuesday night that lobbying disclosure forms, filed by the giant Swiss bank UBS, list McCain?s campaign co-chair, former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm, as a lobbyist dealing specifically with legislation regarding the mortgage crisis as recently as Dec. 31, 2007.

Gramm joined the bank in 2002 and had registered as a lobbyist by 2004. UBS filed paperwork deregistering Gramm on April 18 of this year. Gramm continues to serve as a UBS vice chairman.

News of Gramm?s involvement as a paid advocate for the banking industry, simultaneous with his unpaid work on McCain?s economic policies, comes as McCain?s campaign continues to reel from the purge of four other lobbyists. Two weeks ago, McCain banned lobbyists from advising him on the same subjects covered by their lobbying work.

As early as October, 2006, RealClearPolitics.com reported that Gramm was advising McCain on economic issues. Politico.com quoted McCain advisors saying that Gramm had input on McCain?s March 26 policy speech about the mortgage crisis. McCain himself has often cited Gramm?s influence as a way to establish his bona fides with economic conservatives.

When Gramm chaired the Senate Banking Committee, he wrote and passed deregulatory legislation in more than one industry, establishing himself as a pre-eminent foe of government regulation. McCain?s March 26 speech recommended further deregulation of the banking industry as his response to the mortgage crisis.

McCain and Gramm have been friends for more than a decade. McCain chaired Gramm?s 1996 presidential run and Gramm says the two men speak every day. McCain reportedly has hinted Gramm might serve as his Treasury secretary.

Last summer, Gramm was widely credited with saving McCain?s presidential campaign.

But even before lobbying emerged as an issue, some of his own advisors told the Washington Post last month that they questioned how Gramm?s legislative record might affect McCain?s campaign.

After Gramm passed a law easing regulation of energy-commodity trading, California experienced a sharp run-up in energy costs. The energy-trading company Enron was blamed and soon collapsed.

In 1999, Gramm successfully undid the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act, removing the decades-old wall between commercial banking, which was heavily regulated, and investment banking, which was not. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act did not extend significant new regulation to investment banking.

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said that Gramm is "not benefitting from John McCain's plan." He also said that McCain preferred to focus on homeowners "truly in need" and opposed bailouts for affected banks, an aspect of the crisis that was not addressed in "Countdown's" report.

Some economists fault Gramm?s deregulatory successes, as well as lax enforcement of remaining oversight powers, not just for the subprime mortgage crisis, but for its spread to other sectors of finance. Even Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has expressed interest in toughening regulations.

Jared Bernstein of the Economic Policy Institute told the Washington Post, ?McCain is counting on people having very short memories and not connecting some pretty obvious dots here.?

The final UBS form listing Gramm?s work as a lobbyist says he was lobbying the Senate in the second half of 2007 regarding the Helping Families Save Their Homes in Bankruptcy Act. The bill would have let bankruptcy judges rewrite mortgage terms for Americans facing foreclosure so they could repay their loans and keep their homes.

The banking industry opposed this measure. The bill failed.
 

nageov3t

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are we reaching the point where we just need a single "jpeyton does not care for John McCain" comprehensive thread? lol.
 

DealMonkey

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Putting foxes in charge of the hen house is an old, old GOP favorite. Bush the lesser elevated it to new heights, why would Grampy McSame be any different?
 

mshan

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RNC is going to try and raise $120 million for McCain.

Who do you think controls the strings of this "maverick" puppet from Arizona?


BHO
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: loki8481
are we reaching the point where we just need a single "jpeyton does not care for John McCain" comprehensive thread? lol.

If this was a trollish post I would say yes but this is pertinent info (IMO).
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: loki8481
are we reaching the point where we just need a single "jpeyton does not care for John McCain" comprehensive thread? lol.

No no we need a single jpeyton's RSS feed McSame, McShame, McLame, Mc I am a slogan repeating bot thread.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: loki8481
are we reaching the point where we just need a single "jpeyton does not care for John McCain" comprehensive thread? lol.

No no we need a single jpeyton's RSS feed McSame, McShame, McLame, Mc I am a slogan repeating bot thread.

Thread crapping, Genx87's favorite pastime. How about reading and commenting on the content, instead of just the part that makes you cry?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: loki8481
are we reaching the point where we just need a single "jpeyton does not care for John McCain" comprehensive thread? lol.

No no we need a single jpeyton's RSS feed McSame, McShame, McLame, Mc I am a slogan repeating bot thread.

Thread crapping, Genx87's favorite pastime. How about reading and commenting on the content, instead of just the part that makes you cry?

Hahahahahahahaha
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: loki8481
are we reaching the point where we just need a single "jpeyton does not care for John McCain" comprehensive thread? lol.

No no we need a single jpeyton's RSS feed McSame, McShame, McLame, Mc I am a slogan repeating bot thread.

Thread crapping, Genx87's favorite pastime. How about reading and commenting on the content, instead of just the part that makes you cry?

Hahahahahahahaha

You have still yet to address the OT. I'll be direct for you so that you can't claim that you think that it is too vague for you to address:

Do you think that McCain is being duplicitous/hypocritical in claiming to want to put an end to lobbyist influence while surrounding himself with and talking about appointing lobbyists to cabinet positions?

As a follow up, what is your viewpoint on lobbyists role in the political process and should any lobbyist be allowed to serve in an advisory position?
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: loki8481
are we reaching the point where we just need a single "jpeyton does not care for John McCain" comprehensive thread? lol.

No, we should be thanking him for posting important new info about McSame's deep relationships with the McSame old K Street lobbiests and corrupt power brokers who have been running our nation so deep into so many holes for so many years for their own profit. :thumbsup:
 

ayabe

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Here is the real issue with this disingenuos MF-

Phil Gramm is the guy who spearheaded legislation deregulating energy futures trading(which brought on the Enron debacle) and was involved in the repeal of Glass-Steagal Act which brought us the mortgage crises. Not to mention actively lobbying to keep Congress from cleaning this mess up.

Edit- This was in the OP, just felt like reiterating it because it's so offensive.

Fuck this guy and fuck McCain.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So McCain was FOR lobbyists before he was AGAINST them?

Bwaaahahahaha! :p

No no no, he was for campaign finance reform before he was against it.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Here is the real issue with this disingenuos MF-

Phil Gramm is the guy who spearheaded legislation deregulating energy futures trading(which brought on the Enron debacle) and was involved in the repeal of Glass-Steagal Act which brought us the mortgage crises. Not to mention actively lobbying to keep Congress from cleaning this mess up.

Edit- This was in the OP, just felt like reiterating it because it's so offensive.

Fuck this guy and fuck McCain.

yep, he spearheaded them and Clinton signed them into law, but Gramm gets the blame. :roll:
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: ayabe
Here is the real issue with this disingenuos MF-

Phil Gramm is the guy who spearheaded legislation deregulating energy futures trading(which brought on the Enron debacle) and was involved in the repeal of Glass-Steagal Act which brought us the mortgage crises. Not to mention actively lobbying to keep Congress from cleaning this mess up.

Edit- This was in the OP, just felt like reiterating it because it's so offensive.

Fuck this guy and fuck McCain.

yep, he spearheaded them and Clinton signed them into law, but Gramm gets the blame. :roll:

You just don't get it do you?

 

Robor

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: ayabe
Here is the real issue with this disingenuos MF-

Phil Gramm is the guy who spearheaded legislation deregulating energy futures trading(which brought on the Enron debacle) and was involved in the repeal of Glass-Steagal Act which brought us the mortgage crises. Not to mention actively lobbying to keep Congress from cleaning this mess up.

Edit- This was in the OP, just felt like reiterating it because it's so offensive.

Fuck this guy and fuck McCain.

yep, he spearheaded them and Clinton signed them into law, but Gramm gets the blame. :roll:

You just don't get it do you?

No, it's you that don't get it. It's the (D)s fault for:

  • Housing crisis
    US Economy (past, present, and future)
    Voting for the Iraq war
    Continuing to fund the war
    Gas prices
    Food prices
    US Deficit
    Poor world opinion of the US
    GWB&Co (because Kerry couldn't beat him)

It doesn't matter if it was screwed up by GWB&Co and his rubber stamping congress. The (D)'s have had ~18 months to create a utopia and it hasn't happened. It's all the Dems fault.


/sarcasm
 

trenchfoot

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lol, the folks that mccain wants to disassociate himself from *for appearance's sake* (only?) are the very ones he has to rely on for funding and running his campaign.

what a frick'in mess. rove, where are you? oh yeah, i just remembered: rove is out there with his hands full defending himself against mcclellan's comments about him in his tell-all bookbomb. lol

man, this is more fun than i ever thought could occur this early in the campaigns.

 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
UBS listed him as a lobbyist until April 2008, and he still sits on the bank's board, yet Sidney thinks it's prudent to have this man develop his campaign economic policy. Nevermind the fact that Gramm was one of the architects behind some of the biggest deregulatory disasters of the past decade, or the fact that he's continuing to push the banking industry's agenda through McCain's policy speeches. How can we expect any serious reforms from a McCain presidency when the man is filling his ranks with lobbyists and special interests just to get elected?
Please tell me who SHOULD we ask to develop economic policy for the country?

Just a few examples of 'insiders' working in the White House

Current Sec of Treasury was CEO of Goldman Sachs.
Clinton's first Sec of the Treasury was also a Texas Senator, his second was a partner with Goldman Sachs.
Reagan's Sec of T. Donald Regan was CEO of Merrill Lynch.
One of Kennedy's Sec of T's was the head of a major investment bank.

Let's fact the fact that the most talented and knowledgeable people when it comes to economic policy either work for banks/Wall Street or lobby for banks/Wall Street. It would be foolish to disqualify these people because of their past jobs.