Another school shooting in TX

[trenchfoot]

So let's try this line of logic: Seeing as if it's those certain groups of gun owners who are the ones that are refusing to budge even a smidgin toward more realistic registration and background checks along with the shit stains that own and operate the NRA, shouldn't they be the ones who are to be held morally accountable for these tragedies? It seems everyone else is for more comprehensive background checks and registration regimens.

 

[Indus]

Texas Lt. Gov. Says ‘Too Many Entrances’ Possibly To Blame In School Shooting

https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/997578209104420869

Wow! So guns don't kill people, too many entrances and exits kill people.

Has anyone ever thought that if you have an active shooter, more exits to flee from might be helpful?

Why wasn't there a good entrance with a gun?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If you Americans diverted even 1/10 of the "world police" fund and taking care of your own you all would be living better.

Stop electing politicians bent on pissing on the rest of the world.

we tried. even got the majority of the population to agree on that, but some bullshit, archaic system prevented that from coming to fruition. I don't disagree with you, just wanted to point out that we did try, albeit weakly.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

But guize, if we just ban teh asalt we4poons it would fix all of this!


Oh wait...


And... oh wait... the current record holder used hand-guns....

 

[umbrella39]

Fucktard

 

[MrSquished]

But guize, if we just ban teh asalt we4poons it would fix all of this!


Oh wait...


And... oh wait... the current record holder used hand-guns....

Clearly that's an argument for no gun control at all. We should legalize heavy machine guns and have them available at corner stores.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Clearly that's an argument for no gun control at all. We should legalize heavy machine guns and have them available at corner stores.

No - what I'm saying is that banning "assault weapons" is most certainly the furthest thing from a solution. Mental health, Not popping pills related to said mental health issues, and parents that aren't pieces of shit that are involved in their kid's life, etc... lean more towards the GENERAL ideas of what I look for.

 

[MrSquished]

No - what I'm saying is that banning "assault weapons" is most certainly the furthest thing from a solution. Mental health, Not popping pills related to said mental health issues, and parents that aren't pieces of shit that are involved in their kid's life, etc... lean more towards the GENERAL ideas of what I look for.

It's part of a broad solution, and a highly symbolic one as well.

Mental healthcare? Sure. Let's see a bunch of conservatives get behind anything that makes any type of healthcare more readily available to the masses, on any kind of scale that will help prevent violence at all, let alone from troubled kids.

Hell will freeze over before right wingers do anything positive or productive with healthcare.

Speaking of popping pills, about the only thing I can see right wingers do is subsidize more popping of pills because big pharma, theyh loooooove big pharma.

 

[ivwshane]

It's part of a broad solution, and a highly symbolic one as well.

Mental healthcare? Sure. Let's see a bunch of conservatives get behind anything that makes any type of healthcare more readily available to the masses, on any kind of scale that will help prevent violence at all, let alone from troubled kids.

Hell will freeze over before right wingers do anything positive or productive with healthcare or for this country.

Speaking of popping pills, about the only thing I can see right wingers do is subsidize more popping of pills because big pharma, theyh loooooove big pharma.

Ftfy

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It's part of a broad solution, and a highly symbolic one as well.

Mental healthcare? Sure. Let's see a bunch of conservatives get behind anything that makes any type of healthcare more readily available to the masses, on any kind of scale that will help prevent violence at all, let alone from troubled kids.

Hell will freeze over before right wingers do anything positive or productive with healthcare.

Speaking of popping pills, about the only thing I can see right wingers do is subsidize more popping of pills because big pharma, theyh loooooove big pharma.

I know you folks love to generalize us - Hell you generalize conservatives more than bible-belt right-wingers generalize minorities - but the vast majority of us that aren't consumed by the ignorance of theism are actually fairly open to things in life:

Yes, we need mental health to be addressed. I find it incredibly ironic that suicide is an issue in 1st world countries, yet in 3rd world countries it is slim to none. Almost as if we have too much time to think about being depressed instead of wondering when we will get our next meal.

Healthcare? I'm fine with complete and total reform. I hate the concept of insurance for healthcare as an unnecessary "man in the middle". As long as the government doesn't run it - I'm incredibly open minded. A for-profit can run a company at 1/10 the cost of what a government entity will take for it. Government is the perfect example of the joke "How many people does it take to screw in a light bulb?"

No, I don't care about your abortions. If you want to do immoral acts then by all means, I honestly don't care - especially when it can only help eliminate idiots from the gene pool.

Big pharma? I have to take an expensive medication that charges ~$2400 for a 90 day supply. Slap regulations on them, I'm all for it - but I want REGULATION, I don't want a government entity to be created to reform it.

Ask about anything else, I promise you that I (and plenty others that you deem right-winged on here) am more close to you on issues in life than you realize.

 

[MrSquished]

I know you folks love to generalize us - Hell you generalize conservatives more than bible-belt right-wingers generalize minorities - but the vast majority of us that aren't consumed by the ignorance of theism are actually fairly open to things in life:

Yes, we need mental health to be addressed. I find it incredibly ironic that suicide is an issue in 1st world countries, yet in 3rd world countries it is slim to none. Almost as if we have too much time to think about being depressed instead of wondering when we will get our next meal.

Healthcare? I'm fine with complete and total reform. I hate the concept of insurance for healthcare as an unnecessary "man in the middle". As long as the government doesn't run it - I'm incredibly open minded. A for-profit can run a company at 1/10 the cost of what a government entity will take for it. Government is the perfect example of the joke "How many people does it take to screw in a light bulb?"

No, I don't care about your abortions. If you want to do immoral acts then by all means, I honestly don't care - especially when it can only help eliminate idiots from the gene pool.

Big pharma? I have to take an expensive medication that charges ~$2400 for a 90 day supply. Slap regulations on them, I'm all for it - but I want REGULATION, I don't want a government entity to be created to reform it.

Ask about anything else, I promise you that I (and plenty others that you deem right-winged on here) am more close to you on issues in life than you realize.

I appreciate there there are some right of center folks who are open-minded on the issue of healthcare but just look at the situation we are in. Mention some kind of easier access to healthcare reform to a right-winger and you will get outrage and called a commie, by anyone in Trumps base. Which happens to be the base of the Republican party now.

The ACA got passed, just barely. That was PRE Trump and the empowerment of the lunatic right. And look at the votes. NOT A SINGLE YES REPUBLICAN VOTE IN CONGRESS. Look at the parties that vote for what in regards to healthcare. And tell me that it's not just to make some sort of generalization about it.

 

[ivwshane]

I know you folks love to generalize us - Hell you generalize conservatives more than bible-belt right-wingers generalize minorities - but the vast majority of us that aren't consumed by the ignorance of theism are actually fairly open to things in life:

Yes, we need mental health to be addressed. I find it incredibly ironic that suicide is an issue in 1st world countries, yet in 3rd world countries it is slim to none. Almost as if we have too much time to think about being depressed instead of wondering when we will get our next meal.

Healthcare? I'm fine with complete and total reform. I hate the concept of insurance for healthcare as an unnecessary "man in the middle". As long as the government doesn't run it - I'm incredibly open minded. A for-profit can run a company at 1/10 the cost of what a government entity will take for it. Government is the perfect example of the joke "How many people does it take to screw in a light bulb?"

No, I don't care about your abortions. If you want to do immoral acts then by all means, I honestly don't care - especially when it can only help eliminate idiots from the gene pool.

Big pharma? I have to take an expensive medication that charges ~$2400 for a 90 day supply. Slap regulations on them, I'm all for it - but I want REGULATION, I don't want a government entity to be created to reform it.

Ask about anything else, I promise you that I (and plenty others that you deem right-winged on here) am more close to you on issues in life than you realize.

You are right wing because you, like them, ignore reality when convenient and take positions based on gut feeling instead of actual facts. Its why you just claimed that a for profit company can run a company for 1/10 the cost of what government can even though that's demonstrably false.

All you care about is numero uno and so long as you get yours you couldn't give less fucks about anyone else.

Enjoy your increasing drug prices, you deserve it, after all your band of merry idiots voted for the politicians that made it this way.

 

[ivwshane]

I appreciate there there are some right of center folks who are open-minded on the issue of healthcare but just look at the situation we are in. Mention some kind of easier access to healthcare reform to a right-winger and you will get outrage and called a commie, by anyone in Trumps base. Which happens to be the base of the Republican party now.

The ACA got passed, just barely. That was PRE Trump and the empowerment of the lunatic right. And look at the votes. NOT A SINGLE YES REPUBLICAN VOTE IN CONGRESS. Look at the parties that vote for what in regards to healthcare. And tell me that it's not just to make some sort of generalization about it.

He does what every Republican and right wing nut does, once something personally affects them, then they will support change.

 

[zerocool84]

It's part of a broad solution, and a highly symbolic one as well.

Mental healthcare? Sure. Let's see a bunch of conservatives get behind anything that makes any type of healthcare more readily available to the masses, on any kind of scale that will help prevent violence at all, let alone from troubled kids.

Hell will freeze over before right wingers do anything positive or productive with healthcare.

Speaking of popping pills, about the only thing I can see right wingers do is subsidize more popping of pills because big pharma, theyh loooooove big pharma.

Exactly, they keep saying they need mental health care but they don't want health care for everyone. You can't have it both ways.

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[Phokus]

Texas Lt. Gov. Says ‘Too Many Entrances’ Possibly To Blame In School Shooting

https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/997578209104420869

Wow! So guns don't kill people, too many entrances and exits kill people.

Has anyone ever thought that if you have an active shooter, more exits to flee from might be helpful?

Why wasn't there a good entrance with a gun?

Conservatives would go so far as making sure school were a prison with mandatory cavity searches for the kids before they would ever touch guns

 

[Vic]

If you Americans diverted even 1/10 of the "world police" fund and taking care of your own you all would be living better.

Stop electing politicians bent on pissing on the rest of the world.

This.

 

[Linux23]

This is what many people offer to express their empathy and compassion...your ridicule of these people speaks volumes about you....and not in a good way.

then you're too fucking stupid to understand that thoughts and prayers do not work, and that i'm too exhausted to debate with dumb fuckheads like yourself who can find a million excuses to not offer any ideas to contribute on how to keep our kids safe.

i have thoughts and prayers that you have a wonderful rest tonight. how does that make you feel now?

 

[JSt0rm]

ban doors!

 

[Linux23]

ban doors!

yep, and when that fails, what else can we ban other than sensible gun control, or an attempt at it?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I appreciate there there are some right of center folks who are open-minded on the issue of healthcare but just look at the situation we are in. Mention some kind of easier access to healthcare reform to a right-winger and you will get outrage and called a commie, by anyone in Trumps base. Which happens to be the base of the Republican party now.

The ACA got passed, just barely. That was PRE Trump and the empowerment of the lunatic right. And look at the votes. NOT A SINGLE YES REPUBLICAN VOTE IN CONGRESS. Look at the parties that vote for what in regards to healthcare. And tell me that it's not just to make some sort of generalization about it.

I work in accounting/consulting. When costs of A < costs of B, I will usually be for it - presuming that it has an overall better outcome of course. In the case of healthcare, I agree that further up-front costs will result in less costs down the line - such as preventative treatment and addressing mental health. I also agree, the insurance industry is a load of fucking shit. The fact that you literally have to argue with an insurance company whether or not they cover something is basically idiocy. It's like going up to someone and saying "Hey, do you want to pay my tab at the bar?"... Well, no, of fucking course I don't - And I will make you fight tooth and nail to try and get me to do such.

The ACA - admittedly wasn't exactly a step in the right direction. It had SOME promising things, such as 100% coverage for preventative care - but it still is under the guise of insurance companies (and hospitals) that lobbied the shit out of it to get what they wanted out of it. It didn't decrease the ridiculous costs - it just insured more people with ridiculous high deductibles that they can't even afford. The hospitals love it - they get to bill the insurance companies. Insurance companies love it, they get to increase rates to ensure they build a fat profit as they see fit - and if no one finds this acceptable then they get a tax penalty. We have a huge pile of shit in our current healthcare system, and ACA was essentially shoveling more dirt on top of it. It certainly didn't do anything to remove shit from the hill.

But do you want to know whom your biggest enemy is? It's not conservatives - it's actually your own faction. It's imbeciles like this - that are so partisan - so blind to their own ideology that they might as well wear blinders on 24/7. They don't seek to resolve issues but to try and silence anyone that disagrees. Their inept attitude on anyone that disagrees with them is so intoxicating - and if you keep morons like this as your front-and-center folks, no one will listen. Because you're represented by a fool, and a complete moron. It's basically the equivalent of Antifa - to which most reasonable people (conservatives and reasonable liberals a-like) should distance themselves from. Not once have I seen IW ever be reasonable on any topic of discussion. You might as well bring a complete moron to a debate. Below is a perfect example - no debate or discussion of a solution, just simply bickering.

You are right wing because you, like them, ignore reality when convenient and take positions based on gut feeling instead of actual facts. Its why you just claimed that a for profit company can run a company for 1/10 the cost of what government can even though that's demonstrably false.

All you care about is numero uno and so long as you get yours you couldn't give less fucks about anyone else.

Enjoy your increasing drug prices, you deserve it, after all your band of merry idiots voted for the politicians that made it this way.

 

[nutxo]

The glorification of these events will continue to encourage these little sissies. Stop putting this crap on the front page and watch the shootings stop.

 

[MrSquished]

I work in accounting/consulting. When costs of A < costs of B, I will usually be for it - presuming that it has an overall better outcome of course. In the case of healthcare, I agree that further up-front costs will result in less costs down the line - such as preventative treatment and addressing mental health. I also agree, the insurance industry is a load of fucking shit. The fact that you literally have to argue with an insurance company whether or not they cover something is basically idiocy. It's like going up to someone and saying "Hey, do you want to pay my tab at the bar?"... Well, no, of fucking course I don't - And I will make you fight tooth and nail to try and get me to do such.

The ACA - admittedly wasn't exactly a step in the right direction. It had SOME promising things, such as 100% coverage for preventative care - but it still is under the guise of insurance companies (and hospitals) that lobbied the shit out of it to get what they wanted out of it. It didn't decrease the ridiculous costs - it just insured more people with ridiculous high deductibles that they can't even afford. The hospitals love it - they get to bill the insurance companies. Insurance companies love it, they get to increase rates to ensure they build a fat profit as they see fit - and if no one finds this acceptable then they get a tax penalty. We have a huge pile of shit in our current healthcare system, and ACA was essentially shoveling more dirt on top of it. It certainly didn't do anything to remove shit from the hill.

But do you want to know whom your biggest enemy is? It's not conservatives - it's actually your own faction. It's imbeciles like this - that are so partisan - so blind to their own ideology that they might as well wear blinders on 24/7. They don't seek to resolve issues but to try and silence anyone that disagrees. Their inept attitude on anyone that disagrees with them is so intoxicating - and if you keep morons like this as your front-and-center folks, no one will listen. Because you're represented by a fool, and a complete moron. It's basically the equivalent of Antifa - to which most reasonable people (conservatives and reasonable liberals a-like) should distance themselves from. Not once have I seen IW ever be reasonable on any topic of discussion. You might as well bring a complete moron to a debate. Below is a perfect example - no debate or discussion of a solution, just simply bickering.

I'm really really sure that the enemy is in fact conservatives in our political system. The ACA didn't go far enough because it had to still court moderate dems. And it still barely passed. ON this issue, it's only progressives that have it right.

Your problem with the accounting thing is you are just putting dollar numbers on things as the be all end all when we are talking about lives. Not just of one person here or there but millions of lives, all at once. If your kid lost a job and lost coverage for a year and got ill, what price would you put on their ability to get healthcare? If we were going to talk dollars and cents it would be let them die unless you could pay out of your own pocket. Where does humanity come into the equation?

Universal insurance is the only way to do it without going to government run healthcare. Those are your two options. I'm going with universal insurance. for healthcare. MENTAL and physical. Try getting that past any conservative and let me know how it goes.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm really really sure that the enemy is in fact conservatives in our political system. The ACA didn't go far enough because it had to still court moderate dems. And it still barely passed. ON this issue, it's only progressives that have it right.

Your problem with the accounting thing is you are just putting dollar numbers on things as the be all end all when we are talking about lives. Not just of one person here or there but millions of lives, all at once. If your kid lost a job and lost coverage for a year and got ill, what price would you put on their ability to get healthcare? If we were going to talk dollars and cents it would be let them die unless you could pay out of your own pocket. Where does humanity come into the equation?

Universal insurance is the only way to do it without going to government run healthcare. Those are your two options. I'm going with universal insurance. for healthcare. MENTAL and physical. Try getting that past any conservative and let me know how it goes.

I believe that for any health care system to be successful (as in costs), be it single payer, private, or government ran, price controls have to be implemented across the board, doctors pay, drug, procedures, etc.

If conservatives want to keep the inefficient, private health care system that we have now, we could do it but price controls would have to be involved.

Either way, you know as well as I do, that is a non starter.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I'm really really sure that the enemy is in fact conservatives in our political system. The ACA didn't go far enough because it had to still court moderate dems. And it still barely passed. ON this issue, it's only progressives that have it right.

Your problem with the accounting thing is you are just putting dollar numbers on things as the be all end all when we are talking about lives. Not just of one person here or there but millions of lives, all at once. If your kid lost a job and lost coverage for a year and got ill, what price would you put on their ability to get healthcare? If we were going to talk dollars and cents it would be let them die unless you could pay out of your own pocket. Where does humanity come into the equation?

Universal insurance is the only way to do it without going to government run healthcare. Those are your two options. I'm going with universal insurance. for healthcare. MENTAL and physical. Try getting that past any conservative and let me know how it goes.

That's where you're wrong - because it IS about dollars. As far as whom is to blame, if you're squaring it on just conservative then that's just a lie - your very next sentence mentions how bickering amongst different lobbying democrats made you guys concede things.

As far as dollars - You're absolutely wrong, and I'm not sure if you're understanding what I'm saying, because I would think you would agree with it. Mental health for the country is incredibly preventative - which would overall result in much less expenditures. I'm sure if people in this country were more mentally healthy there would be:
1) Less obese people
2) Less depressed people
3) Less expensive drugs taken
4) Less abuse drugs taken (illegal ones, alcohol, etc...)
5) Less emergency room visits
6) Less school shootings, hell, less crime in general. We all know how much police/courts/criminal proceedings add up.


By all means, let's do like European countries and implement a VAT to pay for healthcare, I'm all for it. But you guys are typically the ones complaining about consumption taxes - well buckle up because the European countries you idolize pay for things with consumption VAT taxes - not income tax.

Also I'm not quite following you with the "let them die" narrative - considering hospitals cannot refuse emergency services? But to answer your overall question - Universal insurance - YES, I am all for it. Just do not run it via a government built entity. That's all I ask.

 

[ivwshane]

I work in accounting/consulting. When costs of A < costs of B, I will usually be for it - presuming that it has an overall better outcome of course. In the case of healthcare, I agree that further up-front costs will result in less costs down the line - such as preventative treatment and addressing mental health. I also agree, the insurance industry is a load of fucking shit. The fact that you literally have to argue with an insurance company whether or not they cover something is basically idiocy. It's like going up to someone and saying "Hey, do you want to pay my tab at the bar?"... Well, no, of fucking course I don't - And I will make you fight tooth and nail to try and get me to do such.

The ACA - admittedly wasn't exactly a step in the right direction. It had SOME promising things, such as 100% coverage for preventative care - but it still is under the guise of insurance companies (and hospitals) that lobbied the shit out of it to get what they wanted out of it. It didn't decrease the ridiculous costs - it just insured more people with ridiculous high deductibles that they can't even afford. The hospitals love it - they get to bill the insurance companies. Insurance companies love it, they get to increase rates to ensure they build a fat profit as they see fit - and if no one finds this acceptable then they get a tax penalty. We have a huge pile of shit in our current healthcare system, and ACA was essentially shoveling more dirt on top of it. It certainly didn't do anything to remove shit from the hill.

But do you want to know whom your biggest enemy is? It's not conservatives - it's actually your own faction. It's imbeciles like this - that are so partisan - so blind to their own ideology that they might as well wear blinders on 24/7. They don't seek to resolve issues but to try and silence anyone that disagrees. Their inept attitude on anyone that disagrees with them is so intoxicating - and if you keep morons like this as your front-and-center folks, no one will listen. Because you're represented by a fool, and a complete moron. It's basically the equivalent of Antifa - to which most reasonable people (conservatives and reasonable liberals a-like) should distance themselves from. Not once have I seen IW ever be reasonable on any topic of discussion. You might as well bring a complete moron to a debate. Below is a perfect example - no debate or discussion of a solution, just simply bickering.

Uh oh, a snowflake needs a safe space otherwise this guy on the internet isn't going to give you a solution to health care costs. Lol

Here's a hint, you can't have any sort of debate until everyone agrees what the facts and reality are. Go ahead and prove me wrong.