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rudeguy said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

Please show me data that says these shootings are happening more frequently.
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You cannot seriously be comparing the Ohio National Guard shooting unarmed protestors to random mall/school shootings. Comparing the anti-war movement during the late 1960's-1970's to random school/mall/whatever shootings of today is just bafflingly stupid, to say the least.

And that shooting was one of the worst "endings" of an anti-war protest, protests that swept across the country during the Vietnam era, that the country saw. It can be argued it may have been the watershed point from which dissent against the war in Vietnam became the norm instead of being considered a communist movement or just a band of hippies waving signs.
 
mnewsham said:
well Colombia is pretty obviously a segregated town still, you can drive around neighrborhoods of townhomes with mostly latino/black/indian residents. Then 5 blocks away it's $1.5M+ 5-7Bedroom mansions. So yes Columbia is fairly wealthy, but there are pockets of poor folk in there, just somewhat hidden.
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Growing up in Columbia (70s-90s) this is so far off base. It is possibly the most integrated place in the world, rich, poor, race etc. When I left I never found a place that is even close to it. Yes it does have subsidized housing, often next to high end housing and golf courses and there is a natural divide between these groups, but the people there never let that get between them. And no the poorer neighborhoods are not hidden. In fact fencing is generally discouraged as are lawn ornaments ironically.

There has been a influx of minorities, but having such a large population 97k this is only natural. There are poor and rich people of all races.

As for the streets, it is and will continue to be the most confusing place to drive evar.
 
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OILFIELDTRASH said:
Great. So innocent people have been getting slaughtered by gun nuts for half a century. Not really sure how that's helping your argument.
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in 1960 the murder and nonnegligent manslaughter count was 5.1 per 100k
in the 80's it peaked as high as 10.2 per 100k. It is now back below the 1960's level, in 2012 it was down at 4.7 per 100k.


The idea that crime and murder is increasing is just silly, we just have a media that prays on the fears of our society. School shootings are scary things, and they pull in the viewers.
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mnewsham said:
in 1960 the murder and nonnegligent manslaughter count was 5.1 per 100k
in the 80's it peaked as high as 10.2 per 100k. It is now back below the 1960's level, in 2012 it was down at 4.7 per 100k.


The idea that crime and murder is increasing is just silly, we just have a media that prays on the fears of our society. School shootings are scary things, and they pull in the viewers.
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Awwe...poor Hugo got embarrassed out of his own thread.
 
rudeguy said:
Do you think the fact that these mass shootings generally happen in "gun free zones" is just a coincidence?
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Interesting. While demanding evidence of an increase in mass shootings you make this statement. I presume you can cite numerous cases where the shooters in these incidents have been shown to have selected them purely for them being gun free zones. Not assumption, I mean actual proof.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Interesting. While demanding evidence of an increase in mass shootings you make this statement. I presume you can cite numerous cases where the shooters in these incidents have been shown to have selected them purely for them being gun free zones. Not assumption, I mean actual proof.
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I don't recall ever saying purely for that reason. I even qualified my statement. But thanks so much for the failed attempt.
 
Schmide said:
Growing up in Columbia (70s-90s) this is so far off base. It is possibly the most integrated place in the world, rich, poor, race etc. When I left I never found a place that is even close to it. Yes it does have subsidized housing, often next to high end housing and golf courses and there is a natural divide between these groups, but the people there never let that get between them. And no the poorer neighborhoods are not hidden. In fact fencing is generally discouraged as are lawn ornaments ironically.

There has been a influx of minorities, but having such a large population 97k this is only natural. There are poor and rich people of all races.

As for the streets, it is and will continue to be the most confusing place to drive evar.
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Are you kidding? or just a little confused? That's pretty much exactly what I said. Columbia is where rich people move if they can afford it, and only poor people who live there are in the already built subsidized housing, ALL new construction is high brow white middle class oriented. Yeah it's integrated, but not as much as you think it is, even the local high schools pretty much have the "poor" kids schools and the good schools where the white and Asian kids get to go. Of the 12 high schools, 60% of black students go to 4 schools. These 4 schools also have the majority of latino students in the country.

Not as integrated as you'd think.
 
rudeguy said:
I don't recall ever saying purely for that reason. I even qualified my statement. But thanks so much for the failed attempt.
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Your implication seems to be that these locations being gun free zones played some part in the decision making process of the shooters. Is that not what you intended to imply? If not than I have no idea what the purpose of your statement is.
 
Dude I think you need to look up segregated!!!

Edit: I'll give you a quick rundown. Middle class. In my public school education, I had rich classmates including 2 of the founders children. One sadly died in a plane crash. Another went on to become a famous actor. I'll let you figure that one out. They were both multi multi millionaires going to school with average joes and some rather disadvantaged people. It continues to this day as my sister is still in the school system and can easily attest to the multi-levels of income in the system. Most well people don't send their children to private schools as the schools are rather good.

Now this isn't the case for Western Howard county but that isn't part of Columbia.
 
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Today if you're angry with the world, grab your guns and go to the mall, your work place, or the school of your choice and let it all out.
 
Schmide said:
WTF are you talking about? Although there are well intergrated areas for Montgomery county, it is not even close to Columbia.

Here have fun.

http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html

Poke around then come back.
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That map shows white/asian for the majority of columbia with small areas of black and latino in the middle, not sure what you're trying to show.
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My area on the other hand is latino and asian and black with white thrown in, there are some more heavily latino and asian areas (Korean korner on viers mill for example) but there are white people all throughout the area, where as columbia there are specific asian and white areas on that map with no blacks or hispanics at ALL.

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Anyway, if you still think you're right, go on ahead thinking whatever you'd like. Im off for a smoke
 
First I thought this might not be in P&N cause it was of better quality discussion....

Then I read the last two pages. ATOT, this is but a sample of the finer pleasures that await you in our humble abode.
 
mnewsham said:
That map shows white/asian for the majority of columbia with small areas of black and latino in the middle, not sure what you're trying to show.
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My area on the other hand is latino and asian and black with white thrown in, there are some more heavily latino and asian areas (Korean korner on viers mill for example) but there are white people all throughout the area, where as columbia there are specific asian and white areas on that map with no blacks or hispanics at ALL.

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Anyway, if you still think you're right, go on ahead thinking whatever you'd like. Im off for a smoke
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Lets zoom in a bit. Sorry color blind people. Both areas are incredibly diverse. Wheaton most certainly has more Hispanics, while Columbia has more Blacks spread throughout the whole area and certainly more Whites within the minority areas.

If this is the benchmark for segregation, the US should have better integration as a whole. At the very least this is like 1 and 2 at the top of integrated areas in the world. I'll even give you the 1 spot in terms of demographics because, it's more than just who lives where.

http://thenewvoters.news21.com/mixedrace/columbia-md

You can find many articles on Columbia explaining both sides of this. I don't think I've ever seen one on Wheaton. If there is I'd be glad to read it.

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rudeguy said:
you do realize that mass shootings are actually on the decline and have been for some time, right?
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Oh sure we believe you (/cough) but you should provide a link or two to support your statment.

BTW what's amazing is all these killings have one thing in common.
 
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