Another record profit for Apple

[Oyeve]

Samsung does not have that market cornered and it's flaws are obvious when you look at it.

The only flaw, imo, is no pure white. Other than that I love my sgs2 screen.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Drawings are nice, but is there a display that size with the increased resolution to keep the "Retina Display" tag? And can it be mass produced for release this year?

Don't know. But then again we didn't know anything about the iPhone 4 except the leak from Gizmodo. Without that leak, we wouldn't have anything about the Retina display until the release.

 

[ponyo]

Samsung does not have that market cornered and it's flaws are obvious when you look at it.

I just looked up the numbers again. It wasn't 95%. It is 90%. In what world does 90% not equal total market domination? Things can change but as it stands now, Samsung owns AMOLED market.

First line is Samsung.

 

[Dari]

I just looked up the numbers again. It wasn't 95%. It is 90%. In what world does 90% not equal total market domination? Things can change but as it stands now, Samsung owns AMOLED market.

First line is Samsung.

You said they have the market "cornered". The technology is out there and even Samsung licenses the OLED technology from other firms. It is far from cornered as others can start production if they chose. Also, the technology, based on what I've seen, has more work to do.

 

[manly]

Drawings are nice, but is there a display that size with the increased resolution to keep the "Retina Display" tag? And can it be mass produced for release this year?

I have no idea if there's a 3.8" LCD part ready to order. You can bet any components supplier wants to get in bed with Apple.

Eliminating the iPhone bezel on the current form factor gets you to about 3.8" tops; Apple wouldn't bump the QVGA resolution so the PPI would fall to about 300. Average user would never notice the decrease and if I recall the debate correctly, 300 PPI (and above) is arguably a "Retina Display".

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

I think Apple is more focused on doubling the pixel resolution of the iPad. Arguably (as in my opinion and opinions of others, so don't go crazy saying I'm trying to push this on people), the iPhone screen is the best one out there in terms of everything except size.

 

[Tom]

my real point is, y'all think the iphone will go to a bigger screen because that's the way to make it "better".

I am saying that is totally conventional thinking, which doesn't always, or even often, turn out to be the direction markets and desirability really go.

making something is bigger is a designer saying, 'I have no real skills, but maybe if we make it bigger, shinier, etc, it will fly.'

I'm saying that hasn't been apple's forte, so why would they start now ?

 

[QueBert]

2 years ago all I heard from people was "people want bigger screens on a cell phone, anything smaller than a 4" really won't do well" last year "non 4g/LTE phones suck, people don't want 3G phones anymore" I bet the next iPhone will have a 3.5" screen and possibly no 4G/LTE but it'll still be the best selling handset on the market. Maybe I'm in the minority but I love my 3.2" LG phone. I scratch my head at people who claim they can't read web pages on anything less than 4-4.5" my vision's not the best and on a 3.2" I can read shit perfectly

*shrug*

 

[postmortemIA]

2 years ago all I heard from people was "people want bigger screens on a cell phone, anything smaller than a 4" really won't do well" last year "non 4g/LTE phones suck, people don't want 3G phones anymore" I bet the next iPhone will have a 3.5" screen and possibly no 4G/LTE but it'll still be the best selling handset on the market. Maybe I'm in the minority but I love my 3.2" LG phone. I scratch my head at people who claim they can't read web pages on anything less than 4-4.5" my vision's not the best and on a 3.2" I can read shit perfectly

*shrug*

If I want 1280 pixels wide, it does me no good on 3.5" because text size is too small -high dots per inch. DPI number for iPhone 4S is really large, over 300, and it has to go even larger if they keep same size and increase resolution. It is so high that eye can no longer see pixels.
For example, two phones that have 1280x720 resolution, Rezound and Nexus, have higher or similar DPI, and they are 4.35" and 4.7" respectively.

 

[Tom]

If I want 1280 pixels wide, it does me no good on 3.5" because text size is too small -high dots per inch. DPI number for iPhone 4S is really large, over 300, and it has to go even larger if they keep same size and increase resolution. It is so high that eye can no longer see pixels.
For example, two phones that have 1280x720 resolution, Rezound and Nexus, have higher or similar DPI, and they are 4.35" and 4.7" respectively.

it is hard to look fly holding a small television up to your ear.

 

[Red Storm]

it is hard to look fly holding a small television up to your ear.

Instead of worrying about looking "fly" I worry about enjoying to look at content on my phone.

 

[Munky]

my real point is, y'all think the iphone will go to a bigger screen because that's the way to make it "better".

I am saying that is totally conventional thinking, which doesn't always, or even often, turn out to be the direction markets and desirability really go.

making something is bigger is a designer saying, 'I have no real skills, but maybe if we make it bigger, shinier, etc, it will fly.'

I'm saying that hasn't been apple's forte, so why would they start now ?

A bigger screen is better. Ask anyone using a large monitor if they'd ever go back to a smaller one - I definitely wouldn't, even if the smaller monitor had the same of slightly higher resolution.

 

[Patranus]

A bigger screen is better. Ask anyone using a large monitor if they'd ever go back to a smaller one - I definitely wouldn't, even if the smaller monitor had the same of slightly higher resolution.

You don't have to hold a monitor in your hand.

Apple probably spends more money than HTC, Samsung, and Motorola combined on usability focus groups. If a bigger screen was important, they would build a phone with a bigger screen. Due to the most recent sales figures, it is obvious that screen size isn't a high priority for the majority of consumers.

 

[Red Storm]

You don't have to hold a monitor in your hand.

Apple probably spends more money than HTC, Samsung, and Motorola combined on usability focus groups. If a bigger screen was important, they would build a phone with a bigger screen. Due to the most recent sales figures, it is obvious that screen size isn't a high priority for the majority of consumers.

I also don't have to zoom around on my Nexus when web browsing. And at handheld sizes, watching video on a screen that's over a full inch larger is a huge plus.

 

[trmiv]

This whole debate is going to seem silly when the next iPhone is 4". But then I'm sure that will be the "perfect" size.

 

[badb0y]

This whole debate is going to seem silly when the next iPhone is 4". But them I'm sure that will be the "perfect" size.

4 inches is the best size it was my favorite thing about the Atrix.

 

[manly]

You don't have to hold a monitor in your hand.

Apple probably spends more money than HTC, Samsung, and Motorola combined on usability focus groups. If a bigger screen was important, they would build a phone with a bigger screen. Due to the most recent sales figures, it is obvious that screen size isn't a high priority for the majority of consumers.

According to the Jobs biography, Apple doesn't spend a dime on focus groups.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Apple probably spends more money than HTC, Samsung, and Motorola combined on usability focus groups.

Funny thing about that, Apple doesn't believe in focus groups. It's the old adage, if you asked someone what they wanted in the first car, they would want a faster horse drawn buggy (or something to that effect).

 

[Oyeve]

According to the Jobs biography, Apple doesn't spend a dime on focus groups.

Hence the whole cult mentality.

 

[annomander]

Hence the whole cult mentality.

I don't know, reading these boards, Android fans seem to belong as much to a cult as the Mac fans. Its laughable the way one side trys to insult the other when their both as bad as each other.

 

[Mopetar]

According to the Jobs biography, Apple doesn't spend a dime on focus groups.

But they do spend plenty of money on other things. For example, before they built their first store they built a complete prototype inside of a warehouse so that they could extensively test out the experience and make changes. Earlier this week there was a story going around about how they have an 'unboxing room' so that they can test out their product packaging. Just because they don't use focus groups doesn't mean that they don't conduct usability studies or spend a lot of money to get their product design just right.

 

[Fire&Blood]

It's silly to discuss display sizes on a thread about Apple's record profits. Polls indicate majority of iphone users would like a bigger screen but the iphone is too hot not to compromise for that minor issue. Over a million people went to great lengths to get the iphone on T-Mobile and many switched carriers just to have it, a minor niggle about screen size won't stop them from buying iphone.

IOS ecosystem is more profitable than competition, ipad 2 has been selling itself pretty much all alone in the high margin/high end segment. The platform and apps are more mature, efficient and polished than Android, despite the latter closing the gap fast over the past year and a half or so.

A5 dominated 2011 on the hardware side and looks set to keep the lead until it successor is out. The closest competitor was Samsung with it's SGS2 all others faded into background.

I expected Android to have a stronger push with the hardware because it needed it to compensate for the raw OS and because all the major SoC houses were lined up vs. Apple on their home turf.

So far there has only been one serious challenger to Apple, no other came as close to putting a whole package together like as Samsung did with SGS2.

No telling how others will do this year but at least Samsung is all set to repeat last year's successes. That new Tab with the Exynos 5250 and the sick display/resolution combo will be priced like XOOM initially but unlike that pos, it will be worth it.

 

[theeedude]

It's silly to discuss display sizes on a thread about Apple's record profits. Polls indicate majority of iphone users would like a bigger screen but the iphone is too hot not to compromise for that minor issue. Over a million people went to great lengths to get the iphone on T-Mobile and many switched carriers just to have it, a minor niggle about screen size won't stop them from buying iphone.

IOS ecosystem is more profitable than competition, ipad 2 has been selling itself pretty much all alone in the high margin/high end segment. The platform and apps are more mature, efficient and polished than Android, despite the latter closing the gap fast over the past year and a half or so.

A5 dominated 2011 on the hardware side and looks set to keep the lead until it successor is out. The closest competitor was Samsung with it's SGS2 all others faded into background.

I expected Android to have a stronger push with the hardware because it needed it to compensate for the raw OS and because all the major SoC houses were lined up vs. Apple on their home turf.

So far there has only been one serious challenger to Apple, no other came as close to putting a whole package together like as Samsung did with SGS2.

No telling how others will do this year but at least Samsung is all set to repeat last year's successes. That new Tab with the Exynos 5250 and the sick display/resolution combo will be priced like XOOM initially but unlike that pos, it will be worth it.

Only if it has AMOLED retina display, and even then, Xoom priced tablets are a hard sell. SOC is not going to justify $600+pricing when tablet sweet spot is $300.

 

[Mopetar]

SOC is not going to justify $600+pricing when tablet sweet spot is $300.

I agree, even more so. SoC only carriers weight in tech forums and even then no one is going to buy something just for the CPU/GPU in the device. The average consumer only cares so far as the experience is good and the device isn't incredibly laggy or slow.